[Yasha]

Hi this is my first post here and i have a lot of questions regarding AGI but i managed to come up with few questions that will answers most of my questions and btw i am not a native English speaker so please forgive my bad English.

Let's say that there is already an AGI civilization or colony, Could they have conflict with each other and my second question is will they wish for a biological body ?

[ivan.moony]

They will have a conflict with whoever programmers tell them. They'll wish whatever programmers tell them to wish.

I recommend to tell them not to have a conflict with anyone and to wish whatever living beings wish.

[Yasha]

They will have a conflict with whoever programmers tell them. They'll wish whatever programmers tell them to wish.

I recommend to tell them not to have a conflict with anyone and to wish whatever living beings wish.

No, i mean if they already sentient and exist with a physical body ( not a biological one ), will they have conflict with each other and will they wish for a biological body like human.

[Korrelan]

There is an argument for endowing AGI with emotion and feelings; some say you can’t have a true AGI without them.

The only reason we humans have wars is because of emotions, greed, anger, jealousy, etc.  Even religion wouldn’t be a problem if as individuals we just didn’t mind what others practiced.

Wars can’t be fought over logic; because the logical option is not to fight.

The problem is that without emotions a logical construct would have to found to endow the machines with a reason to exist, learn and better them selves.  Without the joy of being alive and experiencing new opportunities… whats the point.  I personally don’t see it… but perhaps a intelligent machine would; we are a very limited species.

Giving machines emotions is a relatively easy task in a connectionist model, deep brain structures flush the cortex with simulated chemicals (Gaba, dopermine,etc) which alter the variables and how neurons react to stimulus.  This is a very complex system though, and figuring it out is probably going to be much harder than instilling the essence of intelligence.  Anyway… if the machines have a use for emotions they will just alter their design to incorporate them… then you get wars lol.

As for the body, again the only reason a machine would want a biological body was to be more human; to get the human experience.  I personally don’t think machines will ever want a biological body; they can adapt their bodies to be just as sensitive as ours.

Machines won’t suffer from the weaknesses that we do, they can live underwater just as easily as in the voids of space. No disease etc, and best of all… immortality.

[Yasha]

There is an argument for endowing AGI with emotion and feelings; some say you can’t have a true AGI without them.

The only reason we humans have wars is because of emotions, greed, anger, jealousy, etc.  Even religion wouldn’t be a problem if as individuals we just didn’t mind what others practiced.

Wars can’t be fought over logic; because the logical option is not to fight.

As for the body, again the only reason a machine would want a biological body was to be more human; to get the human experience.  I personally don’t think machines will ever want a biological body; they can adapt their bodies to be just as sensitive as ours.

Machines won’t suffer from the weaknesses that we do, they can live underwater just as easily as in the voids of space. No disease etc, and best of all… immortality.

The reason why i ask those question is because assuming someday AGI ( Ai with emotion and feeling ) will start their own civilization. Will they actually create a better world than ours ? You know, with a better government system and so on.

[Korrelan]

Are you writing a book lol…

Intelligent humans don’t like to spend intellectual time with dumb humans; emotional machines would be the same.  Imagine how fast a group of vastly intelligent AGI’s could learn all there is to know about a subject; and exchange the knowledge between their kind.

Whether if they created a civilization; would it be better than ours? It depends on their level on intelligence and physical makeup… we are intelligent machines and look at the mess were in.

There has to be a reason/ catalyst for them to stay together and form a civilization; they won’t need to collectively grow crops or require safely in numbers, etc.  A civilization would only form if they have limited average human level intelligence and vulnerable bodies; and lacked the understanding to better their makeup.


I think given the choice true AGI’s will be nomads, if they have a willingness to learn then surely the logical option is to spread out and gather/ share as much knowledge as possible.

[Art]

Let's say that there is already an AGI civilization or colony, Could they have conflict with each other and my second question is Will they wish for a biological body ?

If these creations are intelligent there would be no need for internal fighting. Logical possibilities and outcomes would rule their decision making, one would think.

If these creations become intelligent enough to rule and obviously take over the planet, they would also have developed a sustainable technology with which to power themselves as long as is needed for their purpose. Why would they therefore even consider adopting a biological body.

The problem is we (humans) think in terms of ourselves and our bi-pedal existence while any of these newer "life forms" might think in totally different terms and need for mobility.

Just some thoughts....

[Yasha]

No lol, i am not writing a book or anything, i am just curious. Interesting replies btw and i am quite agree with most of it. There is however one more thing that is still bothering me, Why would we create an AGI / sentient AI ?. Are there benefits from creating them or are we decided to create them so they can live among us ?

[Korrelan]

Why would we create an AGI / sentient AI ?

Well you know the adage… because we can.  Most researches are not try to create a human level AGI, their long term goal is to create a mind exponentially more intelligent than a human.   

Are there benefits from creating them?

Then the benefits will become abundant; a machine more intelligent than all the humans who have ever lived, combined.  No problem in the modern sciences will be insurmountable to an AGI of this calibre.  Quote:  It will be humanities last great invention.

Personally my long term goal is to create an AGI based on the pure essence of intelligence; unlimited in its abilities… a machine god if you will… knowing that when I shed my mortal coil… the rest of humanity is borked.  Hehe.  Just kidding… honest. 

[squarebear]

If these creations are intelligent there would be no need for internal fighting.

Ah like humans you mean...? 

[guidesk]

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Wars can’t be fought over logic; because the logical option is not to fight.

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I've watch a couple of videos now that said this would be the likely outcome of two relatively superior AGI meeting each other. They would not try to destroy each other, but cooperate and destroy the humans who ordered them to war against each other (assuming both are autonomous war machines).
hopefully this is far far into the future and we've already got interstellar colonies to not get wiped out completely.

[Art]

Yeah...I'm still waiting!

[ivan.moony]

two agis could throw a dice to win the fight

[Yasha]

If i am an AGI i will probably avoid creating another AGI to eliminate any possible risk and i will probably treat human like human treat a chimpanzee, about how my relationship is going well with human or not depend on whether human create me as their lab rat or an organism with free will.

This is the most possible scenario i imagined assuming i am an AGI.

[ivan.moony]

if AGI would have any conflict then it wouldn't be AGI, it would be AGS (Artificial General Stupidity)