sensible design principles for complex systems

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sensible design principles for complex systems
« on: August 08, 2020, 03:30:50 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhiAmSLOymc

Since errors and accidents cannot be avoided, we might as well make systems which can deal with, and even benefit from them. If you can't beat them, join them.
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Re: sensible design principles for complex systems
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2020, 03:07:55 pm »
Natural things resilient,  bloody oath,  maybe we die but our sperm and eggs have survived since the time we were all monkeys!

And white and black people have been with each other since the whites were the first to cross the oceans,  and how can there possibly be still pure whites and pure blacks,  wouldn't everything be mixed by now via nature of the beast?

I bet an Englishman can pop directly out of an African!  = )   doesn't make sense on the surface, but something really funny is going on!!!

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Re: sensible design principles for complex systems
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2020, 02:53:50 am »
my notes as i watched the video:

messy is good
robust genes, can become anything too
start big then slim down
mars rover not robust
need brain like dna to be our new pc
words small output i make new representation - mutation good

now time to process it!:
Messy/specialization or lack of info ex. only a dozen words allow robustness/emergence to/in various problems, such as specializing cells as see fit. Things that aren't statues (neat) transform to repair themselves (messy, but lives longer, neater) and also mutate to find improvements/ dead ends. Big things are more powerful BTW. Distributed (fractal) systems too ex. every city has a farm etc.

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Re: sensible design principles for complex systems
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2020, 04:47:51 pm »
Yes, messiness is a virtue. With NLP a word can have many different contexts and I don't mean from an official definition of the word but from a personal perspective of a word. So a word can be scattered across different contexts in a very sloppy way but that just helps shorten the discovery of a word from a query which then can associate ideas or literally change scopes or contexts of conversations or even problem-solving!  So something like a relational database, which tries to remove all ambiguity,  is the worst approach for an AGI. Personal knowledge is a network of data that is very very messy. 8)

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2020, 05:02:32 pm »
I would like to add that the sloppiness of how knowledge can be networked can even be derived or caused by errors or misunderstandings and/or even redundancies. It all a matter of how the acquisition of information is obtained. But, again, that's a virtue that is counter-intuitive in our technological world where information is gauged by its precision and exactness. Fuzzy knowledge has worked for hundreds of millions of years, we are the ones trying out this new idea of precision and we very quickly discover how brittle that approach can be...

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2020, 05:37:15 am »
It was 21:52 wasn't it :D ??

I agree. Compact fractal tech, general-purpose hardware/software, universal adaptation.
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Re: sensible design principles for complex systems
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2020, 06:49:19 am »
Now I just gotta figure out how to combine toroids, streamlining, and redundancy.