A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence

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Bill DeWitt

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #45 on: November 21, 2006, 04:41:43 am »
A closed mouth gathers no foot.

"I state that your online behavior is irratic, suddenly becoming hostile and abusive."

And as I have stated above, you can not cite one single sentence in this thread where this is true.
You have shown your colors all over the internet, calling people liars for asking questions, casting aspersions upon the honor of anyone who disagrees with you and accusing people of slander for imagined slights.

"Irratic" is a gentle hint. Look up your own cites. I'm about done with you.

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A further allusion to my honesty,
I allude to nothing if I allude to your honesty.

Give it up, boy, your "theory" is bunk and you need to spend some time apologizing. Take it like a man and maybe people will stop spanking you.

Now watch how a grown up ends a fruitless argument with a fool.

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Christopher Doyon

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #46 on: November 21, 2006, 05:19:59 am »
"You have shown your colors all over the internet, calling people liars for asking questions, casting aspersions upon the honor of anyone who disagrees with you and accusing people of slander for imagined slights."

And yet you could not provide a single sentence to back up this charge. And being flamed in two threads hardly constitutes "all over the internet". Your statement sounds like a perfect description of your own behavior, not my own. Further more I have provided many citations in these lasts few post to prove this claim against you. You however, refuse to do the same.

"Look up your own cites."

Which I assume means you were unable to find any, since I very much doubt that you would have passed up the chance to prove me wrong if you could actually find any.

"I'm about done with you."

Oh God, I truly, truly pray that this is true.

"I allude to nothing if I allude to your honesty."

Once again, you succinctly - and this time with no allusion - attack my honesty. And yet you have not provided a single shred of evidence, and in fact not even a good argument to back up this ridiculous and heinous charge. Therefore your above statement is a purely personal and baseless attack. Again, this is irrelevant to any previous debate and is an attempt to smear your opponent in the face of defeat. I fail to see how this can be construed as civil and intelligent behavior.

"Give it up, boy, your "theory" is bunk and you need to spend some time apologizing. Take it like a man and maybe people will stop spanking you."

Far from being true, I clearly defeated Bill in the actual socratic dialogue in this thread above with regard to his specific challenges. Since it was I who was and continues to be the target of some fairly vicious personal attacks, I certainly do not apologize to anyone. I am however sorry to the many readers (600 I think at last count) that such an awesome thread had to be sabotaged by flaming.

"Now watch how a grown up ends a fruitless argument with a fool."

Again, my prayers would be answered if this turns out to be the case.


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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #47 on: November 21, 2006, 06:23:49 pm »
Very rarely do I step in on an argument, but I'd just like to remind people that this forum is meant for open discussion of ideas, even if those ideas may seem a bit wild at times and lets face it some areas of AI are still just pure science fiction..

It's not nice to read a lot of mud slinging as it detracts from what could be an interesting conversation.  Please don't get too personal, but allow people room to put forward their ideas and keep it to reasonable discussion.

Thanks.

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Bill DeWitt

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #48 on: November 21, 2006, 07:59:38 pm »
Very rarely do I step in on an argument, but I'd just like to remind people that this forum is meant for open discussion of ideas, even if those ideas may seem a bit wild at times and lets face it some areas of AI are still just pure science fiction..
Freddy, I have stepped out and will not respond to Chris's whining, but I have to mention that there is a vast difference between the treatment one gets for presenting ideas, and the treatment deserving one who tries to fool people into falling for hokum in an attempt to suck "Contributions" out of enthusiastic, but perhaps less critical readers.

Chris is simply a charlatan, and deserves full scorn if not federal investigation for charity fraud. Notice the difference in his treatment when he casually insulted my intelligence and I simply asked for an apology, compared to his complete dismemberment after I saw how he tried to scam contributions with his little girl story.

I read how you would be concentrating your efforts elsewhere, but I know that you don't want this forum left to snake oil salesmen.

But, no longer my problem, I won't respond to him.

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #49 on: November 21, 2006, 09:25:03 pm »
I have to be honest and say I haven't followed the whole story - there was too much - I just wanted to calm things down a bit really - nuff said from me, but the truth will always out..

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Christopher Doyon

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2006, 11:33:44 pm »
Dear Freddy & Friends --

You say you haven't followed the entire story, but surely you have read the last few posts. Take this latest one from Bill, filled with vitriol and bitterness. How am I supposed to let something like that stand ?  I relish debate, and I am used to flamers, but it's like he has turrets syndrome or something ! You are a Global Moderator, Fred. I implore you to use your powers to delete this thread. I will then HAPPILY resign this Forum, as I will certainly not be joining in again with such an unstable man lurking around.

That said, I have loved my time here at Digital Girl, and it will remain one of my favorite Web Sites.

"Freddy, I have stepped out and will not respond to Chris's whining..."

And yet you will gladly post your most bitter and vitriolic attack yet on my character. And when someone is attacked with name calling and aspersions to his character, it is not whining when he responds with cold logic and resists the temptation to respond in kind. That's called be the bigger man.

"...treatment deserving one who tries to fool people into falling for hokum in an attempt to suck "Contributions" out of enthusiastic, but perhaps less critical readers."

I have NEVER solicited anything in this Forum except ideas and feedback. Unless Bill is refering to the fact that I do in fact accept donations on my Web Site. Now, Dr. Wallace believes in many of the ideas I have presented or "hokum" as you put it, and he to solicits donations on HIS Web Site, does that mean that he is unwelcome to participate here at Digital Girl ?

"Chris is simply a charlatan..."

Oh come on Freddy, this is blatant name calling !  How can anyone in any forum accept this as civil behavior ?  I implore you again, this fellow must be stopped - he is clearly out of control.

"....and deserves full scorn if not federal investigation for charity fraud."

Your scorn is your own to have or not have my friend. You are not the only bright mind in the world and others think differently. Regarding the legalities of my Web Site and work, I feel very comfortable - but if you feel the need to call the IRS, then knock yourself out.

"Notice the difference in his treatment when he casually insulted my intelligence and I simply asked for an apology."

This NEVER happen, it is a fiction that Bill has just made up. His previous post is the first we here of it. But when challenged to do exactly as I myself have done and to copy/paste this offense of mine so that all can see - Bill will not do so. And far from insulting Bills intelligence, I have gone to great lengths to praise it both publicly and privately. Here I will gladly copy/paste examples directly from this thread:

1) And by the way, you have an awesome and very pleasant writing style. Your work, when you publish - will be not only lucid, but very humorous and uplifting as well.

Here I am refering directly to something Bill wrote, and clearly praising his prose (and by implication his intellect).

2) Good gracious, I hope you are having as much fun as I am - this is AWESOME. Any way.....

I wrote this in post # 28, quite far along into the conversation. Me and Bill had been having a very excellent and tough debate so far, and I wanted him to know that his "intellect" was creating a thread that was a blast to participate in.

3) My respect, which is total and complete - is based solely on your output.

This quote comes quite late in the debate, page 3. Which of course shows how long the debate went before turning personal. The context is that Bill and I are debating the imortance of how an Agent behaves. Bill's "output", a product of his intellect - is being clearly, sincerely - and obviously praised and respected.

The actual socratic dialogue breaks down right about post # 30 or so. It appears that despite my greatest efforts in that post to show Bill my admiration for his mind AND my true affection for him personally, he begins to level the charge that I have somehow denigrated him or his mind. Yet neither I, nor apparently he - can find where I did this.

4) VERY AFFECTIONATELY YOURS

It may have nothing to do with his intellect, but it was how I signed the next two posts because even then, Bill was starting to show signs of getting upset. It was my hope that he would realize that debate aside, I considered him a friend.

"...compared to his complete dismemberment after I saw how he tried to scam contributions with his little girl story."

I will ignore the "little girl" allusion, as I have already spoken to it. As for my brief mention of donors in that post, I was refering to - and tongue in cheek thanking, the donors I already have - many of whom are members of this Forum. Here's the quote of my words, let's look at it:

P. S. To my many donors out there, now you know what I do with your money !

No solicitation, no "please send me money" - a joke at my own expense and a tongue in cheek thanks to the donors I already have.

"I won't respond to him."

If only that were true. Again Freddy, I implore you to remove this thread from your Forum, at which time I will gladly go in and cancel my membership at Digital Girl. I am actually quite offended by this name calling, inuendo, and flaming - and as much as I like your Site, I will not be a part of a community that allows members to abuse other members in this fashion.

But I will NOT walk away from an attack on my character as ghastly has the ones Bill has leveled in these last few posts. The only way to stop this it seems would be to delete this entire thread. Do that, and I will gladly depart here forever.

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2006, 03:13:46 am »
As moderator I want to say that I too will not tolerate name calling, put downs and the like on this board. I'm probably the more "hard-edged" of the bunch but only if it really *really* gets to me.

Personal attacks are against our forum rules. Therefore I will be locking this thread. Do not take up another thread for the sake of calling each other names. Please discuss openly and with consideration of other's viewpoints and beliefs.

Above all, if you must disagree, agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Thank you.

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Re: A Unified Theory Of Machine Life And Artificial Intelligence
« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2006, 10:31:54 am »
I can only repeat what I have already said, that the name calling was detracting from what was originally an interesting discussion.  I don't expect people to always agree with each other - I mean that's the point of open discussion, but personal attacks - I just don't think this is really the place.

No-one need leave the forum, it would just be better to stop this tit-for-tat that the thread has gone into.  I'm not taking sides but thats all I have to say really.