<topic> <that> precedence

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2014, 04:26:02 am »
Um... Freddy? I think that particular bit of documentation is a bit out of date. You're allowed multiple wildcards within  the <topic> tag; they just aren't used that much "in the wild". Structurally, <pattern>, <that> and <topic> tags are all pretty much the same, with the sole notable exception that the <pattern> tag allows use of the <bot> tag as a sort of wildcard; and even that exception is rather limited. While the document you've referenced mentions "pattern-side AIML elements", it never denotes what they are. This document also mentions "pattern-side bot elements", but again no real details are forthcoming. I'm still scouring the net for other mentions of what is allowed within a <pattern> tag, but so far, no luck. Some of the documents I seek are at least 10 years old, so may not "exist" anymore. :(
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2014, 02:36:14 pm »
Thanks for the reply. Yes it's an old document, but it's about the best I have found so far.

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Structurally, <pattern>, <that> and <topic> tags are all pretty much the same..

OK so the <topic> can have more than one wild card. Is the wildcard precedence the same as <pattern> then ?

Like this ?  _ KEYWORD *

I'll see if I can find some more up to date texts.

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2014, 03:21:09 pm »
Wildcards behave exactly the same in all cases. It doesn't matter if it's in a <pattern>, <that> or <topic> tag. :)

I've been looking for better documentation as well, especially with regard to the GraphMaster. I know that there are some Power Point presentations floating around the net somewhere, but I have yet to locate them. Perhaps I should email Rich (AKA Dr. Richard Wallace) about this, and see if I can obtain the documentation directly. :)

BTW, speaking of the GraphMaster, I finally got the array structure I was looking for, but I haven't yet created a successful search algorithm. Still working on it, though. :)
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014, 03:38:14 pm »
Cheers Dave, I am glad the wildcards work the same. :)

Congrats on getting your structure right. :)

I got my search algorithm working okay. But I found a few odd things that I need to do in the GM (Graphmaster) building stage, like adding a * where there is no <topic> or <that>.  That confused me at first, but I believe that would mean only one search of the GM is needed. I was going to do three, but now that makes sense, so I am happy.

What we really could do with is a detailed run down (in the same manner as that old doc) for AIML 2. Then we would would have up-to-date information. There's some inconsistency in the information I have found so far.

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2014, 03:43:26 pm »
What we really could do with is a detailed run down (in the same manner as that old doc) for AIML 2. Then we would would have up-to-date information. There's some inconsistency in the information I have found so far.

lol I think that's the understatement of the year. :D

There is some fairly good documentation about AIML 2.0 that helps answer a lot of questions about the "new stuff", and helps clarify a lot of the "old stuff", as well. I'll see if I can locate the docs in question, and post links to them..
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2014, 03:52:21 pm »
Yeah I was holding back on that statement  ;D

It would be good to see those docs you mention, thanks  O0

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2014, 04:19:38 pm »
Well, here's the AIML 2.0 Working Draft for starters. As a bonus, the first thing in the document is a visual representation of part of an AIML GraphMaster (which, incidentally, has exactly the same structure that I came up with :) ). That should prove at least a little bit useful. :)
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2014, 04:49:36 pm »
Yeah it looks a lot like my GM too.

Thanks for the link Dave :)

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2014, 04:01:12 pm »
Hey, Freddy, can I 'swipe' your search algorithm? I'm having a bit of trouble with mine, and I want to compare it with yours, in hopes that I can see where mine is failing. :)
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2014, 04:10:17 pm »
Give me a couple more days and I will send you what I have.

I'm still doing some testing here, but it's been so hot that it's a bit of a grind sitting at the PC for long.

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2014, 04:10:59 pm »
I think the way I am building the GM is slightly different to the way you are doing it, but you might be able to adjust it.

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2014, 04:12:47 pm »
Take all the time you need, Mate. :) And not to worry about the structure. Doesn't matter how we get there, so long as we do. :D
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2014, 05:19:53 pm »
I had some time to look at this, it seems to be working okay so I have sent you a zip. :)

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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2014, 05:34:54 pm »
Got the file, but will have to wait till this evening to have a look. Off to run errands now. :)
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Re: <topic> <that> precedence
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2014, 11:48:54 am »
Any joy with the code I sent you Dave ?

 


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