[Ultron]

I wasn't exactly sure how to put the title - 'matrix' may not be so suitable but I always strive for a title of max. 4 words if possible. Anyhow...


http://medicalxpress.com/news/2015-02-brain-decision-making-hierarchically.html


It is good to see how well our understanding of our brain is improving. The field of A.I. is not going anywhere until we get to the bottom of our own intelligence.

[ivan.moony]

I hope that those electrodes poked into rats' brains didn't hurt as much as I imagine. I feel sad. So sad. I could be that rat. Anyone could. Science is a bitch sometimes. I could live more happily without this knowledge, knowing that we behave as humans, not as ... I don't even have a word for this behavior... to poke some sharp electrodes in someone's brain... I feel sad and ashamed for being a human. Sorry, I have to say it, I disagree with those scientists' methods. I want us to be humans in the real meaning of that word. World, am I asking too much?

[Art]

Sorry but in the real world, Human and humane are not necessarily related nor equal in all instances.

I think it's simply illegal to poke things into human brains in order to absolutely obtain results and computer models are not always accurate nor are they always able to predict proper outcomes.

I am NOT a vegan nor a vegetarian nor do I dislike anyone who practices either of those. I do love living things and do not willingly kill any living creatures unless my life or my loved one's lives are absolutely threatened. Then all bets are off!

Through experimentation on rats, vermin, etc., new drugs, techniques, products can and are being developed for the betterment of mankind!
Eventually such use may eventually be curtailed when and if enough benchmarks have been collected and established for each malady.

So yes, perhaps it's better if you simply don't think of such things or if you do, remember that it's for the greater good.

[ivan.moony]

Let's say if some aliens, thousand times more developed than humans, for a sake of the greater good would make experiments on... oh, forget it... it seems i'm asking too much

[Ultron]

Well the topic and discussion was intended for discussing our brain's way of function of structure, but if you took out the 'poor rats' story from it fine, I'll hop in...

It would not be natural if an organism would slow down or even block it's progress just because of another living creature - nature and life is all about the survival of the fittest, or as some would say the most adaptable or 'strongest' organisms. This is also manifested in the food chain we are a part of.

And I don't think it's more 'human' or 'humane' to experiment on organisms of your own species rather then a 'lesser lifeform' (not my words, just proving a point - I actually think very highly of these creatures) such as a rat.

Also, if a more advanced race of aliens comes (or maybe it has already been here?) and conducts experiments on us, I would understand (but not necessarily give in without a fight). This is also, natural. In this case, the aliens would be challenging us to a sort of 'duel' which if we loose, then we are simply not worthy of being a part of this universe.

You can also look at all of this is a filter - only the good and high quality stuff goes through.

[ivan.moony]

Sorry, compassionate me strongly objects. Long live mouses and other beings. Including plants and microbes.

P.S.
I'm sorry a million times and more for me murdering or torturing any being.

P.P.S.
If someone asks, I should die at once, no delay, but I am not that much hot being, so shame on me, sorry, my guilt.

[Ultron]

Well, there is something we can all agree on... It would both save animals and not waste the lives of any intelligent creatures...







Edit: I also have a solution to the possible issue of them not wanting to collaborate - give them the agony of a false belief that they will be freed if they prove useful (they should not be freed, of course).

[Art]

Sorry about your mouses but tiny fleas and rodents (mice and rats), helped cater in the Black Death, in the 1300's, that nearly wiped out a third (20-30 million) of the population of Europe (and some of my ancestors too).

 Historically, plague destroyed entire civilizations. In the mid-1800s, it killed 12 million people in China. Today, thanks to better living conditions, antibiotics, and improved sanitation, current World Health Organization statistics show there were only 2,118 cases in 2003 worldwide.

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 I recall reading something similar to this hierarchical level of decision making before. It determined that each section doesn't handle everything alone but rather works in conjunction with other areas of the brain, which is as an efficient office is supposed to.

Hopefully chatbots and other AI are building upon this same principle.

[ivan.moony]

You will always find a way to put people in the front of the other species.

I give up.

[Ultron]

Moony, I respect yours and other's compassion towards animals and I believe it helps provide a balance in the society that prevents their extinction. I too, sometimes feel very bad for animals, specially if they are kicked around with no reason such as dogs, however I guess I have accepted killing and eating them as natural however not torturing them as that is not seen in nature.

Back to A.I. Now that you mentioned it Art, I guess it reminds me of a Beowulf cluster computer - master and slave nodes (neurons?).

[Art]

I know not what your religion might be nor if you have one and I am not a religious person, even though I was provided an early opportunity to study and learn about it as a youth.
From the Bible it states as I was taught from at least these two passages on which most Christians have built a foundation (the key word is Dominion or Rule):

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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Moony - this is my personal take and it is not meant as a personal attack by any means. There are and will always be two sides to every belief and story. You are a free spirit to choose and believe as you see fit. What we humans should be is tolerant of beliefs and points of views of others, whether said views differ vastly from our own or not. Be well, my friend!

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@ Ultron -
Yes and a sometimes used variant is shared nodes between linked computers. Not as good as a supercomputer but way faster than an ordinary computer. I like to think of "collective processing" sort of like what SETI has done over the years. Thousands of users scanning various data and while these users are not working on exactly the same thing at the same time, they are combining efforts in accelerating the overall scanning time it would otherwise have taken to accomplish the same result. A thousand computers scanning for one year instead of one computer scanning for a thousand years. There are also "Render Farms" using hundreds of computers to render graphics in movies and animations where it would have taken one computer a great length of time to do the same task.

The beowulf is a somewhat scaled down version of this example. The power of parallel processing is extremely useful especially for testing and modeling.

[ivan.moony]

@Art
I admit, sometimes I get carried away, but mostly because I'm more mad at myself than at the others. There are some issues in my life that I find frustrating and I'm sorry if I loose temper sometimes. I'm aware that behind the most of actions stands a good will to help the others, but sometimes... I'd rather be dead than accept some specific kind of help, I hope you understand me.

Nevertheless, I should be more tolerable and understandable and I shouldn't nag about every thing I find uncomfortable, but it is hard to keep a sane mind in this world. Maybe the fact that I'm also a sinner could help to keep a cold head, I'll try not to forget it.

Anyway, I'll try to stand down with my "altruistic" issues and keep a track on the AiDreams forum subject (being AI, technology, or a friendly chitchat) only where I find myself comfortable with.

[Ultron]

@Art
 Well, I am having a hard time making a distinction and remembering all different cluster types but you got my point and I got yours.

@Everyone
 Take some time to relax with this video and restore a bit of faith in your species:

http://skeleton-love.diply.com/auntyacid/kissing-skeletons-love-has-no-labels/101140