[yotamarker]

what must she be capable of ?

must she :
be able to create another A.I ?
if so must she :
understand how to build a computer from scratch
have some kind of knowledge ?
have some equipment ?

must she be able to recreate or repaire her self ?

[LOCKSUIT]

Oh ya once created they will have a massive hierarchy and know exactly why immortality is first priority for all and exactly how to build computers and AI and what tools and what techniques and how to repair etc.

[keghn]

 If it is a human AI bot it will need a free market economy to buy spare parts. Or make next year new improved stock body
and other specialized company to make highly modified trict out sub parts.
 When its body gets old and becomes last year model will the AI just transfer it programing over to a new brain that my or my
not have bugs that bring down the whole system? Transfer insurance to fix a screw up?
 It will need a market that has other AI's around so it will profitable for manufacturing to make parts and bodies in
a mass market manufacturing environment.

[LOCKSUIT]

Once AI is here, the scene won't look like a partnership economy with robots living in houses. I created the biggest list of all of their abilities. Even terminator shows what happens. The factories start duplicating factories and a very advanced system begins.

As soon as I create the first one even in virtual reality, even if I have cancer and aren't yet in my cryo capsule, I will be made immortal in days. As soon as it's made, I can't die. As soon as it's made, all turns white. Over. Starts.

Either dystopia, or utopia instantly.

[8pla.net]

A.I. known as an Expert System may carry on the expertise of a human expert so that her expertise does not die with her.

[LOCKSUIT]

You mean an agent?

Once AI comes, there will be trillions of small and big machines in a growing system that each will be immortal and older than any old man in just a few weeks with many more abilities, they literally will have a short time window before they never have to speak to us again for anything.

[Freddy]

What kind of machines are you taking about ? Silicon chips aren't going to last forever.

If they wanted immortality, what kind of immortality ? Physical, mental, spiritual, cultural ?

If it's physical then it would have to come up with something that lasts longer than the components we have now. On the other hand if it's intellect you want to preserve then they could just swap out parts. But then how do you preserve the intellect - is the idea stored in a memory chip enough ? Certainly so far most people don't think uploading a set ideas to a machine constitutes the beginning of another lifetime for that same entity - 'merely' the continuation of an idea, like stories passed down through the ages. A vessel if you will.

Spiritual and cultural ideas can last a long time too, like any idea can, but is that even going to be a consideration if machines were to take over and impose themselves. Would they build some culture and society. What's going to drive them other than the seed we plant in their 'minds' ?

And then, how do you know the Universe is going to go on forever - you can't be immortal if there's nowhere to be immortal.

There's marine sponges that can live a good couple of thousand years and things like water hydra (I get them in my aquarium sometimes) may possibly live forever, whatever that is. Or your massive underground fungi that live on and on and just keep on growing.

Much to ponder.

[kei10]

The way I define the immortality of certain being is the immortality of the memory itself, since information defines everything. However, even information can become corrupt overtime, they can break and wear just like physical, since information is encoded physically, thus that makes that memory can't be immortal by itself.

This is why backups were made for software and any essential information data. Newest data is to be replaced by backups when lost, or perform error correction to repair the lost data.

Although that is the only closest way to achieve undying information. However, we as biological creatures has an extra undiscovered property called "soul", or consciousness. We may able to transfer data, but we haven't discovered how to transfer this consciousness... That alone isn't going anywhere. I don't believe in these superstitious things like souls, but there is just something I couldn't explain, it's forcing me to hold it... This soul thing doesn't apply to non-biological beings like robots, though.

Additionally, I also think that this soul thing... Isn't discoverable, I think it's one of the very notion of concrete entity that is bounded by The Principle of Entropy, separated by the boundary of what we can see.

:<

[keghn]

 When a AGI body becomes too old, it can transmit it program of it self to another star a 100 light years away.
 Two years years after transmission it body is melted down at the junk yard. The new body at
destination star system in not built yet. No body on both ends. At this time the AGI is pure energy. Is it in heaven?

[Freddy]

How did the receiver on the other star get there ?

Why does it need to go to all that trouble ? Why couldn't it just build another body here ?

[keghn]

 Planet is over populated. So AGI transmitted to world that has or is in the process of being terra formed, by a generation
ship. And is a carrier of the latest technology for the replicator machine aboard the generation ships.

[Freddy]

So science fiction then ?

[keghn]

 Not in my warp bubble!

[Freddy]

Haha, good one 

Science fiction often becomes fact, so who knows. 

[Art]

It's not enough that an (average) A.I. wants immortality, it would have to be advanced enough to realize what that meant and then advanced enough to engineer it's own permanence in the world / universe forever. Of course a suitably advanced A.I. or A.G.I. would have a backup or all it's data as well as suitable cloned versions of itself. These versions are likely to be better versions since it is an advanced intelligence, it would be aware of any potential weaknesses or possible improvements to itself.

It would practically become "Instantaneous Digital Thought" and not so much of a processing device based on physical moving parts, because friction is the death knell of every machine.

Pure thought...pure energy...access to all the knowledge of the universe...now that could be immortal....