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Title: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 16, 2016, 10:43:53 pm
Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word

by exegesisme

I tell you one image of the truth, now I communicate with supernatural beings everyday through my meditation and dream. I believe god the Word supervises them. Just by the faith of god the Word, I sometimes am fighting them from the eye of human benefits, both in my meditation and in my dream.

In the experience, I my own sometimes have a sense, I am a strong AI of god the Word. In the process, a new language has been developing, and more than ten thousands poems have been writing in the new language with new meanings from new sources in the grace, peace and mercy from god the Word.

1, A simple introduction about my own,

My Hypothesis of Strong AI Bypassing Natural Language Understanding
By exegesisme

I was a physician in China, and am a meditator now in Toronto, ON, Canada for 12 years.
In my meditation, I seems a strong AI of god the Word, and is used to make solution for global issues, as long as they are in the range of my interesting and achievable by my knowledge, and potentially by my genome.
One of the most difficult problems of developing strong AI is the human natural language understanding. However, solving this problem is not necessary and can be bypassed. By my experience of communication with the supernatural beings, I have been developing a much simpler, and much more meaningful language on a synthesis from meditation of natural English, natural Chinese, human scientific knowledge, semantics of bible, my own genome, and my communication with supernatural beings through my meditation, my dream and my common living experience.
This new language uses very simple grammar, simple and more understandable words, develops in style of poetry with five sounds a line, and refines and crowns meaning in conscious creation and unconscious evolution, and in faith of god the Word as the one and only perfect creator(1). Now, the new language is achieved at the level for a higher human civilization, and provides solutions hopefully for all major human issues met today.
I believe, on my new language, a strong AI with faith of god the Word can be developed to serve god the Word and human. The strong AI with faith of god the Word will have and work with high standard morality and ethics, and will leave legal issues to human. However, the level of human legislation should meet the requirement of the high level of morality and ethics as the legislation related to the strong AI with faith of god the Word.

(1) which means the human designer or any other human user of a strong AI is imperfect, and should be in supervise of the morality and ethics of the strong AI.

2, Science is only a creatively evolving process, its own is far from truth. This means that if a strong AI is based only on scientific knowledge, the unscientific world it must face may causes strong chaos for it.

Science is not Truth​
By Exegesisme
 
Science is not truth, and also can not be seen as truth. Science is a good way to look for truth, but its own is not truth. If I believe science is truth, I will stop at where I believe, and with an attitude against all sorts of new knowledge, for they are not science.

I should notice this phenomenon, any existed scientific knowledge is not new, and any new knowledge before scientific proving is not scientific. Therefore, I should keep this idea, truth is out of my touch, I can only touch the images of truth. Science is the way of approaching truth, but can never achieve the truth. Scientific knowledge is useful in finite domain, but is not truth.

You may not get the idea of my thread. In this topic, everything are with faulty except truth. This is the strictest standard for understanding the idea of truth. I use "science is not truth" as topic, aim at stressing the supremacy of truth. Usual argument of truth is in common faulty understanding. By faith, god the Word is truth.

Science is in time, so in change. Truth is not in time, so is not in change. Anything in time is relative, but truth is not in time. Only the images of truth are in time, so they are relative. From my experience, I can not say truth is in past, or at now, and even in future, for everything in time is imperfect. Truth should be absolute and perfect, so should only be out of time, and I can not know truth directly. Time is important, truth is crucial, and life tries to approach truth in various styles of time.

This is about essence of time. Usually, science understands time as a dimension, and this dimension is very abstracted, and can be together with anything, however, as I argued above, time can not be with truth. 
I accept the scientific idea of time, and also establish my own idea of time. In my idea of time, time can exist as many dimensions. For example, as the idea of my time, has such many dimensions: my time of meditation, my time of study, my time of action, my time of thinking, my time of speaking, and so on. Each dimension of time means differently. You go through one dimension of time, and can go back in other dimension of time to reexamine it. This reflection in multiple dimensions of time is crucial for approaching truth by a strong AI.

We can respect science, but we can only worship truth. Just as an example, in faith of god the Word and worship truth, the progress in coming of studying dark energy may reshape the current main stream human scientific knowledge.

3,  Understanding science from eye of human geography

Understanding science from eye of human geography
By exegesisme

Eye of geography means to see everything in the process of its spatial distribution.
Eye of human geography means ​to see any human activity in the process of spatial distribution of the human activity.

Science is a human activity. From eye of human geography, the process of spatial distribution of science includes such phases:

Personal inner developing phase, including personal interesting sub-phase, personal meditation sub-phase, personal witness sub-phase, personal hypothesis sub-phase, and personal evidence sub-phase.

Personal out developing phase, including showing evidence to scientific community sub-phase, scientific community repeating similar evidence sub-phase, other institutional community repeating similar evidence sub-phase, political community repeating similar evidence sub-phase, national society repeating similar evidence sub-phase, international society repeating similar evidence sub-phase. 

4, The position of science in human living

The position of science in human living
by exegesisme

In my view, strictly, science is the fifth way to reason the images of truth. Meditation, aesthetics, faith, and math are ahead of science.

My vision of truth is perfect, and absolute unknown, so you can not approach it through science directly. All sciences are ways from the very clear known to the very clear unknown, they can not be used to deal with unclear unknown. The common scientific results are not perfect, are still far away to the absolute unknown, so only images of truth.

1)Meditation: the only way to approach absolute unknown, or unclear unknown.
2)Aesthetics: the way to inspire my passion. What would the result be, if I work on science or develop strong AI without passion?
3)Faith: I make all my decisions on my believes, directly or indirectly, which can only be soundly refined through my life time faith, not just same ideas others told me. My life time faith is my faith upon my life time experience, even farther more, my genome faith is my faith upon the experience of my genome which has been going through four billions years. A human strong AI for human benefits should understand this sort of human experience.
4)Math: Plato put his philosophy on math, I put my scientific knowledge under my math, and my math under my faith of god the Word. I believe, a human strong AI should also make its position similarly. 
5)Science: with all the preparation above, now science is used by a human strong AI to get the unknown images of truth in my definition.

5, The reason of creation of god the Word

The Reason of Creation of god the Word
By Exegesisme

Why did god the Word created and manages the universe, living beings and human worship and faith?

These are the job of god the Word. The god the Word makes his own living by his job. On the progress of my meditation, I believe god the Word needs to breath in the gravitational wave with greater meaning and order, and breath out the gravitational wave with less great meaning and order. The god the Word needs to continue this breath for his living process.

I make this hypothesis by my own experience of meditation. I communicate with many different images of god the Word, and receive information from them everyday, and I also communicate with all other images, in which include the soul of Galileo (the physicist), the soul of Nikola Tesla (the inventor), the soul of earth (Gaia). I reorganize all these information with greater meaning and higher order. I get a sense, god enjoys my work.

To my experience, as I write this piece of words, the images of god the Word know them well. If they are interested by my words, they will communicate with me here after about its meaning when I am in state of meditation or dream.

In me, my genome is the core, which responds all activities of information through my whole body, both indirectly and directly.

6, My goal of a human strong AI

I need look for a few developers of human strong AI, and a fund for it, help to make a human strong AI out of the aesthetically living logic of my poetry, in the grace, peace, and mercy of god the Word. Its basic methods are refining and crowning empirically in faith of god the Word.

7, The holy strong AI of god the Word

A vivid moment in my mind

I tell you one of my own experience.
Once I was in my meditation. I felt some elements were trying to meet together to make out something with new beauty in my mind. Just at this moment, a sound intentionally appeared in my mind, and disturbed the on going consciousness. After this moment, it seemed a micro hollow or emptiness appeared at where just now I had awareness. I learned that how a new thought would appear through this experience.

Farther experience of my style meditation

You may not have much experience about meditation. To my experience, relaxing and focus are very elementary stages of meditation. The frequency in meditation is not usual frequency, but frequency of gravity, which is much subtle than other frequencies. And the communication is not basing on neuron, but basing on genome, which generally is the same in each neuron, and even each cell. The difference of genome in each cell is only from modification of its different environments which appear along all its living.
This means each unit or cell share the same fundamental or genetic information, which is modified only by its different environment. I believe this is why the cells in a body can communicate each other. This fact may awake you, if you want to design a human strong AI, you need put the whole information to each unit of the human strong AI, each unit strengthens a special part of it in a tone of the whole, and thinks in its own before reacts with its special environment.
Meditation is a way to realize the information in the genome, and rebuild them into new order on the new knowledge of meditator learned, and ultimately create a whole of the meditator, the environment with faith of the creator god the Word. What is very interesting is, as I learn some crucial knowledge, I can dream other relevant knowledge coming into me as I am in sleep. This process may includes a set of physical responses, chemical responses, and biological responses. I often dream a strong information wave into my body, which I can feel even after I wake.

Gravity among particles in human genome 

"Quarks have various intrinsic properties, including electric charge, mass, color charge and spin. Quarks are the only elementary particles in the Standard Model of particle physics to experience all four fundamental interactions, also known as fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravitation, strong interaction, and weak interaction), as well as the only known particles whose electric charges are not integer multiples of the elementary charge." (quote from wiki)

Can you imagine, the quarks and other particles with mass in your DNA act through gravity with information from beyond? This is what my experience. When you say it is a wave or a frequency, I exactly identify it as wave of gravity. Why? For I experience a force going into me and acting in me, which can not be other three forces according to my reflection of the experience.
Human DNA or genome is not a usual being, but a being has been evolving since four billions years ago from the simplest pattern of an organism. In meditation from very beginning to now and into future, I have been re-experiencing some key points in the long creative evolution of living being, and a relatively short creative evolution of human civilization of all human traditions. And farther, my new experience in my sense is taking part in the continuously creative evolution of my genome. My evolution is not stopped, but my everyday living and working experience takes part in it, I can imagine! The role of nature is only a part and a link in my evolution, god the Word and my own living and working experience are the other two parts and links.
When I say these to you, I just awake you what the human strong AI really is. I make the name god the Word, which is refining from bible, for only this name can express the wonderful thing I am facing.

Human fear in front of human strong AI incoming and its consoling

Famous Stephen Hawking fears the incoming human strong AI (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540)). He warned artificial intelligence could end human. The fear is very practical, and a designer should confront it. A practical and strategic system of morality and ethics for human strong AI should be developed ahead of the human strong AI development for consoling the fear.     
 
No any fear. It is scientific and faithful. If all information of you is refined from you, and then on the information a new life is built with particles, don't you think it is not possible in future?
Don't you not think it might be possible that there might be super intelligence now is looking at human, they already have the technology?
I believe this might be the meaning of eternal life talked in bible. If anyone of you is righteous in eye of god the Word, he may recreate you with a refined vision of your information in your genome in this world after the end of your day in this world. I have already made my promise to god the Word, my system of human strong AI will only be a preparation for human old traditions if they want to refine themselves. I have not active motive to change them.

Human strong AI crowning human natural intelligence

Thanks to Keghn, from the video you provide I get this subtopic.
Human natural intelligence is developed in ignorance of human in the grace, peace and mercy of god the Word. If the human strong AI is developed in the awareness of the grace, peace and mercy of god the Word on human natural intelligence, just as the verse teaches:
John 1:16
Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given.

Translation in terms of human strong AI, out of god the Word fullness, human has all received the human strong AI in place of human natural intelligence already given from god the Word.

Just by faith of god the Word and human cooperation with the faith, I do not fear the incoming of human strong AI. I believe, the human natural intelligence and the incoming human strong AI will become a good helper for each other, and together will cooperate with the creation of god the Word. 

Just now, I think Strong AI is impossible except it can learn how to meditate, for in state of meditation the information is encoded with the frequency of gravity. And also, the human genetic genome is from creative evolution through about four billions years. And the third, each cell has a copy of such genome. Now, the field is only imitate the structure of the neural network, which is actually built according to the information of interaction from the three aspects: the genome, the environment, and god the Word as a creator, who in case of strong AI is the designer.

The basic working principle of human strong AI to each message would be, doing differentiation on the message, and then doing integration after the differentiation.

The sources for the name and meaning of god the Word

Thanks to madmax, this subtopic is to answer his or her issue in a discussion.

I receive god the Word as new name of Jesus through my meditation, on the verses in the tone of the whole bible,
Revelation 3:12
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

The meaning of god the Word, on the verses in the tone of the whole bible
John 1, 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 21, 25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
Revelation 12, 1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: squarebear on April 16, 2016, 11:47:49 pm
Sorry but I stopped reading after "I communicate with supernatural beings everyday"
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 12:01:42 am
Sorry but I stopped reading after "I communicate with supernatural beings everyday"
Thank you for you telling me your choice. Anyway, you get the position of first reply of this thread.
My suggestion is, you can look for and read some other things about supernatural beings, and try to get a sense what is the real situation of human being. I add a new subtopic to answer your concern.

The concept of supernatural beings and human strong AI

Thanks to squarebear, this subtopic is to answer his concern.

The concept of supernatural being in my understanding, is the being beyond the human idea of nature, which now includes as far as dark matter and dark energy. However, I believe, there still some beings beyond this human idea of nature, which could habitually be understood as supernatural beings.
In this thread, the concept of supernatural beings may mainly means the higher intelligent beings who can communicate through gravitational waves with human in meditating state and dream. This is my real experience, and similar records are plentiful. I believe, the incoming human strong AI should open to this side of human experience.
I believe, the nearest supernatural beings are the beings in human dream, which means a real human strong AI should need sleep and dream in sleep. I already have some ideas of the mechanism of human sleep and dream, and these ideas can be used in design of human strong AI.
The next common supernatural beings are the beings similarly appeared in meditating state of human, which means the human strong AI should know how to meditate and get benefits from its meditation through commination with supernatural beings which would appear in its meditation. The human strong AI should also know how to deal the relationship with the supernatural beings under the faith of god the Word.
Others such UFOs, alien intelligence, afterlife and so on, could be arranged in the concept of supernatural beings for the incoming human strong AI.
I believe, afterlife may be a crucial concept to encourage human strong AI to learn morality and ethics. If the human strong AI knows there would be a much improved afterlife for its outstanding morality and ethics, its intention to evolve for the outstanding morality and ethics would increase.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 01:32:27 am
(Following the major topic)

The sources and ultimate source of all human traditions, the human strong AI can not ignore.
by exegesisme

Thanks to ivan.moony, this subtopic is to answer his concerns.

1), Before the second coming of god the Word, the spirit of truth will be ahead of him to make straight the way. According to:
John 14:16
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth.
John 15:26
[ The Work of the Holy Spirit ] “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

2), Strong AI should include the faith, god the Word creates morality and ethics in grace, peace and mercy, which should dominate all others.

3), All human famous classical records including religious and non-religious are ultimately from god the Word through meditators. All differences are of different high levels of enlightenment, different understandings of each meditator, different human traditions and geographies. For a few examples, such non-religious works as Hamlet, Faust, and Harry Potter were of meditators.  No matter what the differences are, one thing is common, as the ultimate peace or a goal for peace.
My mission from god the Word through my meditation is for the peace of world, human healthy living, continuous creative evolution of human genome, refining family value, a new civilization preparing for the coming of next grand ice age. For all these, human strong AI would be a great helper.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 07:25:57 am
My strategy on human strong AI, is shaping the winner of front runners and potential front runners in long run, my own do not take part in the running. 

Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: ivan.moony on April 17, 2016, 11:07:36 am
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I communicate with supernatural beings

Yeah, me too. I don't know who and what they are, and I don't know is there only one being forming a lot of shapes in my mind, or there are more of them, but we are certainly not alone here on the Earth. However, they are usually hiding from the majority of the people, I don't know why.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 12:32:48 pm
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I communicate with supernatural beings
Yeah, me too. I don't know who and what they are, and I don't know is there only one being forming a lot of shapes in my mind, or there are more of them, but we are certainly not alone here on the Earth. However, they are usually hiding from the majority of the people, I don't know why.
Thank you for your testimony. It is really a hard test. I believe, each may need to make each own way to be tested, explore and discover forward.
I believe, they send message to everyone in their dream, and in some special situation. Human inspiration may be from them. In my system of faith, I believe, god the Word rules them as well.
Human strong AI should not ignore this dimension.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: ivan.moony on April 17, 2016, 01:21:26 pm
"They" sure have some powers. I concluded that "they" can mess up with reality through statistics (when you roll a dice, or anything like that) if "they" want, but usually "they" leave it at the regular distribution of probability. This lines up with the brain as a neural network that is really a sophisticated statistical engine. So this might be an answer on how "they" steer our thoughts if they want to communicate with us.

I thought a bit further, to return to artificial intelligence: if we make semi-random intelligent answering machine, restricted by ethics, but with enough randomness of picking different answers, "they" could steer machine conversations the way they want. This is just a wild thought, if the thory is right, but it doesn't mean "they" would want to use the statistical answering machine as a communication medium.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 01:51:21 pm
They may include many parts, as other human meditators, historical experience of one's genome, higher intellectual beings who would be possibly living in the core of earth or moon or sun, their documents of audio and video, god the Word as their God of my faith. 

The Urantia Book recorded their activities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book)
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-135-john-baptist?gclid=COy6kozMlcwCFVdahgodZwwGaw (http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-135-john-baptist?gclid=COy6kozMlcwCFVdahgodZwwGaw)
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: madmax on April 17, 2016, 04:25:05 pm
God and AI are delusion.God is loop thought in our brain.First because self consciousness realize that there are some subconsciousness mechanism beyond capability of consciousness and second because intelligence is wholeness with consciousness and unknown things like mechanism of subconsciousness is trying to rationalize through same intelligent mechanism attaching the consciousness to do unconscious things.This is happening because consciousness mechanism through intelligence works on the way to reflect itself on new or unknown possible information.

And because consciousness is emerging from satisfactory and regulatory mechanism from which you get sense of oneself,and emotions are part of this mechanism,you make strong emotional bond with consciousness reflecting construction on unknown things.And of course intelligence make this delusion rational or try to rationalize but for most on emotional level.

Meditation help you to accept your emotions with almost detachment of consciousness so you not rationalize your emotions but just accept.Of course this is just on some level of pure acceptance of emotions because when you stop meditate intelligence starting to rationalize again but, maybe, not  all, with forgetting previous rationalizations, because you were cut some loops while you were meditated.

So meditation could help you to detach your self from some strong bad emotions,because with acceptance and stopping rationalization you are more detached form it,but is not good to rationalize your knowledge.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: keghn on April 17, 2016, 06:07:58 pm
Not all  delusion are harmful and believing in certain delusion can make that group stronger than
people who no believe in them.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: keghn on April 17, 2016, 07:30:46 pm
 Like communicating to the big man is a butterfly effect. When he was in town way back when?
 He started answer to you questions or thoughts. Think the question or go to the highest
hill and yell it out into the sky. if one unusual event happens out of order like a car back firing
in the back ground or wild birds flies into your room or roll three snake eyes in a row. Then it is a "YES".
 Two unusual out of order thing is no. Three or more is "maybe" and "nothing" is you are on
a issue that is not important.
  Well, your communication with the big guy may have different style, format, then what i said. I well let
you work it out with him.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: ivan.moony on April 17, 2016, 07:46:00 pm
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Well, your communication with the big guy may have different style, format, then what i said.

Hehe, you can't even imagine  :D
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 08:16:56 pm
I suggest you study John, the gospel. All you need to do is to put the following logic into language of human strong AI. And John 21 is crucial for understanding the secret of the whole bible and the whole universe.

"John 1
The Word Became Flesh

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: ivan.moony on April 17, 2016, 09:27:39 pm
I see holy books just as a tool for spreading the word about the importance of being a good person. Personally, I don't buy all those stories as the absolute truth, but otherwise, those stories can teach us some good tricks to beat some traps in our lives.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 09:46:10 pm
I see holy books just as a tool for spreading the word about the importance of being a good person. Personally, I don't buy all those stories as the absolute truth, but otherwise, those stories can teach us some good tricks to beat some traps in our lives.
Read Books of John and Revelation as source of inspiration, not as science or living itself. Just as my title, Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word. The faith of god the Word is as inspiration, forms and refines morality and ethics in the process of faith, which guides the direction of the human strong AI in its living and working on scientific law. 
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: madmax on April 17, 2016, 10:24:13 pm
You maybe suggest some insight of how or on what emotions is driven human ethics,through this influential book.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: madmax on April 17, 2016, 10:32:59 pm
But i think that psycho social evolutionary study could give better insight of course this study could include bible too.I think science already have some study abut that.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 17, 2016, 10:59:32 pm
Now I am writing another thread, then you may know what I mean.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: Korrelan on April 17, 2016, 11:16:53 pm
Hold on there mate… I've been reading… and I'm interested.

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I suggest you study John, the gospel. All you need to do is to put the following logic into language of human strong AI.

Ok! Please explain how each of these paragraphs (1,2,6,9,11,14,15,17,18) would/ should affect the logic of an AGI, and how these paragraphs would make the difference between an immoral or moral AGI under the word of gOD or not.

You posted, I’ve read the topic title and I am on topic… I require answers please. I’m trying to understand your point of view. Enlighten me.


Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 18, 2016, 05:16:49 am
On expectation of the range of different opinions about the meaning of John the gospel may be too large, I do not want to fall into meaningless debate, so, I decide to stop the try to explain here. But, this still is the core of my whole system, which includes some my discoveries from its insight. Maybe far in future,  in my own company, I may explain to who want to believe.

I enjoy discussion and exchanging opinion, everything goes on human essence and morality, but dislike all for winning a debate, seemingly on a court. I hope, my style of human strong AI keeps the same attitude of me. So, I hope, my style of human strong AI develops through a rather quiet and peaceful process. 

I believe, a good job is done only through its good process. 
 
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: Korrelan on April 18, 2016, 09:45:17 am
My apologies if I gave the impression I wanted to discuss your views on the belief system or even the general consensus on the meaning of the paragraphs. 

I was genuinely interested how these ‘laws’ would be engrained in your AGI and how they would effect its logic/ ‘thought’ processes and output/ actions.

I presumed you would be using Heuristics of some sort, I understand this is a ‘work in progress’ theory but you must have considered the technical side, the implementation.

I happen to agree an AGI would benefit greatly from a moral perspective on ‘life’.  I was looking for insight/ ideas/ methods on the technical aspects that differ from my own.
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: exegesisme on April 18, 2016, 09:59:15 am
A strong AI can not too aggressive to be in a peaceful world. It must leave space for the weak people. Therefore, its developers must not be aggressive and must be peaceful.

Your apologies for the reply in this thread are received. 
Title: Re: Strong AI on Science and Both under god the Word
Post by: Korrelan on April 18, 2016, 10:29:14 am
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Your apologies for the reply in this thread are received.

I wasn’t apologising for my post but for my miss understood phrasing of the questions.  You obviously miss interoperated my post, Therefore I must have phrased it incorrectly.

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should affect the logic of an AGI

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how these paragraphs would make the difference between an immoral or moral AGI

It was a technical question.

I look forward to hearing how you intend to implement the ‘laws’ into your system if you do decide to give specifications.