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Games => Gaming => Topic started by: GamerThom on July 22, 2007, 04:28:45 pm
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We can all only hope that rockershaft and Ricky never get
their bots "Julia" and "Virgiliscool" into a convo with each other. :o ::)
BTW.........I won't be on forum much for awhile. I've decided to explore all
the debauchery that's to be had in Second Life. Seems that two-thirds of the
business going on there has to do with sex. They even have virtual prostitutes. :o
Just kidding, I'm watching vrossi as he sets up his new virtual office there and
trying to get his AIML based chat cat and cow programmed and working. ;D
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lol you off to second life, pale off to kaneva...whats the world coming too.
On a serious note, is life really that crappy that we have a need for these 'virtual lives' ? Have these worlds arrived based on our need for them or their need for us I wonder?
I will admit, without the internet, my life would be nothing, is that sad or just a case of what the modern world is/has become?
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I can only speak for myself on that count Mav. For me, I have found that it momentarily, while there,
takes my mind off the pain I have endured on a daily basis for going on 10 years now and allows me
to do things in a virtual body which my own paralyzed body is not capable of anymore. It seems that
some of the activities being indulged in there are a little more prolific and out in the open, but then
again no one is being killed there either. It will never, I am sure, take the place of reality but it does
make for an interesting diversion.
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Hmmm interesting point bro.
Can understand your perspective, and it makes a lot of sense.
But as for 'taking the place of reality', we can do things in the virtual world we would/could never do in real life, its another place so to speak. As as humanity only drags ityself further it the swamps, does it not make sense to almost want ti to take the place of reality. Its the same with games, if I was ever able to/given the choice etc, I would much rather live out my days in a game world than in the real world if that makes sense.
But as you say (with Second Life), no one is hurt, killed etc, so what is the harm. You either choose to consent to an activity or you dont. Its really as simple as that isnt it?
Real life is not always, unfortunatly, that black and white is it.
For me though, long may they continue providing the cost is proportionate to what you want to do. I took a look at Kaneva, while interesting and similar in concept to Second Life it all looked rather basic to me if you are not prepared to put your hand into your pocket to cough up for 'credits'.
Maybe this is something they can possibly look at in the future to make it a little more accessable to the masses?
Let us know how you get on though, never know, might come join you heh.
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I don't think things like SL are a replacement to life, I tend to feel they are more supplementary. I could find plenty to do in real life and never touch a computer again, but at this point in time I am finding new developments in computing to be very interesting so I choose to spend a lot of time on it. Who knows, in a few years I may tire of it all.
I wasn't much impressed by SL, but I am thinking of going back to take another look as I now have a better graphics card. My main problem with it was it was slow and jerky. Also I was thinking of a virtual career in SL designing products and things. Some people make enough to live on and more in SL.
On Kaneva...I thought the same as you Mav, it seemed empty and vacuous with little to interest me - maybe I should give it some more time though. In time I guess that will change as more people populate it.
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And would that be a virtual tax free career there Freddy hehe ;)
But yes, amazing as it sounds, you are right. Makes you wonder, with all of our combined talents here, surely we can can do something?
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Actually there's quite a bit you can do in SL which cost's nothing. The only exception's are if you want to
have a home there. If you don't mind being homeless and don't want to go shopping for virtual goods which
you really can't use anyway, then you don't have to have money. I'm happy doing nothing there except walking
around, watching what goes on and interacting with people without being asked a lot of annoying questions
about my disability or strange looks because I'm a 45 yr old man strapped into a motorized wheelchair.
vrossi has been exploring SL for almost a year now and has decided to set up a virtual extension of his consulting office there.
I may decide at some point to buy into that world and start up a little virtual gallery. I'm not sure right now how far I am
willing to or can afford to take it.
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Hmm. maybe we should check it out and see what we can do. I do like the idea of designing things for people to buy - finally maybe I could make some money out of my passtime. I have no idea where to start with making stuff though.
If we all got together to work on this collectively then I am sure we could all benefit from it in some way.
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heh while were on the subject found this...
Linden Dollar vs US Dollar
267.1 L$/USD as of 8:45am PDT
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They have tutorials available on how to design things for use and sale in SL. But you can also make
things for sale there that could be used by the real world. Avatar meshes and all sorts of items for
use in graphics programs.
Yes, as of this morning $5 US would buy you $1040 Linden dollars. They are linked to the currency
exchange, so the market value fluctuates just as with any other currency.
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Just to let you know I split this topic up as we were going elsewhere with it...
Anyone in then? Let's track down some tutorials ?
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Theres a good tute on the main site....
And on that...dl it now to give it a more thorough look over....
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First off you have to register as a basic member and go through orientation, which for a couple of old gamer's
like yourselves shouldn't be too difficult. Hell, I manage and I only have the use of one hand. ;)
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Ok my friend - I am installing now and will let you know whats going on...brb
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Lol Gamer...
Ok installed...creating account now...you want to meet us somehwere and show us noobs the ropes lmao.
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After you and Mav get through the orientation, you can run a search for me under the name GamerThom Tomsen and
then send me an IM there and I'll teleport you over to where I am, which will probably be VRossi's office. Or I might be
having a look round one of the sex palace's. :o ;) ;D
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Hmmm...sex palace sounds more interesting than VRossi's office...or is that just me lmao...on my way bud...
Will msg you when in.
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Sorry to leave you guys. I'm out dancing. ;D
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you little devil you. i hope you dance the night away.. well maybe not all night!!!
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There are several German ladies here trying to take me apart. :o
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Hehehe..you bad boy!
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i have bought many lindens and they change rates constantly.
i buy on ebay so check it out and go for whichever dealer gives you the most per dollar on a paypal buy it now account
i use pvpmax and cresson82
thay are reliable sellers who put the money in your account right away.
when you buy land depending on if you buy mainland or island you have to pay a tier or a tax fee monthly mainland will charge your sl account usually but island will come the day you purchase and give you 2 days to pay the teier in lindens or us currency. this has been my experience anyway
if you do not own land you cannot drop items or find out what is in a box you may have bought
i have seen peeps running around with cars attached to them because they dont have anywhere to drop them
but either way you do not need money or membership to enjoy sl
it cn all be had for free if you have computer~~alady
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Thanks for the advice alady :)
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That was definitely different. Virtual dancing and dirty dancing at that. :o ;D
I think Vit has lost his dance partner. ;)
Guess I wasn't far off when I made that new avatar and put it on here.
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Lol you bad boy Gamer ;D
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Well Mav, How did you like your first excursion into SL fantasy land? ::)
What video game has cute little foreign chicks who only want to have fun? ;D
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Now Jack, if you read this. Don't you go telling Dee what I'm doing.
She's under the impreesion I only flirt with her. ;) ;D
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when i saw gamer he was having way too much fun but i was glad to see him out and about and HAVING fun...mav and freddy you guys cracked me up. mav was really trying to analyze it all and figure out what the heck he was doing there and freddys hair is da bomb red and black and white. too much fun for all see you soon in sl.!! ;D
here is everyone in vittorio rossi's office mav has the long poytail and freddy is the one with the red in the hair. vit is facing the group, and gamertom is the big guy in the brown shirt, prior to his german intervention.
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Thanks for the pic alady. I enjoyed SL this time a lot more because there were people around who I know. Previously I was wandering around on my own totally clueless.
I still think the graphics need improving but I am spoilt because I (and Mav too) play hi-res modern games which have beautiful graphics. Even so I still liked it. Maybe we can make some nice things for it like clothes and buildings, I hope we do.
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What do you mean by "Way too much fun"?
I thought I was helping out Vit. I had no idea
that he didn't know the girl. ::)
Next time I'm there, I get to dance with you like that ~alady. :o ;)
I forgot to tell this part. While communicating with the young lady in question,
I learned that she is crippled/disabled. She suffers from Juvenile Rheumatoid
Arthritis. From having had a friend with it, I can say that it is a very disabling
as well as painful disease which deforms the joints and in advanced stages
makes it almost impossible for the person to get around. I learned this from
her before I asked her to go dancing.
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I tried SL but got the blue screen after running it twice so I went to Kaneva , Which I am having a great time
If anybody is on there my screen name is guardianangelcanada, enjoy. ;D
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Strange how SL isn't working on your system...does it have an up to date graphics card?
I still have Kaneva installed and will pay it another visit, hope to see you there..
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PaleRider is running SL on a laptop. The graphics chipset on it is probably integrated
and not powerful enough for something like SL due to the problem of shared memory. :(
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Ahh the old integrated graphics ploy...shame.
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Well whilst I had fun (with there being others around I knew) I was very let down by the overall quality.
As Freddy stated, when you come from graphics from some of the games I am used to playing etc, and which also have massive online communities, I have to say the graphical side of SL is very very 90's in its look and feel. The graphics I find to be glitchy, buggy and not on a par with similar things released years ago.
Now onto pales problems, I'm running a 3.2ghx Pentium, Nvidia 6800gt gfx card, and almost 2gig of ram and Sl runs attrocious for me ?
I have now had 3 crashes and numerous freezes for it to be anything but enjoyable and something I would spend a lot of time on.
I will push on though, I want to at least get some decent threads before I make any final decisions regarding it ;D
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Ok installing Kaneva now, may as well try this one out while I'm at.
Ok, after double clicking the exe file it now wants to self update...344 updates to be exact at 243.7mb and at 180 minutes >:(
Not a very impressive start...almost 3 hours to update just over 300mb ???
Will post again once inside and I've had a look around.
Paul, if your about, my name is Kyuzo, will look out for you.
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Ok...
3 time-outs and 3 hours later...I'm finally updated..
I'm a goin in :o
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So how's Kaneva look?
I've heard it's just a big chat-party central.
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Yeah I tend to think Kaneva is more of an advanced chat system with networking features, rather than a virtual world, but to be honest I haven't taken much of a look around yet. A virtual world to me has to have a lot more content and things going on. I suppose they hope a lot of gamers will be drawn into this as a chat system, but from a purely gaming viewpoint I wouldn't rate it very highly. If you want gaming action then you would be better off buying up an old copy of something like Neverwinter Nights, where you actually have something to do as well as chat if you want.
The graphics run a lot smoother than SL though but they are around the same level of quality - think Grand Theft Auto period, possibly a bit better. Maybe if they let us shoot each other and drive around in Ferrari's it might be more fun. In their promotional videos they say they tried to keep things simple...I asume they researched their market but 'simple' isn't necessarily better. SL seems to offer more in the way of modifications and things to do and make.
I'll try to see it for what it is and stop drawing game world parallels as I think that may be a better approach. So far I have a glimmer of interest in it, maybe that will grow.
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I spent about an hour in there last night...
Well, your own apartment and the immediate ability to redecorate without cost is a nice touch. Only a few 'public' areas to hang out in, things like the mall etc.
Then, I go to look at general hang outs...and wow...over 8000 areas. When I was in it was fairly quiet on the kaneva front, though the Pink Floyd club was busy. Just my type of place ;D
Plenty of places to buy new clothes/furniture etc in the mall, and plenty friendly people about.
What struck me most though was this. Kaneve is a true and full 3D world. Immensly better than anything I have seen in SL. And very very smooth. Not a glitch nor bug nor collision in sight :)
So my first opinion. Graphically much smoother and better then SL. Although thee does not appear to be too much to do at the moment, we do have to remember I suppose that this is new, and that the community is still buiding up.
On the flip side, avatar creation is very very basic (they quote 500k + possibilities ?) and that dd not particulary impress me. Now if they look at the success of other 'games' and worlds like SL then surely at some point they will look inot avatar desgn etc etc etc which will then open up a whole new aspect to it.
So to sum up, after finally get the application to update, my first views are good and it shows much promise.
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I've committed myself to SL for at least the next year. I took a one year paid membership
to see what I can do on there. Now I just have to look into buying a starter parcel of land. ;)
I spent today trying to scope some out, but I keep losing my blasted internet connection.
Happens every time there are storms around and the wind picks up. Think I better start
complaining to the phone co. that runs the adsl access lines here.
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i think power grids are down on west coast that is supposed to be the problem at sl
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Got some useful info from the guy who has
the mall behind Vits office tonight.
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*Stay away from buying land that has a lot
of commercial developement going on around
it. You can find that sometimes your access
to your land is blocked and you can get
locked out. Making the land unusable.
Also, if you are just looking for a place to
put a home, stay away from land marked as
"mature". Stick with land that is marked "pg",
large businesses are less likely to develope
the parcels around you and possibly blocking
your access.
*If you want to buy Linden $$, be cautious of ebay
the resellers of Linden money make a huge profit.
Best bet is to check the Linden Exchange daily for
going exchange rates, and buy through the exchange.
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I can vouch for that last one. I pulled up the ebay
listings and the Linden Exchange together and found
a large gap between what the ebay sellers were charging
and what you could get Lindens for on the Exchange, in
some cases as much as a 20% difference in what Lindens
are going for.
Lastly. An easy way to make some Linden money is placing an SL
referrer click-through on your own site. For each new member
that signs up using your link you get 500 Linden dollars.
That can be found on your account page by clicking on the
Refer A Friend button.
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Here's a useful site with a lot of pros and cons regarding life in SL.
http://sl.infomyth.com/
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Very good site there Freddy.
He/she holds some strong views inded.
I have to admit though, a lot of the terminolgy confuses me like sim etc. Also, buying land in auctions direct from Linden Labs?
Sure it will all start to make more sense the more we interact :)
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The only way you buy land through the Linden Land Auction, is if you have a lot of money, Because you
have to bid on an entire section. We're talking hundreds of thousands to get into that.
Best is to run searches for parcels of the desired size and price range, then check out the details and restrictions on the land.
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Also, according to that site I linked to above :
"Premium membership in SL is $72 annually (a much better deal that $9 per month). With this, you get a parcel of "First Land", which is 512m of land.."
I can't seem to find any reference to this first land on the SL main site though, so I am unsure as to if that information is acurate. If anyone can confirm this then it would be handy to know.
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Hmm well scrub that idea...they stopped doing it :
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2007/02/second_land_onl.html
That sucks big time.
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Yeah freddy. You actually have to buy your first land, but there is no monthly land use fees for the first 512.
If you have add a second 512 parcel the monthly fee (think of it as a land tax) is I think $5 US per month.
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I just want to say that I find this topic very informative and interesting and I'm pleased its on the forum.
I not been in SL yet but starting to think seriously on it. Please continue.
--Dusky
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Yeah freddy. You actually have to buy your first land, but there is no monthly land use fees for the first 512.
If you have add a second 512 parcel the monthly fee (think of it as a land tax) is I think $5 US per month.
Ahh, okay I see. At first I thought that would put people off buying land, but if you can have land without extra expense (after buying some that is) then it's not so bad. I still wish you got the free land though because it looks like you could make a decent profit on it before...ah well..
There is mention of 'group owned land' which comes with benefits that I still don't fully grasp, but that may be useful to all of us at some point too maybe.
Dusk,
Yes we are getting into it. I didn't like it at first but I am finding things I like about it as I go along, just goes to show I shouldn't be too quick to judge. Come and join us when you get some time :)
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Got a peice of land guys. ~alady sold me a small area of one of her properties.
But the Tier Fee is going to cost me about $8 US per month because of the location
and Covenant tied to the land. I'll be on in a little while and you can come see it.
Spent all night getting set up. ;D Met a very good looking little avatar this morning
just as I was getting done. Seems she lives next door. ;D
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Congratulations Tom. Does the convenant allow you to sell things from there or is it for use as your 'home' ?
I'll be in SL in a short while, just got a few things to do here in RL first.
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It's on a privately owned Island, and the Covenant allows for commercial activity so
long as it does not interfere with the primarily residential aspect of the Island or
cause disruption. It is a PG rated place, but as I have been informed, Mature content
and activity may be maintained within my own building.
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Sounds great then. I'm waiting for a while before I buy some land, I've got plenty to keep me occupied at the moment just as a tramp with not a penny to my name lol
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ill make any of you that i know a deal..... ;D you can sell on the island you are only limited to how many prims are on your parcel.
you can also live in one spot and have a store rented cheaply elsewhere.
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That sounds good Alady, I would rather pay you than someone I don't know. I'm not sure when it will be but I will keep it in mind. Thanks :)
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How goes the research Freddy and Mav? Haven't seen you on SL in a few days.
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I was last in on Sat afternoon, but place was quiet. Parked myself up at Vitt's place heh.
Then on Sat night my PSU went 'POP' and then 'FRAZZLE' then 'ALL BLUE AND SPARKLY' then it just kinda died :(
Totally screwed. Cant afford to replace it till a week on wednesday :( so I'll be out of SL etc until then.
Thank god for spare pc's eh? hehe ;D
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Oh boy, I wondered where you had disappeared to Mav...bad luck dude :(
I haven't been on SL over the weekend as I have had things in RL to do, I will be back soon though. I still have to finish my tutorials off over at the Ivory Towers place, I'm up to level 3 now and it's going well. I want to spend some time on skinning at some point - I read you can buy a plugin that allows you to preview skins before uploading (which incurs a fee) so I can save myself some dollars.
See you soon.
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You'll have to let me know about that skin testing plug-in Freddy, I might want to check it out myself.
Sorry about uor PC dude. I know what you're going through after having spent almost 6 weeks without
a decent one to do any work on or even play a game. But as you say: thank god for having a spare, even
if it is only capable of of surfing the net and doing emails.
SL has been having some real issues with the server grid the past few days anyway. It started Friday,
they thought they had it fixed Sunday morning, but then around midnite PDT the whole thing went
screwey again and it still isn't fixed. You can login, but that's about all you can do right now.
BTW..... I'm having to rebuild, had little accident concerning some scripted particle lighting that
really got me in a mess. But I got it set aright. BUt I need to put up a new house. I'm waiting until
the grid gets straightened out though. Buying the other parcel from ~aladyblond that she has
directly behind mine, so I'll have a bigger place with a room to show off and sell some designs.
Mav, if you had IM'd me Friday night I could have taken you with me to the Pink PussyCat Club.
New place that had its opening that night. Not bad if all you want to do is watch girls pole dancing.
But it gets pricey if you want them to strip or anything. ;) ;D
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Ok guys and gals, here's my first attempt at a a female face skin for use in SL. ;D
On the left is the face as rendered on the SL female avatar figure using
Poser 6 and on the right is how the actual skin is supposed to be laid out. ;)
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Not a bad start Tom :) Where did you get the Poser model from ? Any links appeciated.
Here's a link to the texture previewer, but if you can use Poser then maybe you won't need it so much.
I have gathered that it is not the only one available there's also one here :
http://sldevelopers.com/files/folders/clothing/entry873.aspx
..though it looks like a few people had problems with that one. It appears to be free though so it might be worth a try.
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this is the face i did and applied it to my avatar
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Very nice ~alady. ;) Looks like I've got some competition. ;D
From the marketing research I've been doing, it looks like "medium" to "good" quality,
realistically textured avatar skins fetch a pretty high price on SL. Female skins sell for
more than male skins, and natural looking skins with an outfit built in bring the highest
price, especially if they are designed for the adult entertainment industry.
Decent skins can bring anywhere from L$99 all the way up to L$200 a piece, and truly
exceptional, realistic skins up to L$700 when sold outright and not through a distributor.
Through a retail distributor you would only get about 8 to 10 percent of the retail value.
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IM SURE WE WILL COMPETE BUT I JUST HOPE SOMEONE IN THE MIX MAKES SOME MONEY!!!! i have to admit though i still think the halettes and hals are superior to sl avatars and i think poser has em all beat for realism.
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Sorry folks I forgot to put this link in my post above:
http://sl.infomyth.com/texturepreview/texturepreview.htm
Nice start Alady :) From what Tom says it sounds like we would be better off selling from our own area then. Maybe we could all get together and sell in one place, then some of us can go around distibuting cards and things.
I have Paint Shop Pro now so I will see what I can do too. One thing I was thinking of doing was converting my Biker Girl skins over to SL, they don't need any special clothes so it would be a good place for me to start.
Gamer, don't know if you saw it in my post but where can I get a Poser version of the SL figures please ?
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Sorry Freddy. Here's a link for you. ;)
http://secure-web8.secondlife.com/community/avatar.php
If this link doesn't work for some reason, just go to your account page and look all the way at
the bottom in the left column for "downloads" in downloads you'll find them listed as Avatars.
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Okey Dokey Tom, thanks very much :)
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I think we have lost Pale Rider to Kaneva...I haven't seen him for days :D
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i just wanted to show you guys that if i can do anyone can !!!
here is my hal angelina wearing jeans i fitted for her and a blouse and jacket i did for her.
i transposed them over to cianna in second life and they look amazing . lynn
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I like that, Lynn, you got the whole skin?? ;D ;D ;D
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Looking good there Lynn 8)
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While ~alady has been busy learning how to do clothes, I've been learning construction
techniques using primitives in addition to learning the finer points of skin construction. ;D
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I'm afraid I have been out enjoying the Summer sun of Real Life...I will get back to SL asap, but I'm glad you have started to figure things out.
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I finally got some more land in aother SIM on SL. Istill have my house on the first parcel I purchased,
but I have moved my graphics showroom to the new area and also expanded my operation to include
an adult oriented dance club.
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Sounds like you are making speedy progress there :) I hope you will keep us posted. I should be able to find some time to pay you a visit soon, but I want to check out Entropia first.
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here is our good old freddy in sl today . he came with tom and visited my new juke joint that i just opened we even got him dancing!!! go go go freddy go.. then he went to gamer's club and scoped it out. come back soon.~~alady
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just a side note---- thats freddy with the black white and red hair. nicton with the graying ponytail . he works at tom's club and me doing some shaky shaky dance with freddy.lol
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SL is not the Haptek world but I'd like to have the dance hap. And the fullbody skin too. ;)
Or maybe a better solution would be to go into SL. And never come back.
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It was fun to see you again, it seems like Tom especially has been lost to SL. I only popped in to see if my new installation of SL worked, but was pleased to find you all on there. I will come back as soon as I can but I am busy in RL the next few days and I still have to try out Entropia. Have fun :)
GT40 - it might be worth you trying SL to see if it runs on your PC - the download isn't too big, I think it's around 30MB. Maybe we will see you there. :)
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I wrote that because I'm a naive optimist, who believes in hopes a better future in Real Life. Which'll allow me to buy a new PC and go to Second Life. :)
I tried to install SL on my prehistoric PC, the first time I heard about it. I retried today and after lauching the installer, got this message: "Second Life only supports Windows XP, Windows 2000, and Mac OS X. Attempting to install on Windows 98 can result in crashes and data loss. Install anyway?"
You know my answer, Freddy? BTW, it was easy to guess: http://secure-web1.secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php :)
But I was very surprised to read this: "NOTE: Second Life does NOT currently support Windows Vista"
What about people buying a new PC and wanting to go to SL. They must install two OS's? ::)
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Yes, that suprises me too. I can only think you are right - many people must have two operating systems or maybe two PC's which is increasingly more common it seems.
I hope you manage to get yourself a better PC :)
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Second Life Refer a Friend
Just wanted to add this - they changed the way referals work. Now you don't get $L500 when someone joins up. Instead...
"Refer your friends to Second Life! You will receive L$2000 Linden Dollars whenever anyone you refer upgrades to premium."
So they closed another door, but if someone upgrades it's a nice reward.
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Came across this article via the MSN UK homepage, thought it may appeal to the Sl'ers of us out there :)
Aside from the fact that the goods only exist in pixels, peer pressure to conform still drives the virtual world. Nowhere is this truer than in the virtual reality game of Second Life, one of a new generation of massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs) that has quite startlingly taken on a life of its own.
The game has provided its ?residents? the chance to experience a lifestyle their real jobs can?t afford ? and some have become in-game entrepreneurs to build the consumer goods needed to show off, such as designer clothes, sought-after post codes and luxury cars.
Some players have made real-life fortunes online, and the Second Life currency of Linden Dollars can be converted into American dollars with the same ease as any other currency.
That?s right ? the game has a currency that is as valid and recognised by Second Life?s eight million residents as hard cash from a bank. And once real money is involved, lawsuits follow.
Just like real life, involvement with the game means part-time jobs, mortgage payments, fake designer goods and dodgy landlords. The game has three stock exchanges, about six banks and a thriving real estate market? but no financial regulation.
For complete article follow link below...
http://money.uk.msn.com/investing/articles/morecommentary/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6103760
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Interesting article..just goes to show you have to be just as careful in SL as in Real Life...
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here is the link to the movie i made at Second Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXCDKo0FPbk
in the beginning the pictures bled a little but if you look closely uyou can tell the general premise of the video. it didn't look like that until i uploaded it. ~~alady
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Wow! Thats a really cool video with a perfect choice of song. I think you out-did yourself this time Alady...the stills worked really well and I especially liked the speeded up segment in the dance club. Very good :) A+++
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Thanks alady, for sharing your impressions with us.
You seem very happy in SL. All your nice screenshots give envy to join your new world.
Really. :)