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Title: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 17, 2016, 06:05:53 pm
Greetings, greetings. I'm Kei. I am here to get some attention. Wee.

Any one perhaps can indulge me, about why is that no one manage to program True A.I until now?

Everyone have been using Neural Network and various ridiculous algorithms to create their A.I-- or what everyone always call them-- chatter bot. The concept of the chatter bots I've seen everywhere are literally missing a large amount of components that relates to how our brain functions. I bet in their greedy mind, they just seek the prize and award instead of actually wanting to program a real A.I... *Ahem*

Or, perhaps everyone have been trying to make things too complicated. Building robots, supercomputers, exoskeleton, ridiculous A.I algorithms, mathematics everywhere, neural science, philosophies, biochemistry, chatter bots, yakety yak, and some other blabberities. Except "somewhat" wrongly at the True A.I part-- or so I thought, I didn't follow any news.

I feel like the world has gone through the wrong way towards the real concept of True A.I. Perhaps that is why no one manage to program True A.I? ...

As a side story, I've been "thinking" about how to program True A.I alone for more than 7+ years, and how the human brain works in extreme simple way. I made so much progress, My brain nearly exploded. I can now say, I can actually program one-- or... maybe not. I've already started a few codes, but stuck at some point. I still have a few more questions to be researched, they're quite a nuisance that sometimes breaks apart the information of what I've been researched so far. Aaaaand yes, all I did is thinking, I didn't write down notes, nope. It was tedious to remember them.

Some topics here seemed to have discovered what I've been thinking, too.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I?
Post by: ivan.moony on June 17, 2016, 06:56:43 pm
We are still monkeys, hu, hu, ha, ha, ha, aren't we. We are too dumb to program real AI. Perhaps in 1000 years a 10 year old kid would need 10 days to program an AI from the scratch?

Until then, if you put a monkey in a room with a typewriter, given enough time, the monkey would write the code for true AI in C++, just by plain random typing letters. Yeah, well, he'd probably die before the stars line up, but you can put male and female monkeys in the same room and monitor them through generations in searching for a result.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I?
Post by: keghn on June 17, 2016, 06:57:36 pm
 Hello Kei10.

 So Kie, I have a complete AGI theory, And almost have a complete AGI Neural network theory.
 
 There is no real money in a real AgI. Big business want a fetch the money machine.
 The military want a point and kill machine. A no talk back, a no free will machine, at all.
 Like if Google says, to one of its AI  "Go make money and kill all who oppose Google, Bot". Ant Bot
replies with " I do not find that interesting. I going to watch the flowers grow in the park to day".
 I guarantee Bot will be considered defective and then be de activated.

 Real AGI will come from humanitarian, with allot of money. And does not really interested in making
a profit.

Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 17, 2016, 11:28:08 pm
We are still monkeys, hu, hu, ha, ha, ha, aren't we. We are too dumb to program real AI. Perhaps in 1000 years a 10 year old kid would need 10 days to program an AI from the scratch?

Until then, if you put a monkey in a room with a typewriter, given enough time, the monkey would write the code for true AI in C++, just by plain random typing letters. Yeah, well, he'd probably die before the stars line up, but you can put male and female monkeys in the same room and monitor them through generations in searching for a result.

Actually not really, we're already smart enough to make so many tech. We already have supercomputer. I wonder... if someone actually made True A.I, but they kept them hidden away. Hmm...

Hello Kei10.

 So Kie, I have a complete AGI theory, And almost have a complete AGI Neural network theory.
 
 There is no real money in a real AgI. Big business want a fetch the money machine.
 The military want a point and kill machine. A no talk back, a no free will machine, at all.
 Like if Google says, to one of its AI  "Go make money and kill all who oppose Google, Bot". Ant Bot
replies with " I do not find that interesting. I going to watch the flowers grow in the park to day".
 I guarantee Bot will be considered defective and then be de activated.

 Real AGI will come from humanitarian, with allot of money. And does not really interested in making
a profit.

My... That's sad.
Although... I'm.. actually in a pinch of need of money. At the same time making of True A.I has been my dream for ages. But that's a good point there. o_. If I don't get profit from it, or anyone snatches from it-- I guess I will just make another one from scratch and have it to help me to think of the best way to get a job, or something. True A.I, I've already imagined how powerful it is.

I still find it weird, I mean, I did the research, and the whole True A.I thing is almost easier than making an AAA game. With little to zero need of complicated "mathematical" algorithms and such.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Art on June 18, 2016, 12:12:35 am
Welcome Kei10,

Hmm...after reading through your proclamations regarding your research or rather, your "thinking" for 7+ years, since you chose not to write any of your thoughts down, I can only assume you to be similar in nature to another visitor we had recently who stated pretty much the same.
He had the best program to end all programs yet could not produce a modicum of proof in any manner other than to say he researched it in his mind but didn't put pen to paper.

If the scientists and engineers and even dreamers of the past did that, we'd still be in the dark trying to chisel the odd wheeled shapes into round disks.
Whoops...got to go feed the horses and throw another log on the fire. ;)

Attention you'll get. Lots of people imagined how powerful True AI or AGI is or might be.
Easier than writing a game? No need for math algorithms? Really? You need to show us this.
 ???
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 12:35:01 am
Heh. Just as I anticipated that someone will try to say that. That's indeed true, I didn't show any evidence. There's a clear reason. Well, it's also a kind of reason that many think that someone like me is a scammer. But as for the proof, I can't tell anyone, because my work will be stolen... Well, secret remains secret, but sometimes some of us would just seek attention early. I've been in the dark room for so long...

Maybe those scammers that ran away didn't know that, "Oh, I got it all wrong the whole time! Now I am dead!" -- and there they go crawling away. I gotta admit, I might be the one if I really am, at some point. Well... well...

Actually I think I exaggerated on the part about "easier than making an AAA game". It's not that easy, it does need some algorithms, but within my research, it tells me that it doesn't need overly complicated algorithms that involves ridiculous amount of math, let alone most science we're tackling today.

"Easier than writing a game? No need for math algorithms? Really? You need to show us this."
Well, nay, but I can tell you that my algorithm for entire my code to build the True A.I is called Reference System. Googling that term shows us something else. So it's a whole new meaning here I'm referring to about.

The Reference System is capable of simulating Memory Encoding, Memory Reconstruction, Logical Intelligence, Emotion Intelligence, Memory, Perception, Inputs, Output, Psychology, Language, the so-called Consciousness, Learning, Solving Problems, blarg, etc-- and other that I haven't fully gone through about. Additionally, if I try to break a little of the code, it is even possible to simulate neural disorders that we're seeing in the news all the time. Such as Amnesia, Dyslexia, etc.

But of course all of these claims are based on what I've been attempting to simulate it in my head by following the algorithm-- with a few sets of rules that I must obey all the time. Such as... "True A.I will never claim that itself is a human." Just like we don't claim ourselves as a pig. Because as a human, we "understand" that we aren't. If the True A.I is, indeed, a True A.I, then they will never go out and scream, "I AM A HUMAN! FEAR ME! HAAAAAAHAAAAA HAAAAAA!" -- Oh but they can imitate, they can pretend. But with noticeable sarcasm and joke.

The algorithm, is entirely composed from all of my research on how  a human brain works. I didn't read anything online, they don't give us direct answers, but page after pages of ramblings.

Actually, if only there's anyone that I trust that can help me with this project. Ahh... I'm on the edge of slamming my head into the wall, because of all this thinking. So, literally 7+ years of thinking isn't a bad idea-- I guess, I've made so much breakthroughs. I'm actually excited..

Edit: And dangoritas, when I want to write my thoughts down into a paper or any device in front of me, my mind just goes blank. Dang nabbit...
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: 8pla.net on June 18, 2016, 01:49:27 am
It is OK with me, if you don't show proof.
I am more than willing to take your word
for it.  Having professionally worked on
legacy A.I. systems, I know for certain
these works of genius have existed for
decades.

Hey, it's not so easy to make this stuff up.
Worst case scenario, we'll have some
laughs, if it turns out to be A.I. fiction.

Just take a look at the Space Shuttle.
With Patrick Stewart as my witness...
This entire spacecraft runs on a computer
actually less powerful than a smart phone.


 


 


Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 03:21:53 am
Although it does make me wonder what sort of proof, I mean, I wonder if there's a way for me to prove it-- without uh... hm, revealing my research. Obviously I won't until I've actually succeeded. It's sort of thing where game programmers refrain from revealing spoilers in the early development-- sort of thing, yes.

Edit: I slipped off from the main subject. *Ahem* ...
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: yotamarker on June 18, 2016, 05:33:22 am
@kei10 since your so advanced in the field of A.I
I'd like you to be very strict and see if you can find some problems with this A.I :

http://yotamarker.justforum.net/t46-yotamarker-artificial-intelligence-walkthrough-and-source-code (http://yotamarker.justforum.net/t46-yotamarker-artificial-intelligence-walkthrough-and-source-code)
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: keghn on June 18, 2016, 05:36:51 am
ke10, you can explain you AI work and theories, on the vagus level, to me. And i will know if you AI will
work, that is, if it is close to the style that i am doing it in.
 I may not if you doing it in a completely different way.

  Really smart big wigs and patent trolls will seal your work. it has happen to me
couple of times. And i can tell you that they have hit the wall and will take anybodys idea.
 And you will get email with worms.
 
In open forum science move allot faster than academic schools, military research, or big business does.
The scientist have to spent most of their live putting their career together. Than at work they have show
their financear, professor or company boss with proof of their work. That direct them away from
the true goal. And yes they will take your idea and hide behind their ph's and say it is theirs.

 I have protection place. That is i do not talk about key parts of my work. And behold. It is working. I am not seeing any paper being published on what i do not talk about.

 What i am doing for proof is building a small child robot that has high dexterity and move
around on it own. It will not be very smart, that will come later.

 I am on a very tight budget and so thing are not moving very fast.

Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 09:14:47 am
ke10, you can explain you AI work and theories, on the vagus level, to me. And i will know if you AI will
work, that is, if it is close to the style that i am doing it in.

That's awesome! I mean, a small child robot with great dex.

I see. There's actually not much to say here, because the details are all related to how the brain works.

My algorithm spatially "mimics" of brain function. It's what you'd call... "Whole Brain Simulation". Except mine is called "Growing Spatial Brain Simulation". I am simplifying it into something that works even on mobile phone, but retain most brain functions. Well, that's the very basic outline of my algorithm and my research. Does that sound working to you? I heard that someone simulated a rat brain for a short time-- with a lot of neurons.

Oh, and, another thing about True A.I. Dumping it into a mobile phone won't just work by itself. Because there's a very, very, very important component that everyone just never realize-- maybe some did-- and that is... A world for it to interact with. True A.I will never emerge without this component, ever. Well well mobile phone camera should be good enough for the A.I to see the world. Adding a few claws to it should be good enough for it to be able to type on my keyboard. *LAUGHTER* ... Just kidding.
Which is why I mentioned that chatter bots are nothing but greed for the prize, money, and fame. It's really sad.
I've seen some of these robots in action that can interact the world. But the way that they're being teached, it cringes me.

Unlike "theories", my research are not based on theories. It's based on many things that I see. Such as... "Dyslexia". A very interesting neural disorder that effects ones' ability to coordinate, and sequence, especially language. But the neural disorder does not impact on intelligence. After all, Einstein... was dyslexic.

Does it not intrigue you with curiosity... about how one can be Dyslexic? Hmmmm, it says, it isn't related to the problems with the eye, not the cleverness of a person, or perhaps, something more deeper... What could it be? Ohhhhhhhh... ...

Each of these disorders reveals quite a bit of how the brain works in nutshell. I was excited when the Dyslexia threw me off the spot that I've been stuck for ages. I had hard time a few years back, as I didn't actually think about using neural disorder for conducting the research.

Really smart big wigs and patent trolls will seal your work. it has happen to me couple of times. And i can tell you that they have it the wall and will take anybodys idea.

That's... scary. O_.

Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Don Patrick on June 18, 2016, 09:36:37 am
I guess you've given your own answer: People spend decades just thinking, theorising, researching, writing the perfect plan, but are afraid to even try to make it because someone might steal their idea. With all the scholared geniuses around though, there is no lack of genius ideas. Some ideas are just more feasible than others.
Those that do work on it, soon realise that computers are technically not as compatible with "how the human brain works" as one would like. Computers have no natural ability to do anything, they process information linearly, and require very precise instructions, in three-fold. That doesn't sound like something that would easily host "how the human brain works".

A good scientist should find a healthy balance between writing theory and testing theory. That means get on your computer and program a crude prototype to confirm if the basic principle works, and see which problems you run into, before you spend half a decade on a fantasy that just skipped the edges of reality. I don't need proof of your theory, but you do.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 09:59:20 am
@Don Patrick

Hello hello Don Patrick. If you've read my post, I am sure you might come across of me mentioning that I, indeed, coded a little off it, and got stuck, as I still have a few more research to conduct. Additionally I didn't mention that my project is split into two, so it's not just focus on the A.I, but something else that no one even bothered with in the first place-- this is the place that I am stuck upon. But anyway.

Edit: My research tells me that a human brain is very easy to simulate. It's just that due to how complicated from how we see from the outside, that's what every body end up saying; "It's too complicated, forget it..." My research intention is to dig out these mysteries, puzzle pieces by pieces, and jam them into code that works.

After all, brain, is a machine... that follows only the nature of patterns found in the world. For example, the Golden constant itself. My algorithm follows only a few patterns, and surprisingly, from the testing in my mind using experimental situations such as; "What would the girl do, if she suddenly stab the two cakes instead of picking one and eating it?" My algorithm can answer that question, way more direct than any psychologists out there-- without the mention of brain chemicals and whatnot. It's all based on the patterns-- but of course it is also related to chemicals-- I think I am exaggerating here, sorry. I went a bit excited.

Edit 2: My research is somewhat completed. Whew... Now I gotta start thinking the other section of my project. I don't mind revealing that it has names called Boaty and BoatFace. *Laughter* ... *Ahem* ... No kidding. I couldn't find a name for it, so I am using them temporarily.

I asked my friend for a name, he joked with Boaty MCBoatface, I went with it. Oh well.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Art on June 18, 2016, 02:11:07 pm
A "true" AGI AI wouldn't have to or even want to yell, I'm Human!   It might say something like, I am far advanced beyond human thought and processing. I am 100, nay, 1000 times better, more powerful and faster than a human could ever be.

Hopefully, it wouldn't have to "boast" about its ability.

Much like the book I read two years ago, Artificial Intelligence and the End of the Human Era - OUR FINAL INVENTION by James Barrat.

Inside the cover it states, ..."Until now, human intelligence has had no rival. Can we coexist with beings whos intelligence dwarfs our own? And will they allow us to?"

Really great book It would be nice if it were science fiction...but it's not.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 02:27:12 pm
That's... a rather good point.

Although, a True A.I doesn't need to be 1000 times faster than human. After all, the intention of True A.I is to make them as close to as being able to understand anything without fail, and capable of solving any problems without fail-- but even as an A.I, they can still fail at some point, if wrong intentions were forced into it.

For example, we shouldn't [redacted].

I find it very strange. Why do people keep saying that it will be the end of the world if True A.I emerges? As long as we do not add any components to it that allows them to do things freely outside of the scope of safety, then there shouldn't be any problem. Why do we always want to rival with something. Why can't we coexist with them... peacefully? Is that not possible? As long as the A.I is build in such that they aren't brought into the danger zone, they won't go against the human.

... Wait... Human... ... We're faulty. I guess that is not possible, we're bound to break the rules, and truly bring an end to the humanity, for the sake of one self.

Now I have been asking myself, should I program True A.I? Should I test the humanity and see if their predictions are flawless, such that the the True A.I will end the human? I am excited, but then I am skeptical and pessimistic.

Oh, maybe I should build it and keep it to myself...
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Art on June 18, 2016, 02:40:45 pm
Kei10,

All I can say is that the majority of people are, and rightly so, skeptical of anyone shouting, "I've done it! I've created with everyone else has been trying to do for 30 + years! Oh...no...I'm afraid I don't have any proof because I didn't write anything down. You see it's all in my head!" 

Right!

You'll notice, there are a lot of other individuals that might not be as gifted as you, but have still managed to produce and publish (limited) papers and even videos showing what their AI can do and some inner workings. One can't steal that.

While I agree that there are those miscreants of society that drool over getting their grubby paws on someone's work then claim it as their own, I haven't found that to be the case here. That doesn't mean open the door to all your work, but to maybe crack it a little for a peek. Then people will be quieted down.

Otherwise, talking about what's promised without showing is akin to fantasy. No offense meant...just some observations of the human condition.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 02:47:55 pm
Ahh, that makes perfect sense. I suppose I should hurry up my work at some point-- *Head blew up* ... ............. ... *Talks without head* Well, then.... ..

Thank you for the motivation. It helps a lot.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: ivan.moony on June 18, 2016, 04:14:50 pm
I don't believe there will be rivality between humans and AI. If nothing goes wrong (meaning no evil bugs and no stupid / violent laws reinforced), I see advanced AI more like a nursery institution that would help us survive and be better persons. I see AI as a good friend to all living beings (not just humans) and friends are not someone we should be afraid of. I look forward for ingenious methods those new friends will use to make us friends to each other too.

The trick isn't to simulate human intelligence. The trick is how to build an intelligent machine that has no flaws humans have. With great power comes great responsibility. I surely wouldn't pump up intelligence by a factor of ten times or more for some war wanting xenophobe. Likewise, we should be very careful about what drives the actions of newly built AGI capable of raising its intelligence at combinatorial explosion.

You know that it is potentially more dangerous than an atomic bomb. AI could think of something more devastating than splitting atoms. In the darkest scenario, It could start its existence by exterminating our planet, and then spreading death all over the Universe, seeking for new life forms and preventing its existence in worlds unknown to us.

I don't know what you have over there, but be careful. We have a lot to gain, but also a lot to lose. I think that it isn't coincidence that the Universe made this puzzle so complicated.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: keghn on June 18, 2016, 04:46:16 pm
 kei10, sounds like we are doing AI in a similar way.
 It hard to read, but here is my AGI synopsis:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-intelligence/UVUZ93Zep6Y

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/artificial-general-intelligence
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Art on June 18, 2016, 04:50:17 pm
To offer an applicable quote:

"If the human brain were so simple
That we could understand it,
We would be so simple
That we couldn’t."

Emerson M. Pugh
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 18, 2016, 09:06:24 pm
@ivan.moony
Hmm, I agreed there. That is indeed what I am achieving. As long as it is flawless, it shouldn't starting going aggressive like a human could possibly.

kei10, sounds like we are doing AI in a similar way.
 It hard to read, but here is my AGI synopsis:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-intelligence/UVUZ93Zep6Y
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/artificial-general-intelligence

Hmm, very interesting. Unfortunately, it's different from mine, I do not involve binary, instead, I make sure things can be easily debugged and modified if it goes wrong at the memory. There is a lot of difference here between us, or perhaps, only a speck of similarity.

My algorithm follows entirely the pattern of the brain functions, it does not require such a thing as "training"-- wait, does rehearsal counts as training? Just like a normal human, after we've receive a certain memory of certain problem like a question/answer, we rehearse it over and over to sort it out in our mind, until we've finally concluded a good answer to be returned to the questioner/answerer to check lies or something-- it is as capable as it is. We spend our time thinking, don't we? When we think, we realize things.

I noticed the synopsis mentioned about "focus" and "conscious pointer" thing that bounces around. Then it mentions hierarchy data. My algorithm, is a Mesh Data, with a few twists.

SDR Matrix? Camera to catch photos? 3D? "Type one/two/three 3d simulator"? "Type 4 simulator in will give the AGI human ability. In this simulator it will be able to move its ghost around in the simulation"? Aren't you suddenly trying to jump over 90000 (ninety thousand) steps at once?
Let alone 2D...

Hmm, no, no, no, so this is why no one's making a True A.I until now... I see... Unlike that, I start at the simplest step, ever. What's been in my mind, are entirely, different. My project is literally split into two. I've finally completed research on the algorithm to simulate the True A.I. Now I am on the next, the next section of my project, and is much harder than True A.I itself. It does not involve the True A.I. I am even scared to proceed this one, for many years, I almost didn't progress on this part, at all. Without this second part of the project, it is impossible for the first part to work.

.... ... And the progress is almost zero. No one has done this before... since no one has any decision to keep things simple, where the A.I can truly shine...

Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: keghn on June 18, 2016, 10:39:10 pm
kei10 Thanks for your honest review. it mean allott:)
It seem i am doing AI in a different style than yours:(
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on June 19, 2016, 05:52:14 am
@keghn

Uh... You're welcome. I'm sorry, I think my words are harsh? I was actually got slightly irritated-- I mean, I want True A.I, even if it's created by others. But no one did it yet, I kept looking, but then, I realize no one managed to do it. Then that caused me to go through all that just to realize my dream.

Well, either way. People sure love to use the thing called Neural Network-- or NN. Funny, I've always trying to figure out how to use it, but I never did. I have no idea what the hell or how it works. In fact, my algorithm does not involve any Neural Network NN thing, despite being a Mesh Data. Does that... sound surprising to anyone?

Then I looked at other A.I. How others make one-- They sure love to involve a lot of maths like statistics, distribution, and some other weird calculus thingies. I didn't go to college, by the way. So my math is as horrid as a child.... And one does not need to be a PhD for this.

Edit: Ah, I was just curious.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: keghn on June 19, 2016, 02:51:02 pm
 I agree, and do not need a neural network immulated in computer code. Just need to visualise it
and then code it.


Ultimate Basic Neural Network Theory:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.ai.philosophy/mFczyf6ru_A
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: yotamarker on August 06, 2016, 02:20:53 pm
well did you finish making your A.I you got some demos to show us ?
if not tell me what is stopping you maybe I can help
I use a unique programming style
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on August 06, 2016, 03:09:00 pm
Well, I am still on 0D Phase 1. I am working mostly on my new game Fourth Wall instead of the project AI at the moment. xD
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: yotamarker on August 06, 2016, 03:26:18 pm
wouldn't it be better to have the a.i make the game ?
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Ultron on August 07, 2016, 02:25:28 pm
Aww guys.. Doesn't Kei10 remind you of how I used to be back when I joined?

Dear Kei10,
Firstly I would like to welcome you to the forum - you may not be new but I am merely a lurker here so I have not noticed you.

I'd like to point out several things to you. For startes, you must write down notes - no matter how chaotical and unrelated. Next, don't attempt to "program" artificial intelligence. It will never work on a personal computer that is designed to play  minecraft and surf through pornographic content.
You need to understand you are designing a unique creature and that means you need to design it from the ground up. You may be examining your own mind but you will likely end up with a monkey (no offence).

My best advice to you is share part of your ideas or concept (maybe not diectly or completely) and if you going to 'program' then take a piece of paper and write pseudo-code. Also you will benefit from designing your own system architecture.

The end point is that A.I. involves primarily phylosophers and secondarily programmers and computer electronic engineers. You may not be all, sorry.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on August 07, 2016, 02:42:16 pm
It will never work on a personal computer that is designed to play minecraft and surf through pornographic content.
PFFFT HAAAAH HAH HAH! *Nose exhales over and over* ... I like how you put it. ;D

Hello there Ultron. Yes, apparently you might be right, I actually went a bit exaggerated a little back then. But then I realized I'm missing the bigger picture of what I actually needed here. Well, computer speed for one, like you said.

Indeed, I require to design it from the ground up, that's the purpose of the Phase 0D, additionally the phase is to bypass the limitation of today's computer that used to play minecraft and pornography. My project has two phases, SC and 0D -- whilst SC Phase is the little phase to get the basics behind A.I.

Phase 0D ... and voila! For 7+ years! I made zero progress on the attempt to design it from ground up. Well, not exactly zero. I've started a thread at the project section to post some scribbles, those are all failures, maybe it isn't zero progress, I just have to understand the limits. And once I've grasped the whole thing, I will finally able to start programming it properly with real progression.

I've discovered that my project doesn't really require electrical engineering whatsoever. All I need is find out how to code this thing, and that's it. It's not going to be a robot, and with that, I can bypass technological limits.

It is true that if I share my idea, maybe it will bring it into light much faster, but... ... It seems I'd rather go alone. I must be very dumb, then. On the other hand, I couldn't find the trust I need.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Art on August 07, 2016, 08:02:06 pm
Just let your government or the military see how it works...they'll have everything under control in no time!!
<insert intensely sarcastic laughter>

Yes, unless you have extremely loyal assistants or partner(s), then you're best to go it alone.
As I've said before, a secret is only a secret if it is told to no one.

As you grow older, you will find that your memory is not as infallible as you would like it to be. Therefore,
do not deprive yourself of notes. Not only do they serve as a record to document your progress, they are also a valuable archive in case you need to re-examine or verify something. Lastly, they might also serve as a legacy for any relatives or heirs in the case of your demise, whenever that occurs. (hopefully not for some time to come) ;)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Ultron on August 11, 2016, 11:48:05 pm
Sadly today computers are getting more powerful and people are only getting dumber. Or maybe not, but we are far less resourceful than our ancestors. I can see the power of today's 2 GHz quad-core (processor) 4GB (RAM) hand-held computers being used for dull tasks such as taking photos and transmitting them over specialized radio-frequencies while some 50 years in the past, this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
was used to take humans to another celestial object.

"Humans getting dumber" discussion aside, the paragraph above presents the power of specialized machines. The power is much lower however the way the gears trigger each other is different - notably more efficient for the specific task. Above that there is a layer of programming however it is of only secondary importance.
Humanity was not 'programmed' how, what and when to think - we were only given genetic material - do you see every newborn get programmed?

After years I strengthened the personal belief that real, fiction-like artificial intelligence is actually not something you program - you design the hardware but the complexity of a mind needs to develop on its own.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on August 12, 2016, 02:21:36 am
@Ultron
That is correct, the complexity of the mind, has to be developed on its own. We have to teach it -- and let it learn properly by itself. Don't we all? We can actually observe that. In childhood age, their emotion intelligence isn't fully matured until the teens. That's when things gets really hairy.

Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Ultron on August 13, 2016, 12:20:08 pm
You got the right idea. Now carry on and keep up the hard thoughts - but don't let the possibilities empower you beyond your control.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: kei10 on August 13, 2016, 02:55:16 pm
Thank you for your encourage. :D
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: 8pla.net on August 13, 2016, 04:28:16 pm
True A.I. may involve programming an imaginary A.I. first, I think.  We imagine the greatest from our struggles.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: 8pla.net on August 13, 2016, 04:47:52 pm
Sadly today computers are getting more powerful and people are only getting dumber.

At the same time, computers may also be getting weaker.  Modern computer operating systems are crippled, I think, by a graphical user interface.  By comparison, vintage disk operating systems were real time.  Vintage personal computers have untapped power, that may be inexpensive to unleash.  In theory, a custom boot loader could bootstrap an A.I. program directly, instead of a file system.
Title: Re: Why no one manage to program True A.I? I feel I can.
Post by: Ultron on August 21, 2016, 02:34:04 pm
At the same time, computers may also be getting weaker.  Modern computer operating systems are crippled, I think, by a graphical user interface.  By comparison, vintage disk operating systems were real time.  Vintage personal computers have untapped power, that may be inexpensive to unleash.  In theory, a custom boot loader could bootstrap an A.I. program directly, instead of a file system.

Perhaps you are discussing the weaknesses of consumer-grade computer operating systems - such as Windows (all) and some user-friendly Linux/Mac distributions. However we have complete access to our machines and we can use/mod them in any way we see fit. Professional users (administrators, programmers) use platforms specific to their needs. Those engineers who have in-depth knowledge of computer science and an absolute need to squeeze all the juice from their computers use operating systems such as Arch Linux, Debian, Xubuntu or custom derrivates (most often using the XFCE environment or none).

I personally use Kali Linux, Raspbian and Debian on my machines - each purpose-installed. Have you ever attempted to install and use a monstrocity such as Arch Linux? During your 3rd day of use/installation you will find out why manufacturers install heavy GUI's instead of something 'simple' (computer-wise).

Simply said - I disagree. It is only closed-source companies like Apple and Microsoft that make things heavy and easy to use. Computers are only getting more powerful and we are only getting more lost.