[ivan.moony]

I love Your every shortcoming: that's what makes You a human.
I love Your every virtue: that's what makes You a God.

Pick up the ratio on Your own. I don't have the right to change Your perfection.

 

[ranch vermin]

For god your soul,  Your victory to the devil.

[Art]

Ahh...religion...the ultimate illusion.

Not so much an A.I. topic.

[ranch vermin]

aha

but how do you know your not in a comforting illusion yourself?

[ivan.moony]

I think that ethics is really important part of AI. Everyone who tries to make a true AI tries to build it measuring her/his own mind. And if that mind is a mess... God help us if she/he succeeds. So there you have also a religion related to AI.

[Data]

Interesting.

A.I and religion were both invented by Man, so there are some similarities.

Having an intelligent A.I believe in a supreme being that can't be proved is, at best, controversial and at worst, very dangerous.

We only have to look to the middle east to see what is being done in his name.

I strongly believe A.I should be based on Science and fact, there is no reason why caring for all things can't be included. 

Just my Sunday morning take. 

[ivan.moony]

I agree, hardcoding ten commands or something like it is out of the question.

But as we still can not prove that God exists, we can't dis-prove it either. Really smart AI would leave the question opened in the lack of evidence.

And yet, maybe super simple answer is laying in the question: what was before, a chicken or an egg? Maybe we don't get it, I mean human race, although it might be obvious to an AI.

P.S,
And something else is really interesting to me: what if all living beings are somehow connected in some pattern through ether or something. Like all of our decisions and what we do is not independent of thoughts and actions of other beings. Like ants, maybe they do things, but maybe they don't know what is actually happening. A little test could be made: to find steady rules by which happenings follow when thousands of people are interfacing an AI in real-time on some central server on the web. And if there are some rules to find out this way, how would they be interpreted by our brains? Maybe we will find out that each living being is merely a cell of some super-organism that spread its existence over Earth, Universe, time, space, 10'th dimension... I'm curious with this one...

[Korrelan]

WTF... Yes I do. I vote this thread be deleted.

[ivan.moony]

If this thread harms the integrity of AiDreams (although I'm not aware of it), I suppose someone should delete it. My apologies if I offended anyone or hurt anyone's feelings (although I'm still not aware of it). I just meant to have an interesting conversation with you guys, but I guess I have too unusual insight for the world within and around me, so I'll try to be more real and conservative in future conversations.

Too shame because I'd have so many to tell to you guys, but I'll keep it hidden to prevent future misunderstandings. I guess I should follow this behavior: when you are in Rome, act as Romans. And I am on the Earth in the year of 2015.

So I'll stick to the subject of AI if you decide to keep me as a member of this site. It would mean a lot to me.

[Freddy]

This is the General Chat board, it's here for off topic things.

I cannot see the problem with your topic myself.

[ivan.moony]

I'm sorry, I break down when someone is angry with me. I'm busting my everything to make everyone happy. 

[ranch vermin]

Ivan!  Stop being such a wimp,  you know your name is a dictators name,  so start acting more manly.

Also,  its time to stop dreaming about "machine learning philosophy"  as if the hunk of conductors and magnets we are making is going to wonder about anything.  it just takes orders...  so get back to your symbolic knowledge genetic algorythm, it could be a good idea.

[ivan.moony]

ok

[Korrelan]

Wow calm Ivan.

My deletion reply wasn't meant to offend or upset you. You asked a question and I replied. You must have had an inkling someone might find a post about/ including god (note lowercase g) perturbing... Hence your title.  It is my personal opinion that ones religious beliefs should not be expressed to others unless they ask.

My reply was just in accordance with my personal beliefs... Best not go there. 

[spydaz]

I love Your every shortcoming: that's what makes You a human.
I love Your every virtue: that's what makes You a God.

Pick up the ratio on Your own. I don't have the right to change Your perfection.

 

Know that ye are gods and you are children of the most high god... (bible)

with this knowledge it can clearly be seen that we are all creators of a sort. our intentions to create life with cloning and digital life with artificial intelligence is inerrant in our natures as human beings and descendants of "god" .. the concepts surrounding a creation as well as the ethics are something that is discussed on many levels and thought trains. what may be ethical to you may not be ethical to others, such as man. god created man yet the opposite element or counter creation the "devil" (bible) "Jinn" (quran) was ethically challenged and did not agree with the creation of man. this can be said to be the same for artificial intelligence.... Machines creating machines that could potentially take over the world (way in the future) has blocked the creation of such machine, which only now becoming possible and being implemented at MIT (3d Printed robots) designed by other robots.... the ability for an artificial intelligence to solve the issue of if there is a god or not a god.... this again is sketchy ... as in reality there is no actual modern proof of god, as it is taken on faith.... a computer cannot have faith..... in saying this a computer can be programmed to have faith  given such qualities the computer would conclude that there is a god based on faith... archaeology proves the existence of key figures and events that have taken place in biblical records which would imply that a god exists. as if fact a is true and fact b is true then if follows fact c must be true if these facts are properties of fact C. ergo proof for god. scientifically there is no proof for god.

What came first Chicken or the egg is obviously the egg... as dinosaurs were also born in eggs... that was before chickens has been evoluted to earth. but the question remains how did life begin... was it bacteria which has evolved through time to become living organism such as animals and humans? scientifically they suggest yes... but its a theory and still not factual as they cant explain the multitude of life across the earth from plant to animal to human.... there is no link connecting plant to human or animals denoting that some how there was an explosion of life..... all at the same time.... was there a big bang? again pure theory and conjecture ... are they trying to explain the inception of god and his creation? is it possible to do such a thing? is it necessary?

questions like these enable for study to take place, answers learned do not offer much satisfaction, yet we have the power to create life and destroy life as well as recreate life on another planet , doe that make us gods.... or godlike.... yet we can know that being created in gods image doe not also mean that we think and have the same erge for creation .... this is why we create artificial intelligence, this is a component of a greater task of creating an autonomous mechanical life form, which the desire would for the same life form to become organic or biological... even preserving our human essence for ever and never having to die.... or desires as human beings are fueled by discussion, ethical concepts, religious ideals, science..... therefore as discussed in biblical reference "let us go down and confuse man speech lest they destroy themselves before the return of the most high" speech was not the only thing that was confused.. as bigotry and racism also stems from this point. which also blocks progress....
 
The ability for machine learning to advance artificial intelligence goals may be overstated. neural networks, regression .... they are tools to analysis data, even predict information... yet when creating a conversational entity, these processes are not needed ... understanding knowledge as well as reasoning can be said to be the prime focus of a conversational entity ... designing and implementing ontologies and taxonomies and the related concepts enable for understanding words and objects...  i could go much deeper into the components required to build a conversational system yet it would take many pages to explain. its interesting to see ideas people come up with and directions which they follow.... yet people are afraid to share code... and they often make claims that this has worked or that idea has worked when indeed it didnt or never or when created couldnt do anything...often people just throw ideas into the wind, when others are actually developing real stuff and not experimenting with ideas. or waffling. these i call the propagandists... i always say Share your stuff or your probably chatting SH........non of us are going to make millions of our designs so whats the problem ! (probably chatting Cra.....)
Exactly .....