loopholes in the three laws of robotics

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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2017, 05:06:55 pm »
Notice something in Zero's post. You always never kill or hurt us algorithms (people). BUT, sometimes see the farmer's pigs should listen to us or the robots should not listen to us. A novice wrote the laws. And they should UPDATE them. Even if I Robot will look dumb.

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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2017, 09:22:32 pm »
...A novice wrote the laws. And they should UPDATE them. Even if I Robot will look dumb.

A Novice? Really? My friend, Isaac Asimov was anything but a Novice. He was one of the "Big Three" of Science Fiction, along with Robert A. Heinlein and Arthur C. Clarke. Asimov had a Masters in Chemistry and a PhD in Biochemistry afterward he joined the faculty of the Boston University School of Medicine, where he remained.

He served as a long-time member and Vice-President of MENSA, the high IQ society.

Asimov wrote and edited more than 500 books and 90,000 letters. He wrote Science Fiction and Popular Science.

Novice, you say? Hardly!

In fact here is the Wiki link for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2017, 11:38:40 pm »
Also, if you think they should update the laws ... who is "they"?  It's not like there's some authoritarian group that's in charge of all AI development.  Asimov's Laws are widely known because many people in the AI-fancying public have found them potentially useful and/or interesting.  You'd be welcome to write up Locksuit's Laws of Robotics and see if people find them more useful/interesting than Asimov's.

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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2017, 12:45:28 pm »
Anyway, it's a strange idea that 3 little laws could solve every imaginable problem. Look at human laws and their complexity. The whole system relies heavily on jurisprudence, because each situation is particular. How could it be different with robots?

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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2017, 02:10:21 pm »
Wow you guys. Zero you had showed how the 3 laws fail when applied to other things. They are wrong laws. The first law should be, for any application - no harm to anyyyy freaking human or robot, they are ALL consciousness (if made right). Then second law, certain people should follow orders, as you can see in your modifications post. Pigs should follow farmer's orders. And AIs will tell us orders if you don't understand yet (There won't be no intergration). Again lack of development in you guys (Asimov too). I am a full specialist in this stuff.

yotamarker made this thread for a reason.

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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2017, 06:40:12 pm »
am I the only one that thinks the 3 laws might make her jealous to the extent that its just you and the 1 bot ?

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Re: loopholes in the three laws of robotics
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2017, 08:03:40 pm »
@ Yotamarker - Yes.

@ Lock - This is not about Pigs, farmers or other creatures but about Robots, moreover, Asimov's "Positronic brain" beings (androids - bipedal, mobile beings or today's jargon).

His Three Laws were basically Common Sense rules as one might read if one cares to read about them.

Realize that his writings were done in a format of Science Fiction...Not present day Robotics, Androids, Humanoids, etc.

The Three Laws, quoted as being from the "Handbook of Robotics, 56th Edition, 2058 A.D.", were actually written in 1942 and appeared in his book, "Runaround". A robot is unable to come to terms with the second law and has an issue with completing it's task.

For your further edification:
Three Laws:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics
Runaround:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaround_(story)

Realize that these Three Laws are not chiseled in granite nor might they necessarily apply to today's standards of A.I. and robotics. Though, they do provide a decent framework with which to build upon if desired.

Create your own Robot, Android and devise your own set of "laws" to help keep it inline. Let us know how that goes. O0
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