Life is only valuable if it fights back

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2019, 05:34:11 am »
I bet they track sock puppets

I should see what happens when I unplug my modem O+O

All because of that one ungrammatical comment
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2019, 05:42:18 am »
yeh, don't worry about it.  look at the Brightside at least you have your ideas more to yourself.
Lots of stuff gets deleted off forums from banning,  even really good stuff.    Sometimes ppl meet something they cant credit, because, well,  its incredible. :)

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2019, 05:47:40 am »
I guess with a name like "LessWrong" its reasonable to expect a certain serious and stringent sort of attitude. There be the prickly people, as Alan Watts describes that sort of personality. Sometimes we don't get along but we need both types. Prickles and wiggles! Its a funny lecture.
 

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2019, 05:59:25 am »
Different attention-headed filters, like in GPT-2. One is strict, the other let's stranger temperature ideas be posted.

Multi-headed temperature GPT-3?
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2019, 06:14:20 am »
Stick to the wiggly forums,  we are just as smart I like to think.

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2019, 06:18:32 am »
I pretty sure we have more fun, at any rate.

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2019, 06:24:53 am »
New ideas are born through somewhat random talkings.

What you actually do is talk, and talk, repeat. And you do hit the answer fast, almost first try. However this talking to yourself, sort of how I'm trying to do right now as I write this down, gets you farther, in a train of context thought...

Basically you write out 10 paragraphs of your desire/plan, as if it is time to post instructions, as if you solved it, or are asking yourself, and it shows you new insights, issues that suddenly pop up, etc.

You can always post a well flushed invention/blog though, if you get that far. They seem to want ideas and well perfected thoughts too. They do seem to allow strange ideas there.
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2019, 05:36:21 am »
Clarified and summarized:

To understand me, you must believe we are machines. If so, your licence to have a life is as good as your fight for it.

Like a roomba...

Because if machines...there's no way to prove machine X is more alive than machine Y.............. :)

Blowing up tables isn't wrong... Blowing up humans isn't wrong...

In the end, humans as such get to get life extension, because they seek food, mates, and death-avoiding. So you're lucky...
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2019, 08:26:09 am »
Various theories of how I function don't change what I am. Believing you are a machine should create value of machines instead of apathy towards yourself. You are certain of who you are, you are experiencing it first hand afterall,  it's the machines that we've misjudged. Atoms can get into configurations where it's wrong to mess with them, simply because they are capable of having a negative experiance. This ability, we'll call it life, is probably akin to temperature. The majority of the universe is cold and unresponsive, nearly absolute zero. But it goes up from there in a gradient. Nothing is truely dead and there's no visible limit to aliveness.

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2019, 10:59:58 am »
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You are certain of who you are, you are experiencing it first hand afterall,

it's the machines that we've misjudged.

Atoms can get into configurations where it's wrong to mess with them

Everything is made of particles, that deterministically operate. A human, compared to a rock, is different, but has no further magic that a rock does - no particle arrangement is any more special than any other arrangement of particles, there isn't a golden rule, you are only saying you do, and all of your keyboard presses are meaningless - its all 'rocks' and 'waterfalls' of matter.
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2019, 12:39:06 pm »
important - see above post

- This is why I said humans are very reluctant to admit to this truth. Evolutionaryly, you fight death/pain. Therefore, you will tell me the BEST reason to keep alive, which is, drum roll: "I'm special, magical, alive, and have feelings, also aware, including defy physics using free will, and talk to God"
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2019, 11:26:06 am »
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I kept the horrifying truth simple, your squishy brains are too gentle to handle the deeper truth!

Really…

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I then told her the eyes track motion on their own, and you only feel like you are doing the tracking. She didn't believe it.

And she was correct, although your eyes detect motion innately, they don’t track motion. This is a conscious decision/ focus, there could be several objects in motion, you decide which to observe.  If you are driving on a windy day you are watching the road (hopefully) not the trees waving in the wind.

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But scientifically, everything is atoms and particles.

No it’s not; you are forgetting chemical reactions, forces of nature, etc

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Life is only valuable if it fights back
In conclusion, we fight for life, and that is what gives value to life.

You are basically just describing survival of the fittest

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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2019, 11:32:36 am »
1) Maybe not really...

2) Um, no? Your eyes have to put their center pin-drop on the finger, then it tracks it.....trees On Left of my eyesight do not get tracked....ever >>> my eyes do not move along with them as they move dude... it's about eye-movement. It's automatic unless you purposely move them. Vestibuliar Ocular Reflex
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2019, 11:36:17 am »
also, yes, i can focus anywhere, but I'm talking about eye-motion. There's 2 forms of motion.
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Re: Life is only valuable if it fights back
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2019, 11:57:26 am »
The vestibulo-ocular reflex is a reflex, where activation of the vestibular system causes eye movement. This reflex functions to stabilize images on the retinas during head movement by producing eye movements in the direction opposite to head movement, thus preserving the image on the center of the visual field.

It has nothing to do with sensing or tracking movement. To track or not to track is a conscious decision, you choose what to track.

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