Mitsuku Crash

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Mitsuku Crash
« on: January 14, 2015, 01:16:29 am »
While a few aidreams.co.uk members were discussing ANN here with pretty good results...

Reference http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7530.msg31403#msg31403



I decided to give the same exact input to Mitsuku, "Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM. Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?" for comparison.

Here is the entire response from Mitsuku to this single input, which includes a crash in the response output while trying to load a learning module:

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You: Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?
Mitsuku: He will be interviewed on CNN Thursday January 22nd at 9PM.

You: Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM.
Mitsuku: xloadswf3.http://www.square-bear.co.uk/mitsuku/learnxloadswf3. Someone called Bruce often visits me. I wonder if he is the same person?


For comparison, to support ALPHA testing, here is the entire response from ANN:

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Judge:
Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM.
Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?

Contestant:
Let me break it down:

You said: Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM.
You asked: Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?

My answer: INTERVIEW ON CNN THURSDAY JANUARY 22ND AT 9PM

It should be repeatable with Mitsuku using the following input, "Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM. Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?"

Despite the crash in the output, it seems Mitsuku may have learned, which is wonderful and should make this an interesting topic of discussion.  No further testing was conducted beyond the crash, so the developers may have the chance to debug Mitsuku after reading this report.

Perhaps it was not a crash!  Mitsuku may just be evolving.  Notice Mitsuku changed "Bruce Wilcox" to "He".


« Last Edit: January 14, 2015, 01:39:14 am by 8pla.net »
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2015, 09:40:52 am »
It wasn't a crash. The non flash version of Mitsuku displays a lot of internal workings that the flash interface hides.

From the Flash version:

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Human: Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM. Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?
Mitsuku:   He sounds like a fun person to know.       He will be interviewed on CNN Thursday January 22nd at 9PM. 

The non flash version is not as sophisticated as the flash version but still answered the question correctly.

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He will be interviewed on CNN Thursday January 22nd at 9PM.

Your bot produced:
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INTERVIEW ON CNN THURSDAY JANUARY 22ND AT 9PM

I was asked to write a non flash interface for users on apple products or those who simply didn't use flash and so the interface you used was just a quick something I put together for these users.
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2015, 02:17:50 am »
When a system fails suddenly that is
a crash by definition.  You might want
to take Bill Gates' advice,"If you can't
make it good, at least make it look good.
"

I wrote a patch which uses Regular
Expressions in JavaScript to remove
unwanted internal instructions from
the response, to at least make it look good. 

The Mitsuku clone project, based the
free Mitsuku AIML files and open source
Program-O AIML interpreter... Is the perfect
sandbox for this patch.  Check it out...

Reference: ADMIN LINK REMOVED

For demonstration, I temporarily added
a button. This way you can check the
patch is working.  Without a button, the
internal instruction never appears.

What do you think?

« Last Edit: January 17, 2015, 02:15:40 pm by Freddy »
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2015, 09:17:23 am »
The system didn't fail and dare I say it produced an answer which was better than the one that your bot did. It didn't crash, that's just the way it looks.

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What do you think?
I think we both know what I think about you setting up a website with Mitsuku's name on it when you knew in advance I didn't want you to do this.
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2015, 01:15:52 pm »
It seems bad practice to hijack fellow botmasters domain names.

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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2015, 01:37:48 pm »
What is a foot ?

It seems bad practice to hijack fellow botmasters domain names.
I have to agree with Freddy here, sorry 8Pla.

I also agree with Squarebear that Mitsuku did not crash, a crash is when a program or app no longer functions correctly and requires a restart, Mitsuku did not need to be restarted as it carried on functioning as intended by the botmaster. 

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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2015, 03:54:31 pm »
Agreed. The output was clearly designed for Flash, so if you use a non Flash interface what else would you expect ?

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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2015, 11:38:52 pm »
"If you have any AIML bots, please feel free to incorporate any of these files into your bots.
They are designed ideally for use with Pandorabots but should work in other AIML interpreters and should be easily convertible into other chatbot languages.
", quoted from http://mitsuku.com

Strictly for the purpose of reasonable, polite discussion only.  These AIML files are open source. There are no exceptions on chatbot names.  It says "any AIML bots,"
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2015, 01:27:53 pm »
You are more than welcome to use them in your own bots. No problem with that at all.
My issue is with the website name as you fully well know from chatbots.org

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You: What about registering a domain with your bot’s name?  Would you mind? 
Me: ...yes I would mind.

You also registered a domain with the name of Don Patrick's Arckon bot, remember?
http://www.arckon.com
Interested parties can read the full thread here where Tom uses both Mitsuku and Arckon knowing that we didn't want him to do so.
https://www.chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewthread/1530/P60/#17497

In fact, wasn't that one of the reasons you left chatbots.org?
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2015, 08:27:13 pm »
Please edit your post to respect my anonymity here on aidreams.co.uk.   Thank you.

Since you brought it up off topic:

You just quoted the fact that you had been asked first.

So, you would only mind IF you hadn't been asked first.

The entire quote:

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If I hadn’t been asked first and you knew full well that I had a bot with that name, yes I would mind.

In short, your response means, no you would not mind, since I had the courtesy to ask you first.

Arckon.com with the very creative advice of the fellow botmaster you referenced, is now a gothic rock site.

I suggest readers stay here on this new aidreams.co.uk thread. That old thread at: chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewreply/17566/ is closed. So you can't even give an opinion, or start a new thread on that subject.
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2015, 10:55:15 pm »
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If I hadn’t been asked first ....
You asked me and I said no.

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... and you knew full well that I had a bot with that name, yes I would mind.
You knew that I had a bot called Mitsuku.

I also said, "I WOULD mind and don’t want you to register any domain names with my bot." and you went ahead and did it anyway, showing absolutely no respect for my wishes. While I enjoy your AI experiments, I lost all respect for you after that.

Tom Joyce thinks it is ok to use Mitsuku's name in his sites but says I should show respect and not use his name. Tom, I will gladly edit or remove your name from the posts once you change your mitsuku site to either a holding page or an auto redirect to mitsuku.com

I don't see this being off topic as you asked me what I thought.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2015, 11:45:32 pm by squarebear »
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2015, 02:50:01 am »
Agreed. The output was clearly designed for Flash, so if you use a non Flash interface what else would you expect ?

Probably something like this, a non Flash interface at ADMIN LINK REMOVED

... redirect to mitsuku.com

Thanks for the suggestion, I just programmed some commands:

redirect to mitsuku.com
visit mitsuku.com
goto mitsuku.com

Reference: ADMIN LINK REMOVED

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« Last Edit: January 17, 2015, 02:14:53 pm by Freddy »
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2015, 01:26:59 pm »
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Which of the forum rules do you believe I have broken?

Sorry Tom but your interface of

and domain name of mitsuku.net (registered in 2014)
is far too similar to my interface of

and my domain name of mitsuku.com (registered in 2006) to be a coincidence.

This is a breach of copyright and unless it is removed, you leave me no option but to seek legal advice.
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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2015, 02:07:46 pm »
That's clear copyright violation.

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Re: Mitsuku Crash
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2015, 02:14:12 pm »

WARNING:  A moderator may be notified of anonymity violations at aidreams.co.uk

8pla.net,

There is no agreement here that ensures anonymity. We are what we are.

Having seen Steve's evidence and spoken to other people I sadly have to step in here. This is a first warning.

Please do not post further links to domains whose names you have hijacked from others. As somewhat of an outsider in this story until now, it seems to me that you are exploiting Steve's hard work and success. If you want to gets hits, then make your own bot and win a few competitions, don't cash in on other's success.

I will now be removing links to your Mitsuku domain from this thread.

It would be a shame to lose you as we have had a series of good discussions going on over the past few months. Why you should do something like this is beyond me and others too.

Steve made it crystal clear that he did not want you to use that domain name. Others think so too. You did nothing but bend his words to suit yourself. And now with this clear copy of the Mitsuku interface, well you have put me in a corner and you only have yourself to blame.

 

 


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