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« on: June 10, 2006, 09:54:55 am »
Came accross this in my travels last night, I know its gonna cause contraversy but hey, if we cant discuss things here where can we discuss em hehe  :rolleyes

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2006, 06:05:06 pm »
wow, thanks and I mean it!

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2006, 11:31:43 pm »
They mention that they are referring to the defalt install of Firefox, without any additions or extensions. This is why they say Firefox is more secure - AFTER you install the right extensions (if you know which ones) such as NoScript, etc. I think all browsers have their faults, and security risks. Firefox not excluded, as they have patched due to faults too. I like Firefox because of the functions I get from some of the extensions that I don't get in IE, and because of Tabbed browsing. I tried IE 7 beta. I'm hopeful on that one as well. But again, some features I like in Firefox aren't in IE (even 7 Beta).

System Requirements:

I hadn't known this. I think Firefox sometimes does start up slower though, especially after all those extensions you add in. But I've heard that how much resources is recommended vs. how much the program actually uses (of any system's given available resources) can be drastically different. It can take MUCH MORE than recommended, if it's available. I'd be interested in seeing how much each actually takes. Because IE is integrated I think into Explorer (isn't it?) then I think it may take more resources, or maybe even less due to integration. Like I say, it'd be interesting to find out the actual resources it takes on say, a 512MB system.

Faster web browser

Opera? I'm amazed. I never liked Opera or it's 'features'. At least not in Linux. As for fast, I do think IE is faster than Firefox in loading pages.

Market Share

They should look at server logs of visitor's brower specs. In all my domains, I'm seeing that IE is majorly THE browser people use. But Firefox isn't too far behind, to be fair.

Security

Actually, Firefox has been good about updating the security vulnerabilities. And I think it has had fewer known ones that IE.

As for security in the integration of the OS, one that is NOT integrated in windows will not have the ADDITIONAL security vulnerabilites that Windows itself may introduce into any program fully integrated with it. At least that is how I understood it. Sounds logical. Windows is patched a lot. But, many programs running under windows don't have to be patched every time the OS is patched. So I agree that it doesn't seem logical that a program is more secure because of it's integration with an OS.

Active X

I would be just as cautious with Active X as I would with Java. And Firefox runs Java as well. So I agree that Active X isn't the main culpret. In fact, I wish that Firefox had Active X capability as some trusted sites use it.

Spyware

I agree that one must be careful of what one downloads in the first place, whether or not they use a web browser. And a browser can not take the place of anti-virus and spyware-sniffing software.

Bug free? Memory leaks, etc.

yeah right. :) Actually, I had to install an extension to reload sessions and pages because Firefox would crash and loose all the pages in the tabs. Sometimes frequently!

Extensions

I never yet seen any add-ons or extensions for IE that I could use. Tabbed browsing? Turn on/off JavaScript on the fly? Look at the functions that Firefox extensions can provide. I can't find those same functions in IE. Not the ones I use. :(

Popups

I've found the Firefox DOES block more popups than IE does, which is another reason I like Firefox. I seem to get some popups in IE even after setting it up to block. Plus, it doesn't seem possible to allow popups for some sites but not others in IE, like you can in Firefox.

W3C Standards

I agree that Firefox does *not* support W3C standards very well. In fact, that is why stuff looks different in one browser and not another. The CSS is not fully supported either. You can get colored scroll bars only in IE, for example.

Page Rendering

Now they have a Firefox extension that lets you view a page as it would appear in IE - inside of firefox itself! It changes the web page rendering engine for that page in that one tab. However, my tests show it does not work that well. There are still some sites that require genuine IE.

While this page has some truths to it, it does give the notion of trying to dissuade people from Firefox (look at the bottom of the page - button for "Firefox Myths"). One has to take any of these pages with a grain of salt, no matter what they profess.

So why do I like and use Firefox more?

1. Tabbed browsing without M$'s integrating more gunk into my computer.

2. Ability to turn off flash media on the fly or only turn on for certain sites (extension)

3. See a count of Yahoo Mail in toolbar at bottom (extension)

4. Turn off JavaScript by default, and turn on only for specific sites (extension)

5. Select text on the page, and copy it to the clipboard along with the page's URL (extensions)

6. Nice rounded address and search bar fields (extension)

7. Tiny URL Creator (extension)

8. Check validity of links on a page (extension)

9. Remove an image or object from a page on the fly (extension)

10. Popup blocker control (what sites to allow and what not)  (default)

11. move Firefox icon from taskbar to system tray (extension)

12. Works in Linux and Windows, so I can transport/share my bookmarks

13. "Add bookmark here" (extension)

14. Duplicate bookmark locator (extension)

15. Restore lost sessions after crash (extension)

16. Reload closed pages/tabs (extension)

17. Check negative feedbacks for any eBay member (extension)

While maybe IE might have SOME of these functions, it doesn't have ALL of them. There's also other useful extensions for Firefox.

So, unless I can get these features in IE, I will need to use Firefox as well for the majority of my browsing.

But it does pose some problems for web design stuff.

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2006, 07:34:28 pm »
Wow good post fuzzie,

I think from my viewpoint is that really firefox should come pre-packaged with these "add ons" thus making it a better all round package

Why is it done without them? surely when they release the next version all previous "add ons" could be included already installed if you undertsand me.

Out of interest to anyone reading here...where are the Opera members?...can someone keep this thread alive by telling us what Opera is currently like?

Or is that my job as site admin hehe  :o

Im reinstalling a few drives over the next dfew days so may stick Opera on my spare machine...then let you al know what the current state of it vs IE and Firefox...

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2006, 10:37:50 pm »
I am glad of an alternative to IE, but am glad you found that info and also you posted info FD. as I could easily have blundered into secure sites without significant protection.  If i use Firefox, I just wont use it for that kind of thing.

I agree with Mav, I can't be bothered to do all the add-ons just to browse interenet, which I can do already.  Maybe thats doesnt seem fair, but there you go.

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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2006, 11:44:34 pm »
Don't get me wrong. I feel as secure using firefox as I do IE. I think all browsers have some flaws. In fact, with IE's NoScript Extension, I prefer Firefox as that way no javascript gets run unless I specifically say it can run. I can run it temporarily for that site for that one session tab or enable javascript to run on that one site every time I visit it. All other sites, JavaScript won't run unless I turn it on.

I tried the MSN Toolbar for IE. I can't close a tab with the middle button or open a link in a new background tab using the middle button. Firefox I can. So I like that feature. However, that IS in IE 7. I'm just using IE6 until they come out with 7's full release. I don't know when that will be though, as I haven't kept up.

BTW, if you do online banking, both Firefox and IE come with 128-bit encryption and both will work. I don't feel bad using Firefox for online shopping/banking. I think it's just as secure as any other.

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2006, 10:32:30 pm »
All,
   I'm putting together another computer as I mentioned in a past post, I stopped by to learn about browsers.  I was planning on a dual boot with Linux and XP, the Linux would be used on the internet with firefox.  Thanks Fuzzydice for the info.
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FuzzieDice

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2006, 12:48:01 am »
In my last post I said "IE's NoScript Extension" - actually it's Firefox that has the "NoScript" extension, not IE. Sorry for the confusion.

Carl2 - I also dual boot XP Pro SP2 and Mandriva Linux 2006. I use Firefox in both. It's also nice because you can export your bookmarks from one OS and load them into the Firefox in the other. :)

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2006, 08:21:42 pm »
Fuzzydice,
 I'm guessing your using Fat32 so you can go between partitions.
Should have installed the OS yesterday,  I'll be using Suse 10.1 for the linux and probably use Fat32 on 4 partitions for now at least.
   Just recieved my second Hal for that computer.
  There is a forum for linux that I found helpful, LinuxQuestions.org.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2006, 02:51:15 am »
Actaully yes and no (on FAT32). I have 2 hard drives. The primary one that houses the OS is a 200G which is all NTFS. The 40G one is partitioned in 3: Linux swap, Linux file system and then the other half is FAT32 so I can transfer files to/from OSs. You really don't want to write in an NTFS file system in Linux as that is still experimental and may pose problems or blitz your NTFS drive. It can read from an NTFS drive just fine, though.

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2006, 10:30:59 pm »
FuzzyDice,
   Just got windows XP in (actualy 3), I have two Hard drives connected as raid 0 for speed.  Fat 32 has a max size of a bit over 30 GB, I had to reduce the size of the partitions to be able to format Fat. I tried to remove one install of windows by formating the drive from another windows,  it still shows up but won't load, missing file, so there is really only 2 windows.
  Linux  will be next,  Not sure when to put Hal in, I may decide to clean up the mess frist and hal has that activation code to be dealt with.  I've just found I picked up at least 3 programs, malware and or viruses while online about 3 min trying to activate the update.
  So you have windows on NFTS, Linux on a linux format, and fat partitions.  Again thanks for the advice.
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Re: Browsers
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2006, 11:43:43 am »
Ok loyal members,

new drive in...2nsd pc set up hehe...all is well.

Now have on this pc...IE, FF and Opera...will be testing them all as I go along etc...and give my comparisons. So far all as much as a muchness...though i do like Operas new lok etc...and yes it is fast...faster than both IE and FF currently (though my system specs may have something to do with that)

As for FF...what are the essential installs/add ons i should be looking for?

Will keeep everyone updated  :afro

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2006, 01:01:23 pm »
Ok...Opera

It would appear that Opera does not like the scrolling shout box on the site...looks very odd....runs perfect in both FF and IE...so ill keep playing with that one...

Just also downloaded and installed Avant..wil post my findings  :police
« Last Edit: June 17, 2006, 01:24:41 pm by Maviarab »

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Re: Browsers
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2006, 01:30:32 pm »
For those interested...here are the relevent links to all the best web browsers...read the info for yourselves and then make a decision  :knuppel2

Avant Web Browser
FireFox Web Browser
Opera Web Browser


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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2006, 08:33:49 pm »
As for firefox extensions:

Essentials:
Add Bookmark Here
Bookmark Duplicate Detector
Download Manager Tweak
NoScript
Copy URL+
LinkChecker
IE Tab
Firefox View
Minimize to Try (Windows only)
Firefox Extension Backup Extension (FEBE)
TabMix Plus

Removing Ads:

Nuke Anything Enhanced
Flashblock

Media/Video Download or managment

Unplug
ImageBot
Video Downloader

Web Mail and Links:

eWebMail Color and Graphics (if you use Yahoo, hotmail, etc.)
TinyURL Creator
Yahoo! Mail Notifier

Other Goodies:

WellRounded (Nice to have but not necessary - makes address bar and search fields rounded.)

Ebay Negs (Lists an eBay user's negative comments, good for sorting them out from other feedback).

 


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