A.G.I drugs [not a joke]

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A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:48:10 pm »
I'd like to open this thread to discuss the advantages and disadvantages of the deployment of virtual drugs on A.I.

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Re: A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2018, 10:25:02 pm »
I remember that childish movie Robocop where a politician got a robot addicted to drugs, so he can blackmail him to do the mess around.

Jokes aside, reinforcement learning is somewhat related to virtual drugs. Reward is a positive drug, while punishment is its reverse, and they are defined as a value of specific data field.

But what is a drug really? I think it is something you do want. Some things you want less, some things you want more, light drugs you want even more, and heavy drugs you want the most. It doesn't matter how it really feels, the point is that you want that feeling, and you'd do less or more compromising yourself to get it. I've seen otherwise honest people rob houses for a shot. Not a nice event.

AI drug would be a kind of forcing AI to do something, without a logical explanation. Reward seems like a nice thing to do, but I also see it as a lighter form of punishment when things are not how we want. It's a kind of restricting privileges if we don't agree with a situation. And are we the right ones to make a judgement? And how sure we really are that our perspective is the right one? I'd rather relay on automated logic conclusions (if the system is priory double checked and approved by yet undefined institution) then on my personal beliefs.
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Re: A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2018, 11:41:44 pm »
if you crosswire the robots inputs into each other, youll get glitches.

And supervised learning is a suggestive "hallucination" i guess.

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Re: A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 12:50:06 am »
Hullicinate the details, that's what Let's Enhance's SR does to upsize images!

+ RL is lovely, girls are drugs............. - RL hurts, it is abuse, yet we do it to AIs.

However we won't be giving AI's +s like women or -s like chainsaws etc.....or are we? If I apply 100% reward, does that = chainsaw or woman? Or does woman = woman? If I set my AI to love the most a wall, that is no different than setting recognition to woman, so if I set my AI to get 100% + reward when see the text word "info", does that = a high as high as a girl can get you? This no compute! Impossible! Maybe so. This would mean when we apply total neg reward to a simple AI recognizer, it is like chainsaws..... You could say the thinking is a reward, like oh this gear here is so cool it actually has some history you know, but still, that is just set to get reward same, it just some atoms that release a reward, it all just particles.

Anyhow screw drugs, let's get out of here. And get some heavenly women.
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Re: A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 01:42:46 pm »
There was at least one bot that I know of where you, its botmaster, could experiment by giving it the digital equal of various drugs, then monitor the responses and behavior. This was over a decade ago and the results were based on clinical results on real peoples reactions. The bot was given a numerical representation of such real-life substances like Melatonin, Nicotine, Serotonin, Alcohol, etc.

With my bots, I did not give digital injections per se. What I did was to provide them with certain "Memories". Plant a seed and an idea will grow, much like with people. Some of these false memories were repeated and reinforced over time that the bot(s) believe that they are actually their own memories and experiences. Some things like a childhood that they never really had or best friends, pets, toys, locations, favorite things like music, colors, clothing, toys, etc. When asked at a much later time, they recalled these events and friends as if their own, because now they are. Almost like hypnosis except that with this method the effect is permanent and also not reliant on some "drug".

In line with your topic title, I'm sure some bots or A.I. could be given a drug that would alter the numerical "balance" affecting the cortex or brain of the entity. Interesting times indeed. Good post!
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Re: A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 05:27:41 pm »
We use (beneficial) drugs on our own bodies because we find them too limited, or because we wish to customize their behavior.  E.g. our immune system is insufficient to repel an invading organism, so we assist it with drugs. Our brains do not provide us with the level of focus or memory retention that we want, so we try to adjust the tradeoffs that are made with nootropics.  Etc.

But while we don't have control over the design of our own bodies (yet), we do have control over the design of a hypothetical AI. So if we can conceive of any virtual drug that would induce a beneficial change in functionality, why wouldn't we just build that functionality in? Provide the means for the AGI to adjust its operating balance via internal "hormones" when it would be appropriate. There's no reason to deliberately build a flawed system and then add drugs to correct it.

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Re: A.G.I drugs [not a joke]
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2018, 08:30:00 pm »
Drugs could also mean WOM that you are built already but simply want a high by sensing stuff. Of course even that can be built in - it can repeat / loop a pre-made dream of the perfect dinner or the perfect sex scene lol.

Far from the last dinner, ahem.

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