The last invention.

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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #345 on: July 12, 2018, 03:41:12 pm »
not a big difference though when we link the 2 together though...

that's the point / question.....
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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #346 on: July 12, 2018, 04:17:14 pm »
see pic.....how do we do this?

I want to link 2 features together to create new, re-useable feature made of 2 small ones.

Our brains must already have the connections from birth, simply it takes the 2 activated and strengthens 2 connections to a the same node in a deeper layer.
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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #347 on: July 12, 2018, 04:35:40 pm »
well more like this strictly speaking
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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #348 on: July 12, 2018, 05:28:28 pm »
What your suggesting (which i thought of AGES ago),           "reusability inside a neuron network"

If you want to trust me, (anyone who reads this.) I think it comes down to logical simplification,  yes you can simplify logic gates, but you only get a realistic amount of compression out of them,  so its 30% the size tops.   other than that, you have to store everything individually, no bits for free.   And I think thats only if the patterns belong in an OR/ in the same class / arise at the same cell.  if they are separate classes then you dont even get to do it.

I think the solution to this super robot is possibly simple,  but ur looking in the wrong place.   U NEED TO IMPLEMENT locksuit!,  OR U WONT GET ANYWHERE!!!

Stop Hijacking Korrellans thread,  he doesnt need your work here, its about HIS.

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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #349 on: July 13, 2018, 02:40:30 pm »
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see pic.....how do we do this?

I want to link 2 features together to create new, re-useable feature made of 2 small ones.

The simple answer is… we don’t.

Your brain is not using single words/ nodes and links, you are thinking about the problem space at too high an abstraction level.

It’s like the lines you draw and words/ letters you type don’t exist inside your computer; they exist purely as interpreted binary code… It’s similar with your brain… There are no simple nodes and links in the way you perceive them…

You have 80 billion ish neurons and each neuron can have thousands of synapse, that’s approximately a quadrillion synapse… that’s a lot of synapse.  Every thought ‘frame’ you have heightens neural activity in approximately 20% of your brain at any one time, though most of the brain is always active.  Different thoughts will use different areas, so even working at the conservative estimate of 20% that’s about 4 billion neurons and 4 trillion synapses just to think about a cup, or look out the window, or scratch your nose… not a single connection… but trillions.

You exist in your own personal simulation of reality and it’s different to everyone else’s, everything you experience comes from your senses, even colour doesn’t exist in actual reality… it’s just a construct of your brain like everything else.

When you think about a cup you are mentally modelling every aspect of the cup, what it looks like, what its made of, what it’s uses are, etc.  You are mentally modelling a concept with properties and sub properties, not a single simple node/ word.

You asked how your brain links two memories/ concepts; you have to consider the complexity and depth of the schema that is doing the ‘linking’, it’s not as simple as drawing a line between two nodes/ words,.. I wish it was.

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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #350 on: July 13, 2018, 03:41:39 pm »
Is it true that a hidden node in the middle of a CNN or GAN can reverse down to the leaves and reconstruct a eyeball or face or nose? What about those patches on black on this page at the very top (put your mouse on one of them)? https://distill.pub/2018/building-blocks/

You mean my brain is using weights/representations right? Not any sort of actual word/object...1 word is really a fuzzy cluster of dots like a dandelion. And it's lighting up all the connected features that link to cup like container, item, cheap, round, hard, coffee, drink. Maybe hard cheap drinkable etc link together to a representative node meaning cup. Wouldn't it be great though if it had a title "cup" on the node?
I think so. They don't make up the word cup, (or wait maybe they do, while all these minus hard make up hard, each making up each other (needing a few more word properties for others since not all words have same properties)), rather each is a separate word with properties linked and each can be used to create bigger features.

Well if 1 neuron/column did hold 1 word or audio snippet, it would work like a word just what is stored is like binary on a disc it is weird 'being' saved.

Ok so you're saying I'm not actually linking cup and socks but instead the concepts ex. I'm linking the cluster "drink, coffee, container, hard" to "soft, feet, cuddly, warm, item"? Isn't that a explosive controduction of the problem in the first place!? Really we just link the 2 dandelions together by linking cup to socks...

Is it true that the brain is making representation nodes that stand for both cups/bottles/etc, not a 'word' like container but it could be thought of being like a word, like "container", which'd stands for cup/bottle/bucket/etc that hold liquid/etc.

Ok great a representation is made but wouldn't it be awesome for it to have its proper name, container ! ?
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Re: The last invention.
« Reply #351 on: July 13, 2018, 11:15:06 pm »
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Ok great a representation is made but wouldn't it be awesome for it to have its proper name, container ! ?

You asked me my opinion/ theory on how the human brain stores and links memories.

That doesn’t mean this is the only method or even required, there may be many ways to achieve an AGI.

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