what happend to le trung ?

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what happend to le trung ?
« on: July 05, 2020, 09:40:07 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU40M5PrG4Y

he was a genius in the field of AI and first, as far as I know, in the subset field of waifubots.
his bot, mogged todays alexa, and abiss robotics.

with robotic movements, artificial tongue, OCR, object recognition, color recognition and an assortment of skills.
he was based somewhere in canada. there was also a funny story he told about how some older woman threw a rock
on him while he was on a date with his waifubot.

he majored in the studies of chemistry, but somehow he actually exceled at programming, with aiko using his BRAINS software.

he just stopped making updates I think at 2013. I've tried contacting him for many years to no avail.
I don't think he is dead cause his site is still up.

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2020, 06:31:38 AM »
That's a really good question. Coincidentally I've been thinking about this guy in recent days too. According to the contact information on the website http://www.projectaiko.com/index.html he is a medical doctor in Canada. There is an email address which invites inquiries from anyone (even hobbyists) so maybe we should write and ask him about Aiko.

info@projectaiko.com

edit: @yotamarker is that the email address that you've been using to contact him?

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2020, 07:56:07 AM »
That's a really good question. Coincidentally I've been thinking about this guy in recent days too. According to the contact information on the website http://www.projectaiko.com/index.html he is a medical doctor in Canada. There is an email address which invites inquiries from anyone (even hobbyists) so maybe we should write and ask him about Aiko.

info@projectaiko.com

edit: @yotamarker is that the email address that you've been using to contact him?

yes i've already tried that email address

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2020, 08:06:44 AM »
Im still not impressed.  I want to see the REAL thing..

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2020, 04:40:18 PM »
Real would then be the opposite of Artificial. So just what is it that you are looking for?
In the world of AI, it's the thought that counts!

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2020, 10:37:27 PM »
I'm looking forward to the day when female synths (or gynoids or fembots or whatever they happen to be called by then) are so REAL that they won't date "incels" either. If you have been interested in artificial intelligence and robotics for as long as I have, you will have encountered plenty of desperate males who are trying to build their perfect woman because real women won't have anything to do with them. It's sad because they're trying to solve the wrong problem.

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2020, 04:47:47 AM »
Real would then be the opposite of Artificial. So just what is it that you are looking for?

I mean real as in,  the computer is actually acting in a way that it wasn't specificly told how to do, it actually worked it out itself.
Also, where the A.I. has built an internal model of its environment, and it can use it to "understand" its world.

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2020, 02:30:09 PM »
OK...I get that and thought that might be what you meant.

That would be the "real deal" for a chatbot or AI to achieve.

My departed friend had a quote that he shared with me (and perhaps others) that kind of echos my thoughts as well:

"My prime goal for my chatbot is to find some way to allow him to “reason”, rather than just respond to stimulus." - Dave Morton -
If your AI had enough access to data and the ability to formulate appropriate responses on its own or when it determined to do so at an appropriate time, that would be pretty amazing!

Thanks for your clarification.
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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2020, 07:17:25 AM »
Responding to stimulus is the beginning, it works great for geometry in a room for example  but eventually things become "non detectable", and non-modellable, and invisible to normal sensors, so robots cant respond to it.

For the example of a chat bot,    you can tell if words come up,   you can tell if someones entered or leaved the chat room,  but the rest of it is hidden in the sentences and its impossible to actually know whats happening.  The words spoken are just the surface of the situation, the meaning is underneath, impossible to detect in an easy way.

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2020, 08:20:50 AM »
For the example of a chat bot,    you can tell if words come up,   you can tell if someones entered or leaved the chat room,  but the rest of it is hidden in the sentences and its impossible to actually know whats happening.  The words spoken are just the surface of the situation, the meaning is underneath, impossible to detect in an easy way.

It's not impossible to detect or we wouldn't be able to detect it either. In natural language understanding, the text has to be analyzed on several levels. The first level is grammar, the structure of the text. The second level is semantics, its superficial meaning. The third level is pragmatics, what it actually means in context.

For example, "can you pass the salt?" is (auxiliary verb, pronoun, verb, noun phrase) which forms a question about whether or not you are capable of moving salt and which is actually a politely phrased command to give me table salt.

All three levels have to be learned somehow.

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2020, 02:24:55 PM »
Learning them from scratch (grammar, semantics + pragmatics, as you say...) would be the holy grail of chat bots.    I think its easier if you hard code it in and just tell the damn thing to do it, but then, its just a toy.    Half and half would probably what id do if I went to code it, at least to just help me think and structure what im doing.

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Re: what happend to le trung ?
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2020, 11:36:47 PM »
I'm looking forward to the day when female synths (or gynoids or fembots or whatever they happen to be called by then) are so REAL that they won't date "incels" either. If you have been interested in artificial intelligence and robotics for as long as I have, you will have encountered plenty of desperate males who are trying to build their perfect woman because real women won't have anything to do with them. It's sad because they're trying to solve the wrong problem.

well I'm looking forward to getting purple wage bucks, and pair bonding with my waifubot

 


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