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If you had a technology, would you create a child Universe within this Universe we know about? (with life, matter, and all the other wonders we see around us)

:) Yes, of course!
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A child Universe?

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A child Universe?
« on: May 22, 2020, 05:14:02 PM »
In other words, do you think this Universe would strive to reproduce if it had an opportunity?

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Maybe we should firstly find out how to ask the very Universe such a question.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2020, 06:02:41 PM by ivan.moony »
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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2020, 06:04:14 PM »
Do you consider the Universe... Sentient?

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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2020, 06:54:01 PM »
It looks like our universe would just keep flying apart and reigniting itself. Though that would seem to break the rule of energy being uncreatable and indestructible.  Maybe matter can only have energy in relation to other bits of matter; you need two masses for gravitational potential energy. Maybe if galaxies, solar systems, planets, electrons, nuclei, protons, neutrons, and quarks separate, their shared energy goes back into space, until it reaches critical energy density which spawns a new matter. Maybe the first bit of new matter in an empty, energy dense field acts as a catalyst, whoosh. Maybe only universes with laws allowing such reproduction stick around to populate their substrate. I guess these systems could reproduce and get more reliable at it through their version of natural selection.   

If our universe is a simulation itself, its interesting that the simulators seem to have started it off with the big bang. Maybe an indication of the limitations of creating something so complex. Though I’m skeptical about simulation theory, each iteration would shrink in some way, so you could only have a limited number of them. They would die off as the original universe died and reignited* itself, (going of the notion that most universes do this, because they are the ones that have stuck around). Since the original universes should be richer in materials, because simulations have to leave things out, the originals seem like they would have more opportunities for life. Therefore, maybe its actually more probable for most life to reside on the ground floor of reality, in the same way that more life forms get their energy form the sun, than there are organisms which get their energy form those life forms.

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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2020, 07:20:40 PM »
@K:
Do you consider the Universe... Sentient?

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I couldn't tell without a scientific proof. What do you think?
 
As Tyrell said to Roy... What's on your mind... Ivan...

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This Italian coffee is kicking in my brains :eyemouth: Maybe some new project is pending... Wanted to check what you guys say upstairs.

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How about two parallel Universes, one ruling the other, and they interchange every few eons?
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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2020, 07:55:31 PM »
I selected Yes, because I want VR, a perfect life and replays, huge homes, meals, etc etc.

Would I do it just cus? No. I want survival. I want data. Simulations do help us collect more data. So do alien DNA harvesting. Like monkeys in cages, experimented on. But I don't know how far you'd go :) Hurry! Nebula 56XT45 is approaching, run the sim on humans to see what they would do!
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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2020, 09:29:29 PM »
Italian coffee, nice. You reminded me! I should get some coffee, pretty much its always a good time for coffee for me  :D

How about two parallel Universes, one ruling the other, and they interchange every few eons?

Well there is dark matter/energy, it could be traces of another universe somehow manifesting in ours. Maybe it is reversed in polarity, so our matter wants to clump together due to gravity, but the parallel universe’s version of gravity wants to push our matter apart. Then these could function symbiotically by supplying each other with useful properties. Though it might require an extra dimension for them to both inhabit, and end up and stuck together due to reversed polarity.

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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 09:55:07 PM »
Well there is dark matter/energy, it could be traces of another universe somehow manifesting in ours. Maybe it is reversed in polarity, so our matter wants to clump together due to gravity, but the parallel universe%u2019s version of gravity wants to push our matter apart. Then these could function symbiotically by supplying each other with useful properties. Though it might require an extra dimension for them to both inhabit, and end up and stuck together due to reversed polarity.

That could be on deeper levels. On shallower levels, as a part of the same fractal structure, two great galaxies may be crushing against each other in a glorious gravitational interplay, producing hundreds of smaller galaxies, each being able to host different forms of life in the future... Man... For these kinds of conversations, maybe we should have here an 18+ explicit forum section...

Any ideas for black holes, or is it too much to ask?
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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2020, 09:56:45 PM »
Giving a gift may be more exciting than getting but then that itself is receiving a gift - giving one. And both are needed, like a magnet's poles. What goes in must come out!

Happiness cannot be defined, you can like anything, in complete safety if done in VR. Flowers. Roof tops. Money. Men. Lava. Frogs. Atoms. Jogging. Gods. What we like is food and reproduction and shelter/etc a bit lesser because they keep us alive by spreading us and protecting us and repairing us. Survival. There is less room for liking huge bath tubs, but in the future nanobot planet it can easily efficiently be dreamt and will be done but not as often. Usually repairing the hive will be the new/improved happy thing that they "want to do"...it's just physics's goals/wants... If you don't want an explainable physics and want Free Will etc then you are looking at randomness, which is not magic orbs either, but maximally variableness.

If the universe duplicates more universes with mutations (room for improvement), this is like Evolution, some die and become new forms, some live longer. We don't control it unless we run simulations in boxes. But then that is just data duplication, not universe creating. Though it can seem like it...
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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2020, 10:32:35 PM »
We don't control it unless we run simulations in boxes. But then that is just data duplication, not universe creating. Though it can seem like it...

Those simulation boxes might be of my interest (whatever happens inside them), reading the current poll results. The rest is beyond the current technology, as far as I know.
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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2020, 11:21:40 PM »
Man... For these kinds of conversations, maybe we should have here an 18+ explicit forum section...

Yeah way too much talk of reproductive big bangs for AI forum guidelines lol.

Any ideas for black holes, or is it too much to ask?

I haven’t the faintest about black holes, spooky… Though I find it reliving that they evaporate over time, …even though there is no time inside. It is also a relief that they “remember” all particles they have eaten and evaporate them back into the regular space time. Maybe matter is made of tougher stuff than we imagine, and it survives somehow, maybe it has no time in which to be destroyed. 

But yes, some kind of coherent yet simplified universal simulation is a great project. We need a suitable world for testing out various ideas, and running experiments in a less costly manner, time and money wise..

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Re: A child Universe?
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2020, 03:11:08 AM »
I selected Yes, because I want VR, a perfect life and replays, huge homes, meals, etc etc.

Would I do it just cus? No. I want survival. I want data. Simulations do help us collect more data. So do alien DNA harvesting. Like monkeys in cages, experimented on. But I don't know how far you'd go :) Hurry! Nebula 56XT45 is approaching, run the sim on humans to see what they would do!

How do you know that you're (we're) not already part of a very grand experiment that has been playing out for eons? Perhaps the is Earth 6.0 or more or less. The energy that is expended doesn't have to stay here on Earth? The matter created/destroyed thing...nope...it can travel elsewhere in this cosmos and is never destroyed nor created.

The VR you envision might just be part of this huge simulation we're all experiencing at this moment. Some wake up...some never do.

One day it might be known to us...or maybe not. Nothing lasts forever!
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