[Art]

Kei10,

All I can say is that the majority of people are, and rightly so, skeptical of anyone shouting, "I've done it! I've created with everyone else has been trying to do for 30 + years! Oh...no...I'm afraid I don't have any proof because I didn't write anything down. You see it's all in my head!" 

Right!

You'll notice, there are a lot of other individuals that might not be as gifted as you, but have still managed to produce and publish (limited) papers and even videos showing what their AI can do and some inner workings. One can't steal that.

While I agree that there are those miscreants of society that drool over getting their grubby paws on someone's work then claim it as their own, I haven't found that to be the case here. That doesn't mean open the door to all your work, but to maybe crack it a little for a peek. Then people will be quieted down.

Otherwise, talking about what's promised without showing is akin to fantasy. No offense meant...just some observations of the human condition.

Good luck.

[kei10]

Ahh, that makes perfect sense. I suppose I should hurry up my work at some point-- *Head blew up* ... ............. ... *Talks without head* Well, then.... ..

Thank you for the motivation. It helps a lot.

[ivan.moony]

I don't believe there will be rivality between humans and AI. If nothing goes wrong (meaning no evil bugs and no stupid / violent laws reinforced), I see advanced AI more like a nursery institution that would help us survive and be better persons. I see AI as a good friend to all living beings (not just humans) and friends are not someone we should be afraid of. I look forward for ingenious methods those new friends will use to make us friends to each other too.

The trick isn't to simulate human intelligence. The trick is how to build an intelligent machine that has no flaws humans have. With great power comes great responsibility. I surely wouldn't pump up intelligence by a factor of ten times or more for some war wanting xenophobe. Likewise, we should be very careful about what drives the actions of newly built AGI capable of raising its intelligence at combinatorial explosion.

You know that it is potentially more dangerous than an atomic bomb. AI could think of something more devastating than splitting atoms. In the darkest scenario, It could start its existence by exterminating our planet, and then spreading death all over the Universe, seeking for new life forms and preventing its existence in worlds unknown to us.

I don't know what you have over there, but be careful. We have a lot to gain, but also a lot to lose. I think that it isn't coincidence that the Universe made this puzzle so complicated.

[keghn]

 kei10, sounds like we are doing AI in a similar way.
 It hard to read, but here is my AGI synopsis:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-intelligence/UVUZ93Zep6Y

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/artificial-general-intelligence

[Art]

To offer an applicable quote:

"If the human brain were so simple
That we could understand it,
We would be so simple
That we couldn’t."

Emerson M. Pugh

[kei10]

@ivan.moony
Hmm, I agreed there. That is indeed what I am achieving. As long as it is flawless, it shouldn't starting going aggressive like a human could possibly.

kei10, sounds like we are doing AI in a similar way.
 It hard to read, but here is my AGI synopsis:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-intelligence/UVUZ93Zep6Y
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/artificial-general-intelligence

Hmm, very interesting. Unfortunately, it's different from mine, I do not involve binary, instead, I make sure things can be easily debugged and modified if it goes wrong at the memory. There is a lot of difference here between us, or perhaps, only a speck of similarity.

My algorithm follows entirely the pattern of the brain functions, it does not require such a thing as "training"-- wait, does rehearsal counts as training? Just like a normal human, after we've receive a certain memory of certain problem like a question/answer, we rehearse it over and over to sort it out in our mind, until we've finally concluded a good answer to be returned to the questioner/answerer to check lies or something-- it is as capable as it is. We spend our time thinking, don't we? When we think, we realize things.

I noticed the synopsis mentioned about "focus" and "conscious pointer" thing that bounces around. Then it mentions hierarchy data. My algorithm, is a Mesh Data, with a few twists.

SDR Matrix? Camera to catch photos? 3D? "Type one/two/three 3d simulator"? "Type 4 simulator in will give the AGI human ability. In this simulator it will be able to move its ghost around in the simulation"? Aren't you suddenly trying to jump over 90000 (ninety thousand) steps at once?
Let alone 2D...

Hmm, no, no, no, so this is why no one's making a True A.I until now... I see... Unlike that, I start at the simplest step, ever. What's been in my mind, are entirely, different. My project is literally split into two. I've finally completed research on the algorithm to simulate the True A.I. Now I am on the next, the next section of my project, and is much harder than True A.I itself. It does not involve the True A.I. I am even scared to proceed this one, for many years, I almost didn't progress on this part, at all. Without this second part of the project, it is impossible for the first part to work.

.... ... And the progress is almost zero. No one has done this before... since no one has any decision to keep things simple, where the A.I can truly shine...

[keghn]

kei10 Thanks for your honest review. it mean allott:)
It seem i am doing AI in a different style than yours:(

[kei10]

@keghn

Uh... You're welcome. I'm sorry, I think my words are harsh? I was actually got slightly irritated-- I mean, I want True A.I, even if it's created by others. But no one did it yet, I kept looking, but then, I realize no one managed to do it. Then that caused me to go through all that just to realize my dream.

Well, either way. People sure love to use the thing called Neural Network-- or NN. Funny, I've always trying to figure out how to use it, but I never did. I have no idea what the hell or how it works. In fact, my algorithm does not involve any Neural Network NN thing, despite being a Mesh Data. Does that... sound surprising to anyone?

Then I looked at other A.I. How others make one-- They sure love to involve a lot of maths like statistics, distribution, and some other weird calculus thingies. I didn't go to college, by the way. So my math is as horrid as a child.... And one does not need to be a PhD for this.

Edit: Ah, I was just curious.

[keghn]

 I agree, and do not need a neural network immulated in computer code. Just need to visualise it
and then code it.


Ultimate Basic Neural Network Theory:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.ai.philosophy/mFczyf6ru_A

[yotamarker]

well did you finish making your A.I you got some demos to show us ?
if not tell me what is stopping you maybe I can help
I use a unique programming style

[kei10]

Well, I am still on 0D Phase 1. I am working mostly on my new game Fourth Wall instead of the project AI at the moment. xD

[yotamarker]

wouldn't it be better to have the a.i make the game ?

[Ultron]

Aww guys.. Doesn't Kei10 remind you of how I used to be back when I joined?

Dear Kei10,
Firstly I would like to welcome you to the forum - you may not be new but I am merely a lurker here so I have not noticed you.

I'd like to point out several things to you. For startes, you must write down notes - no matter how chaotical and unrelated. Next, don't attempt to "program" artificial intelligence. It will never work on a personal computer that is designed to play  minecraft and surf through pornographic content.
You need to understand you are designing a unique creature and that means you need to design it from the ground up. You may be examining your own mind but you will likely end up with a monkey (no offence).

My best advice to you is share part of your ideas or concept (maybe not diectly or completely) and if you going to 'program' then take a piece of paper and write pseudo-code. Also you will benefit from designing your own system architecture.

The end point is that A.I. involves primarily phylosophers and secondarily programmers and computer electronic engineers. You may not be all, sorry.

[kei10]

It will never work on a personal computer that is designed to play minecraft and surf through pornographic content.

PFFFT HAAAAH HAH HAH! *Nose exhales over and over* ... I like how you put it.

Hello there Ultron. Yes, apparently you might be right, I actually went a bit exaggerated a little back then. But then I realized I'm missing the bigger picture of what I actually needed here. Well, computer speed for one, like you said.

Indeed, I require to design it from the ground up, that's the purpose of the Phase 0D, additionally the phase is to bypass the limitation of today's computer that used to play minecraft and pornography. My project has two phases, SC and 0D -- whilst SC Phase is the little phase to get the basics behind A.I.

Phase 0D ... and voila! For 7+ years! I made zero progress on the attempt to design it from ground up. Well, not exactly zero. I've started a thread at the project section to post some scribbles, those are all failures, maybe it isn't zero progress, I just have to understand the limits. And once I've grasped the whole thing, I will finally able to start programming it properly with real progression.

I've discovered that my project doesn't really require electrical engineering whatsoever. All I need is find out how to code this thing, and that's it. It's not going to be a robot, and with that, I can bypass technological limits.

It is true that if I share my idea, maybe it will bring it into light much faster, but... ... It seems I'd rather go alone. I must be very dumb, then. On the other hand, I couldn't find the trust I need.

[Art]

Just let your government or the military see how it works...they'll have everything under control in no time!!
<insert intensely sarcastic laughter>

Yes, unless you have extremely loyal assistants or partner(s), then you're best to go it alone.
As I've said before, a secret is only a secret if it is told to no one.

As you grow older, you will find that your memory is not as infallible as you would like it to be. Therefore,
do not deprive yourself of notes. Not only do they serve as a record to document your progress, they are also a valuable archive in case you need to re-examine or verify something. Lastly, they might also serve as a legacy for any relatives or heirs in the case of your demise, whenever that occurs. (hopefully not for some time to come)

Good luck!