My outline of the human brain.

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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2016, 11:07:50 pm »
Hi again BF33

Do you have a coherent theory that provides all this described functionality? Or even a new twist/ insight into a proven mechanism or algorithm?

You have obviously given these subjects lots of thought, what is your goal?

Is this a theory that you are expressing requiring feedback/ reassurance/ insight?

This may be the holy grail of AGI for all I know… but I just can’t understand it.  I judge myself as quite an intelligent human; I understand and regularly code AI systems for personal and commercial applications.  My living relies on said skills, but it would be impossible to code or create your system from your current given description.

Your mind obviously doesn't tick the same way as the majority, which can be a good thing… but you need to find someone/ some way of getting your theory written down in normal understandable main stream English.

If we can’t understand your explanations… what chance do we have of grasping your complex theories?

I'm not ‘dissing’ your theory… I'm honestly saying I just can’t understand it.

@Keghn… Cheers mate  :)
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2016, 11:57:02 pm »
My whole algorithm is on the previous page, it walks you through the:

- Body, Implementation, Tools.

- Sensors, Triggers, Memory&Search&BringsToFront, Guess, Motors.

- Progress.

I made sure all I'v told you's in in that small piece, just a few things I'v said aren't yet.



I know if I do the following below it should make you publish it to spread the word and get things started.

Here we go.

Agree upon the following performance:

1. The Human-Baby-Robot created will learn to crawl just like real Human Babies because mammal robots have been made that emerge the same walk as real mammals. In essence it does this by Guess actions, Rewards(Triggers), Memory match, Guess tweak the selected motor actions. With the possibility of learning circle-crawl actions and then deincrementation. It now crawls on to the wall. And while the actions are done in Motors Sent from Guess they get random highs of Guess tweak (when selection is labeled +) and so it's path jiggles like a rat crawling around like ~ ~ ~. Approaches wall.
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2016, 12:24:31 am »
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it walks you through the

I'm sorry but it doesn't… not in terms I can understand.

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I know if I do the following below it should make you publish it to spread the word and get things started.

So you hoping that we find your theory so ground breaking that it revolutionizes the whole AGI research landscape?

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Agree upon the following performance

Performance matters not if there is no coherent explanation of how it works. If you are making extraordinary claims… the world requires extraordinary proof.

Look… quoting what your AGI would achieve means nothing… HOW!

If you can’t explain it commonly understood concepts/ methods then you must go the extra mile and find a way to make it understandable… to us.

I feel your frustration mate… and I'm not taking the pi** but you need to find a common ground between what’s going on in your head, and what we can understand.
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2016, 12:28:00 am »
It is very interesting what you write, but you dont need to say everything at once, it is very difficult to understand especially for me and my bad english.

I am totally out of this field but how storage process goes, and ranking too.What is the amount and level of energy between neurons and how is accomplished that diversity, my physics is bad,is it just by circuit?Like bigger circuit fires faster or stronger?

And what about prev information like genes how you write them, they are very complex i guess,because some synapses are made while body is arranging.They are like levels of senses in some sufficient amount for the balance of particular organism.How you provide that balance?

Maybe genes have role in ranking too, of course through triggering, but what is there something about evolutionary ranking,like which sense we believe more in different situations and why is that.

And triggering -reward system how you establish it?On what purpose?

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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2016, 12:38:16 am »
To Keghn:
Genes working in us and neurons moving and changing around everyday is not a key part of how we work and is not needed. So, no genes implemented, and no changing neurons. What IS implemented is what was created from the genes in the first place-the AI brain. And neuro links are simply made when senses get saved into a neuron (by strength) and is near a neuron that you want it to be near (happens at memory front) (any searched memory is brought to active front).

You install into the AI what you want it to lust after. It WILL get the actions that get the reward, it then saves these actions, for the reward, by the reward, paradox paradox here. All we enjoy isn't really tasty or beautiful, it is installed rewards or the movie/game links to the real few rewards as a semi-reward. Like say, AI will make us immortal to forever get food. Now AI is good.

To keep this short, I'll re-explain later.
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2016, 01:24:56 am »
What means memory front?How is memory arranged is memory whole brain?How do you see cerebellum what is purpose how you explain, is there storage for something and why is there and what is for?And on what mechanism that storage works?

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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2016, 01:43:19 am »
This explanation goes to both korrelan and madmax.



Imagine a long horizontal growing memory bar/stick, divided into two rows horizontally.

First, Guess happens - actions for all the motors are generated and saved into the first box in the bottom row.

Then the actions are sent to motors.

Then senses go through rewards and are saved into the first top row box of the memory bar, above just tried actions. The senses were labelled and ranked by if they matched +/- rewards and how much they matched the reward.

These two first boxes of the memory bar are a set. This is current active memory front. The sense that's the most powerful goes to search and match memory and the match must at least be similar, and it fires to the strongest ranked match of them.

The match - the set of senses and actions chosen - and any linked but lesser, go back up to rewards and back down to current active memory front. This is how you can link 22 tasks to do one after another.
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*Notice all of your thoughts are doing this right now? All you see goes and grabs memories&actions and goes to memory front. In other words all you see gets saved at front of the bar, searched at the left side, and brings it back to the right side/front of bar~

Then if the actions are labelled +, the guess turns into Guess Tweak, saved, and sent to Motors.
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2016, 02:08:52 pm »
OK… it’s making much more sense now.  :)

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The senses were labelled and ranked by if they matched +/- rewards and how much they matched the reward.

How does the system acquire the rewards?  They would have to be in the same recorded format as the sensory data if you are going to apply a simple +/- ranking schema.

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The sense that's the most powerful

I think your describing saliency here.  How do you rank the power of the senses?

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and any linked but lesser

How and when does the linking occur?  How does the system know when to link a  returned/ ranked sense to the current motor output?

How would the system produce an internal ‘thought’ that’s not linked to any sense?
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2016, 07:39:38 pm »
"How does the system acquire the rewards?  They would have to be in the same recorded format as the sensory data if you are going to apply a simple +/- ranking schema."
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You install the rewards as senses yes. In our brains the sensory input doesn't pass any rewards because before it gets saved into memory the neurons that it goes through are basically the rewards i.e. input-sensitive-neurons. So in a way we definitely yes have or do have The rewards in there.

Think - if a nerve in your arm to your brain sends a pain signal, and another time a pleasure signal, WHY do you talk and talk about which hurts and which feels soooo good? Neither of the signals are any supior than eachother. IT'S THE REWARDS. The rewards rank and labbel the senses saved into memory. Later they get chosen to do if + and tweaked, or to withhold if - and then guess. And stopping bad rewards is a good reward, or becomes so by becoming a semi-reward by the neutral senses linking to real +/-rewards ex. gravity is so good/win or loss condition.



"I think your describing saliency here.  How do you rank the power of the senses?"

"How and when does the linking occur?  How does the system know when to link a  returned/ ranked sense to the current motor output?"
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The senses are saved as strength in neurons, along with a rank (<which is that< [I'll explain how it ranks higher]), and a label. The more a sense matches the rewards, the more it spikes, that's how it gets ranked higher. The louder or brighter a sense, the stronger the rank. The more a sense is matched at in memory by a strong sense the stronger it gets. Example when you stare at something the input matches to the same memory.

The stronger it is the more faster it charges and fires up to rewards and down to current memory front to be saved near just saved actions&senses and therefore linked to them since so close saved.

The strongest sensory input OR the strongest sense matched at in memory and brought to memory front then goes to search to a match in memory.



"How would the system produce an internal ‘thought’ that’s not linked to any sense? "
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All thoughts are senses and their linked actions being matched at in memory and brought to active memory front of the memory bar. If you want a sense not linked to any sense, like say a video from a month ago that already has sound linked and you want to exchange its sound to a song heard last night, you end up matching it and bringing it up to rewards and down to mem front, and I presume the music you are adding is strong enough matched in your brain that it also comes to mem front, then once the video and your added music is at mem front, it had already went up to rewards to like it, and also now both of them go to match memory to think about (the vid and added music - not the original weaker sound)



Schematic - notice the "backpropagation" is a memory match that goes back-up to rewards and back-down to current active memory front.
http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/coolgodboss/media/New%20AI%20Schematic_zps6r5pz19t.png.html?sort=3&o=0

That little backpropagated blue dot ontop a sense is overlayer crops. I'm a little, advanced. I can do right now, I faintly see a little bunny hopping on my table.

The reason I "see" my table FullSense and the bunny clip FaintSense is how much they (at memory front) match a memory at left of the memory bar. If there was nothing to match, you'd see nothing, and be a big 0 thinker, like babies are at first.
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2016, 09:14:52 pm »
 Are using meta data logic in your sequential data stands, to mark out out areas of recorded data, reward registers, output values, temporal time stamp, and strand branch points?

 Or is it none of this. it just take in a sample of the world and then generates a instantaneous output.  Like temporal
data has no weight in the matter?

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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2016, 11:46:26 pm »
keghn...It's only what I'v said...if you don't even understand it this much....um......lol :) .........
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2016, 06:07:18 am »
My thorough explanation is above korrelan~ ^
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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2016, 07:25:13 pm »
Read above^

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Mine initiates its learned crawl actions when sees something similar to a wall, voice imitation and improvement, etc.

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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2016, 09:29:36 pm »
I liked the music - kind of industrial, makes me think of Tron or Terminator. Might make a good soundtrack for an old school FPS, maybe you could put your game, and that together. I'm not really sure what your game is, but there.

I couldn't really see much of your art, was there a gallery there ? I could only see a montage and couldn't really see a lot.

Everyone has theories, often the task is to explain to others, not to yourself. That's what I find anyway.

Keep at it :)

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Re: My outline of the human brain.
« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2016, 09:40:33 pm »
Hi BF33

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You install the rewards as senses yes.

What resolution are the pre-entered senses going to have?  I understand the rewards are in the same format as the senses but even describing a simple reward would be difficult.  Using the sensory list method, you would probably require millions of sensory reward combinations just describe a simple object.  The sensory list is going to have the inputs from audio, vision, tactile, etc. You are going to require rewards for each sense, every possible combination of sense… or a reward for each facet of a sensory stream.

If this is a simple bot crawling on the floor towards a designated goal, say a toy car… what would be the pre-entered rewards for this task.

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The senses are saved as strength in neurons, along with a rank (<which is that< [I'll explain how it ranks higher]), and a label.

Ahhh!... So far we have just had our two memory lists with the rewards, what schema do the spiking neurons have that govern the rewards? What neuron design and connectome will you be using?

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The louder or brighter a sense

How would the system avoid fire for example?  How will a higher sensory reward ranking produce a negative motor action?

I said... "How would the system produce an internal ‘thought’ that’s not linked to any sense?"

By this I meant for example, how could this system write a sentence in reply to a topic. It has to hold all the variables for the current conversation and past replies and responses, use natural language processing and keep breaking off thought trains to write.  I still don’t see how it could achieve a process like this.

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If you want a sense not linked to any sense, like say a video from a month ago that already has sound linked and you want to exchange its sound to a song heard last night, you end up matching it and bringing it up to rewards and down to mem front

Again you have hit the limits of modern computers, I don’t see how you are going to handle the vast amounts of information this system would have to shift around.

Your ‘memory front’ would have to be Mbytes wide, and 1000’s of TBytes long.  All searched in real time, and all searched every time a sensor/ motor combination is selected.

@keghn

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Are using meta data logic in your sequential data stands, to mark out out areas of recorded data, reward registers, output values, temporal time stamp, and strand branch points?

I was wondering also how the various bits of information are labelled. Unless each piece of sensory input was exactly the same length, and stored in separate arrays.

Every word we speak has a different duration; every phoneme is slightly different between speakers.  How will you mark/ label where one stops and the next starts?  Unless you are going to take a frame, a set period… say 10 ms, but then you have the problem of overlap.  The frame you are looking for could be half in one location and half in another. 

Lastly… again… do you realize the amount of storage/ processing power this technique is going to require.

Edit: I feel like this conversation is heading towards a conclusion that you are not going to like. If you take any comfort or enjoyment from your theories then we can stop.  I'm cool... I just don't wanna be the bad guy lol... and these are only my opinions.
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