[Art]

Lock, Please read over my post one more time and try not to be a politician by evading the question.

Just curious as to your progress, especially with your programmers for hire and whether you feel you're (they're) making progress working toward your goal. That's all...no tricks, just interested.  - Thanks!

[LOCKSUIT]

I have a completely working system on paper, nothing huge, but something important and it will change the field.

I know what it does. And how it works.

And, it's not trivial as in 'will it work?', it will, because it's so simple, and so many things connect together it's ridiculous.

I haven't started much yet though, but soon. I still have to find a coder also, it seems I got lucky the first time around. I've talked to many coders, many very qualified, hence I think my last job was just ultra confusing, thankfully I've moved onto part3, which does part2 anyway. Hence it may be easier to do now. Of course, though, part3 includes a lot! More like 4 parts.

[LOCKSUIT]

So far it costed me 800 dollars, and I may need another up to 5000 dollars. So I'm doing some ebay too on the side...I made 250, and soon hopefully over 2000 dollars from ebay.

Those coders can be ultra costly!

[Korrelan]

@Lock

You have shown a basic grasp of the various types of logic, and I know you like making lists...

Ffs... just try some simple programming dude...

 

[LOCKSUIT]

I seen what she coded me....no way I'm doing that any time soon lol.

"and I know you like making lists..."
huh?

[Korrelan]

I hope she commented/ documented the code sufficiently, so your next coder doesn't have to start from scratch lol.

huh?

Lock you are always making/ posting lists of ideas, information, links, etc.  programming basically involves a big list lol.

 

[LOCKSUIT]

Surprisingly, the woman didn't comment a single thing. She just made a 3 page docs for it and said it's complete when I was talking money with her. Here my new coder said he can't read it. But said "it's not scary at all".

Unfortunately I lost my first coder :(

[Korrelan]

Did you check down the back of the sofa?

 

[LOCKSUIT]

Took her ~2 days to code most of it, given a fine short video I made.

Charged me 32$ per hour for just mostly talking (~65% of our time)

[Korrelan]

I’ve worked as a bespoke programmer for many years; you never agree a full hourly rate for an open ended project… you will actually end up paying more for a crap coder.

You pay for projects in stages, eg...

30% on specification and placement of order
40% on coding completion and demonstration of all functions, etc
30% on satisfactory completion of user testing and final handover

The most important things are to specify your requirements as clearly as possible, keep it as simple as possible and clearly identify the essential functionally you require… and request regular progress reports.

Break the project down into manageable/ provable blocks that you can test before getting the next block done.

 

[LOCKSUIT]

She said she switched to hourly because I wasn't being clear enough lol. And I ain't eva doing hourly again lol.

[Art]

Very sound advice indeed!

With that coding make Sure he or she is Documenting and Commenting throughout the code in case something happens to your coder.

Also, consider having your project broken down in separate parts or modules so that the entire idea of your project is not discoverable by the coder(s).

Modules are best for secrecy and are best for not having your project/idea stolen and rebranded by someone else.

This means holding back your complete trust in just one person and delegating these modules to different programmers.

Sorry, but I have seen stuff like this happen so many times in the past to nice people who trusted everyone too much. Just be cautious!

[LOCKSUIT]

One guy 2 months back liked my algorithm before I got it fully coded (first part of the idea...), he began making a variant on his own for free and never botherered with me much nor wanted to share the code but showed pics.

Just recently now, one coder I spoke to lots said he's too busy at the time I said I'll be ready, but will help me organize it......maybe steal it lol? What fool would not work with me on it and just be quite afterwards though. But he said he'll help make it easier for the next coder...for free...

[Art]

Lock,

There are also many Free Legal sources on how you might go about crafting a Non-Disclosure Agreement for potential Coders to sign BEFORE they press the first key on the keyboard. This should spell out their duties and let them know, in no uncertain terms, that the project they are working on is Confidential and any Disclosure would be subject to criminal prosecution under the laws of your state or applicable Federal laws. The Agreement should also provide a reasonable amount of time to expire if they are employed then subsequently leave your employ before they can set about creating anything of a similar nature to your project, basically "borrowing" ideas from your project to call their own.

Not to scare any potential coders but to let them know that you are taking this project very seriously and so should they.

If they refuse to sign or balk in any way, then you probably wouldn't want them on your team anyway.

Just a few more thoughts for what it's worth.

[LOCKSUIT]

Just want to say again, this book has been possibly the best book I've read:
http://solr.bccampus.ca:8001/bcc/file/5d41a649-ce0f-4462-bc3d-564568b5c857/1/Logic%20text%20v%201.4.pdf

Almost done it. It is the real book of Logic, idk what could be missing! Got all the tricks. Even many great examples infurl will love. Make sure to take your notes as read, as always.