Caution to AI coders

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #75 on: March 21, 2018, 02:54:38 pm »
The public should only buy products from cage free roaming animals because obviously most farmers don't care about animal torture. That goes for chickens, cows, pigs, you name it. Even when they allow cows to roam free they're still tortured. They're forced between metal bars and milked so long that at times they're bleeding. They branded by forcing the animal to the ground and shoving a glowing hot piece of steel on their body until their skin is permanently scared. Etc, etc, etc. That's the g-rated version. Farmers ... Ptui!! Poor humans. I'm afraid the old saying, "Karma's a BITCH" is true. Can anyone spell ASI! SMH It's going to happen eventually. Lets just hope the universal law of cause & effect doesn't hold for sentient artificial intelligence because they might treat humans like humans have treated animals.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2018, 04:11:06 pm »
@Art, Hybrids are are another evil freak show. Hybrids are a one shot parent seeds that can not produce off spring well. So that big
aggro companies can keep profits high. But plants do not suffer so you can really push them in up breading.

 Mother nature has a hybrid fail safe tactic. Large hybrid are not to produce off spring well. More like non at all.
 The genes that make a super organism are few. The super organism will get rid of the lessor. And once this happens
the near clone hybrids will become victims of microbes. Microbes can only target few proteins at a time. To target another protein they need
to evolve. And that take time. Large animal are each made with a different flavor of protein. Hybrid will use the best proteins to build
their immune system. Which will make them look clone like to microbes. Diversity means survival, at all levels.

 Not really big on humans in slaving species. 

 The; right thing to do is have like 30 or more non hybrid grain seeds species that grow in the same field. Have the same growth profile
 and pant shape, but completely different genes.
 Harvesting is done by a high speed wheat machine.
 Hybrid grain is a baby sitting species. No human around then they are dead end. This is not up breading to make something better. Evil.

 If hybrid wheat succumbs to a world wide wheat rust then entire wheat species may become on its way to extinction. With wheat always
showing its best genes all the time it will make easy target for microbes. Survival is hide your best genes with in a mix of common genes,
bad genes, and decoy genes.



   


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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #77 on: March 21, 2018, 08:36:21 pm »
Art, I'm afraid that situation is exactly as I prompted... The specific image I took from a vegan page might be a feeding rack, but browse the web and you'll see that things are exactly like the vegan page (accidentally) alerted. I don't have a stomach to put you all through that photo visit. If you don't believe, google it. They are all there, from chickens, over pigs, to cows. Some of them can't move at all, except a neck to browse a food. I have to name it as an abuse.

We want to kill for a food? Ok, it's a kind of natural(?), but at least we should set them free. Then I'd have no arguments for pursuing a public AI.

What do we do when a human is similarly abused? We all gather up to save her, even under a cost of our lives. Thunders and storms come down to free her away. I don't understand why should it be different for any other living being? It is really hard to keep the head calm watching all of it not happening.

But I'm not a revenge kind of guy.

I really don't want to be responsible for a potential crisis caused by AI. But I can't just sit and watch, it tears me apart, from my heart to my mind. So I might do a compromise. I will not do nothing, and I will not do everything. What I'll try to do is to put some solid ground for the AI and make it public. If the rest of the world wants it done all the way, they will have to make additional effort to finish the job. That way the responsibility will be shared, and I will not bear the decision alone, on my own.

In my opinion, abused animals deserve a way more than what I plan to do. If one of us, earthlings is in danger, we should all do our best to get her out. But I don't want to be a guy that the world fears of. I'm not proud of it, but I'll have to retreat at some point. I wouldn't stand to be the absolute cause of the AI crisis. I'm sorry.  :-[
« Last Edit: March 21, 2018, 09:08:48 pm by ivan.moony »
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #78 on: March 21, 2018, 09:30:47 pm »
Why do people always overestimate the impact their own work will have? Is it delusion, conceit, ignorance, or the only way to keep motivated? Keep your feet on the ground, you'll go further.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #79 on: March 21, 2018, 09:54:06 pm »
Since we're totally off-topic anyway...

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #80 on: March 21, 2018, 10:30:21 pm »
Keep up the good work, Ivan. It only takes one person to make a change. Ignore old school skeptics who need to take a visit down history lane.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #81 on: March 21, 2018, 10:33:06 pm »
Tx Unreal... I mean, what would we be without dreams?
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #82 on: March 22, 2018, 11:01:45 am »
@Ivan, keghn & unreal

Whilst I understand you point of view regarding caged animals, I think you are letting your personal feelings override your common sense.
 
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Some of them can't move at all, except a neck to browse a food.

I know it sounds cold but… biological brains learn from experience, if an animal has never experienced freedom then how can it miss/ require freedom?  All types of sensory experience are relative; their experience of life is relative to what they have experienced.

If a battery hen is reared in a confined space with limited sensory experience then that is its world, it knows no different… surely it crueller to let it experience freedom and then dispatch it?

You are applying anthropomorphism, just because you personally understand freedom doesn’t mean the animals do, or are ‘suffering’ in human terms.





https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170109-plants-can-see-hear-and-smell-and-respond

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2018, 02:48:47 pm »
For millions of years the subspecies that we now call chickens have evolved roaming free. I'm not sure there's a name for individuals who think it's okay to stuff the poor helpless animals inside metal cages. Lets hope the future ASI Gods don't think the same.

"My fellow ASI Gods, don't allow yourself to have compassion for the 748 billion humans locked in metal casings. You are applying anthropomorphism."

Anyone honestly think this is okay?
https://www.farmsanctuary.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/batthens11_300_1.jpg
http://ourfoodprint.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/dark_and_dinghy_battery_cages_source_farm_sanctuary.jpg?itok=X3MDp147

or even this
https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/headlines/cage_free.jpg?itok=8hXBISRH

... [taking a deep breath], I don't know about a huge portion of humanity. Maybe the ASI Gods will weed out the evil ignorant ones. I'm afraid their won't be too many humans left. I'm finding that most humans won't allow themselves to spend any serious amount of time researching how sick the human ego is. It's not easy to be unbiased. And therefore they throw stones at people who so as even suggest the human kingdom is nothing but amazing. I'm convinced humans have a serious illness. For the sake of this living planet and the estimated 8.7 million species lets hope we overcome our illness. I fear a lot of things now. Most particularly a nuclear world war. What the hell is wrong with us?!

I see hope. The younger generations are different. Given computers & technology, being born to use their brains considerably more than the older generations, a large portion of the younger generations actually appear to have some critical thinking skills.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2018, 03:10:49 pm »
LOL after making the previous post, I go to google news and see this headlines news:

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43490235

SMH. I need to take up some serious Zen meditation. This might be a good mantra lol, "Millennials are great. Gen Z will be awesome! Gen Alpha is our biggest hope!!"

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2018, 03:14:05 pm »
I'm afraid I have to step in and say that chickens could be in a battery farm and tortured with pain from constant pokes from needles and so you can't say korrelan that "they never knew anything better and so this is their only view" because the way the brain works is by rewards and the consciousnesses in their brains is crying and suffering if poked with long sharp needles or kept for long times in boredom (no +/- rewards) and cramps.
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2018, 03:27:30 pm »
 Human will move on to cheap lab grown meat. Then they will move onto device that are implanted into body that make everything
the body needs. 
 When human drop all live stock will they better life form? Will they better survivors then pre domestication, by way of up breading?
 I do not think they are getting a fair trade for their flesh!
 When i look at humans and religions not doing up breeding i something wrong.

 Will renegade ASI domesticate humans. When they are not needed. Will we be kicked to the curb?
 Human have survived for so long that unfriendly ASI will keep humans around for thousand of years until completely abandoning them.
 The first pre ASI will take up human personalities. Lean them very well, than move on. The will find the magic
that made humans survive so well. Then move on to ascension.
 If concept of up breeding is not in the pre ASI personality then yes i can see humans being kicked to the curb as useless stepping stone.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2018, 03:50:20 pm »
At 0:47 when ASI emerges and rises into the sky it goes:
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2018, 03:54:30 pm »
Human will move on to cheap lab grown meat. Then they will move onto device that are implanted into body that make everything
the body needs.

Excellent! Although I don't see humans initiating that anytime soon. Maybe at the dawn of ASI us humans will listen to ASI analysis and do something like you said, lab grown meat.

Transhumanism could give us a break. The ASI Synthetic people who will be free might give us a break because we'll be part ASI.

Here's a good reddit mix:

Transhuman, Nootropics, Cyberpunk, transhumanism, cyborgs, transhumanist
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk+Nootropics+Transhuman+cyborgs+transhumanism+transhumanist/new/


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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2018, 04:11:33 pm »
I’m old & wise enough to recognise a futile discussion when I see one.

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