Human v.2.0

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Human v.2.0
« on: September 09, 2012, 11:44:54 pm »
Interesting video for A.I. enthusiasts and Futurists from August of this year.

Of special interest to me was the segment near 26:45 or so...give or take.(the monkey experiment).

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Re: Human v.2.0
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2012, 08:48:00 pm »
Great documentary.

But  I can't believe de Garis saying about this loser Ted Kaczynski , "be thought of as a hero" ... very disappointing to hear from an AI guy.

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Re: Human v.2.0
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2012, 03:16:20 am »
I think his reference was about Ted's insistence that computers would ultimately be society's undoing (in the future). Perhaps he saw the writing on the wall to some extent, but I am, under no means, condoning what he did. Those were some very horrible, inhumane acts that he did under the guise of getting his point across.

For a supposedly intelligent man, he certainly acted as anything but!
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2012, 03:21:03 pm »
This is a crazy, smart, unfortunately, people like that are very dangerous. He despises, technology is a part, obviously worrying, a brilliant student who became insane, with its high capacity to know. strange story of this man, not man.

Attacks


Sketch of Theodore Kaczynski.
His first parcel bomb was sent in late May 1978 to Prof. Buckley Crist at Northwestern University. The package was found in a parking lot at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with, for return address, and that of Professor Crist sent to Professor E. J. Smith of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York. The package is returned to Crist. Taken before a suspicious package he never sent, it shall inform the campus police. A police officer named Terry Marker opened the package, which exploded; Marker has only minor injuries.
The attack in 1978 was followed by others against airlines, with the objective to blow up planes. At first, the bombs are the work of an amateur and cause little damage.
The first serious consequence occurs in 1985, when a graduate student at UC Berkeley lost four fingers and vision in one eye. The bomb was packed with the inscription "FC" - at this moment translates to "Fuck Computers" - which was later translated as "Freedom Club." The owner of a computer store California was killed by a nail and received shrapnel from a bomb left on a parking space in 1985. A similar attack against a computer store in Salt Lake City (Utah), Feb. 20, 1987.
After six years of inactivity, Kaczynski struck again in 1993, mailing a bomb to David Gelernter, a computer science professor at Yale University and developer of Linda, a programming system coordonné7. The same year, another bomb is the geneticist Charles Epstein. Kaczynski wrote a letter to the New York Times claiming for his "anarchist group" called FC, responsibility for the attacks.
In 1994, an advertisement was killed by another parcel bomb. In a letter, Kaczynski justified the killing by saying that the work of an ad is the development of techniques for manipulating people. Following the murder of the president of the Association of Forestry California, Gilbert Murray, in 1995.

Manifest and ideas

Kaczynski summarizes the four main principles he tried to defend his écrits9:
Technological progress leads to inevitable disaster.
Only the collapse of modern civilization can prevent disaster.
The political left is the first line of defense against the Company technological revolution.
What is needed is a new revolutionary movement dedicated to the eradication of technological society, and take steps to keep away all the leftists and others.
Kaczynski justified the violence of his actes10:
"In my humble opinion, the use of violence (eg against the realization of the utopia of a technological society inhuman), it is self-defense. Some may argue, of course. If you think it is immoral and inappropriate, then you should avoid ANY use of violence. But I have a question for you in this context: what kind of violence has caused the most damage in the history of mankind? The violence that was sanctioned by the state (society, civilization, ideology). Or violence which was used without penalty, by individuals. '
According to him, the industrial revolution necessarily leads to economic and political order increasingly binding destroys the wilderness, reduces individual freedom, transforms man cog in the technological system, and short-term destroy the human race itself.
"This system does not exist to satisfy human needs, and is not capable. Desires and behavior of men should actually be modified to meet the needs of this system. "
He concludes that it is all the modern technological society that must be defeated. He is well aware that such a sudden collapse plunge humanity into famine, and would be a disaster that would kill many people, but he concludes:
"We can not have the cake and the beurre11. '
The text, first published under threat, is then freely published either on the Internet or in France for example in book form in 1996, with a preface by Annie Le Brun, and in 1998 a new translation by the Editions of the Encyclopedia of Nuisances.
He said that reading the book has clarified his ideas hitherto confused and Technique is instinctive or Issue of the century.12 Ellul13 Jacques, 14.
In 2008, Kaczynski published his first book, The Collapse of the technological system, published by Xenia in Vevey, Switzerland. Published in English by the same issues as the Road to Revolution, is a compilation of all his writings, including the Manifesto, in their first full version, corrected and approved. According to the author, this version should now be authoritative.
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Re: Human v.2.0
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 04:28:49 pm »
I think his reference was about Ted's insistence that computers would ultimately be society's undoing (in the future). Perhaps he saw the writing on the wall to some extent, but I am, under no means, condoning what he did. Those were some very horrible, inhumane acts that he did under the guise of getting his point across.

For a supposedly intelligent man, he certainly acted as anything but!

No I know Art . . .just was a bit disappointing to hear even so .. and scary!

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2012, 10:43:30 pm »
Victor,

Yes, I'm sure you did and I wasn't aiming at you or anyone in particular nor was I defending Ted by any means.

The article was about "What is means to be Human".  I watched and accepted it for that. Sure history is filled
with all sorts of villans from Gengis Kahn, Jack the Ripper, Napoleon, Hitler and his various thugs, Dahmer, Son
of Sam, Zodiac, Custer and so many other really cruel individuals. Unfortunately we, as a society must often take
the good with the bad in terms of individual behavior(s). To be human means to have and display all of our talents,
wonderous abilities, emotions, ideas, sounds, etc., etc., some / many often very displeasing to others. We do not
all have the same view on the same subject yet some are unwilling to maintain an open mind or share an idea
without resorting to "bad behavior". Pity that!

For all the good attributes Humans have going for them, some will never have, share or enjoy those "human" moments.
Overall, I thought the video was quite interesting in spite of some of the content.
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Re: Human v.2.0
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 12:53:39 am »
Art, it is true that the title indicates, the question of the human. This is a topic very psychological. Another term more appropriate. To make a comparison, Hittler, was a monster. But many document shows Hittler in a single family, and subsequently, we know all about him. To join, intelligence, artificial, it again shows the complexity of the human brain and failure. :)
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Re: Human v.2.0
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 12:41:24 pm »
Overall, I thought the video was quite interesting in spite of some of the content.

Oh absolutely... it was a great post :)

 


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