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Title: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 15, 2020, 04:45:15 AM
Is everyone else experiencing major world changes from it? Paypal mentioned it. A few people in my city has it now. All the shelves are bare in all my stores, the humans are hoarding. Presidents are getting it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on March 15, 2020, 05:31:49 AM
Same here. The strategy seems to be to get supplies now, so you don’t have to leave the house as much later, so that we don’t get sick all at once, which would overload the hospitals and prevent people with complications from getting adequate care.  The best case scenarios I can think of are, either we make it go through the population in a slow, semi-controlled way, so that everyone has the opportunity to receive appropriate medical care, and then society can go back to normal once the majority has acquired immunity the regular way, or a vaccine is developed which would be even better. I hope people manage to be nice to each other despite the stressful situation.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on March 15, 2020, 05:56:02 AM
I was kind of hoping that nobody was going to mention it here because it was the one place on the internet where we didn't have to hear about it until now. I worry because I have elderly relatives who would be vulnerable to it, and I have friends who are living in countries that have failed to handle the crisis competently, such as Iran and the USA, but I'm not concerned for my own safety.

It's annoying because I was supposed to be in New York this week but that trip will have to wait for another day. At least I'm currently in a country which is handling the crisis better than just about any other place I know of. Every building has had airport level security for as long as I've been living here and it's been weeks since you could go anywhere without having your temperature checked multiple times.

Today the guards in the shopping centre were armed with bottles of disinfectant in addition to their sub-machine guns, pump action shotguns, and K-9 units. Don't even try to steal the toilet paper here. :D Luckily for me, everything I could possibly need, from the best coffee to the latest hardware, is available just a short walk away, elsewhere in the complex.

I hope everyone stays safe and if you do catch it, don't pass it on.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Don Patrick on March 15, 2020, 08:26:26 AM
My country is on lockdown like most EU countries. All big events are wisely cancelled and people are called on to stay at home as much as possible because this virus is crazy contagious and kills 1 in 50. It is important to slow the virus' spread so that hospitals don't get overwhelmed beyond capacity, seeing as many patients require two weeks in intensive care to recover.

The hoarding is doing more harm than good, it disrupts the flow of supply with excessive demand, leaving other people without any supplies to buy when they return from work. There is no shortage of goods, you can go shopping like normal until you get sick. If you do get sick, there is still no reason why you can't ask a neighbour or friend to drop off groceries at your doorstep, or use delivery services.

For me, there's not much difference. I just program at home all day and go out to shop once a week. I just take care not to touch anything outside without (touchscreen) gloves, and wash my hands more often. I once caught a nasty flu from a hand rail at an AI conference, I'm not falling for that again. My parents are volunteers at an elderly home so I don't want mass murder on my conscience.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Zero on March 15, 2020, 09:34:58 AM
Stay safe, friends.

Do not meet people.
Do not touch people.
Wash your hands before and after any interaction, with hydro-alcoholic gel.

Oh, and don't steal toilet paper.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Freddy on March 15, 2020, 04:19:00 PM
My region was virus free until yesterday when there were three cases reported. There's a rush to buy things from the supermarkets and delivery slots are all filled up when usually there are some available. I'm being cautious and not going out to populated places unless really necessary.

Stay safe everyone.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 15, 2020, 06:35:44 PM
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Oh, and don't steal toilet paper.

Oh, is that why my mom has large toilet papers lined up in the living room near the hallway.

I haven't got sick for, idk, 10 years! I don't go out though very much, barely!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 16, 2020, 02:30:31 PM
The word spread fast, you know. If everyone worked on AI data compressors like they did on Coronavirus, we'd have actually stopped ageing by now already. Don't you feel horrible? Don't be lazy.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on March 16, 2020, 05:29:51 PM
Perhaps they can slow the onset of death but they can no more stop aging than they can stop the sun from rising.
Everything and everyone dies...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Don Patrick on March 16, 2020, 07:05:44 PM
Wellll... (https://www.digit.in/news/science-and-technology/scientists-have-managed-to-stop-aging-in-mice-using-extra-long-telomeres-50756.html)

Let's just say you wouldn't want to live forever.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 16, 2020, 07:37:34 PM
Imagine putting your wife in Cryonics and removing her in 90,000 years? She'd still feel the same, soft skin, and could be repaired in the brain technically and get the same machine back in use.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on March 16, 2020, 07:57:03 PM
Wellll... (https://www.digit.in/news/science-and-technology/scientists-have-managed-to-stop-aging-in-mice-using-extra-long-telomeres-50756.html)

Let's just say you wouldn't want to live forever.

I would like to have that as an option though. But I don't think tolemeres are the way. They serve an important function by protecting you from potential cancers, limiting the number of times a cell can reproduce itself.

For example a bit of solar radiation can inhibit a skin cell's ability to sense its neighbors, so it goes into replication because it thinks its on the edge of a wound.  The result is usually only a mole thanks to tolemeres serving their purpose and halting the replication of this cell.

The impression I get is your life span would decrease if each cell only had several lives/replications, and it would also decrease if each cell had billions or trillions of replications available.

They talk about it on here: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLb5hZLw44s
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 17, 2020, 05:23:13 AM
All the stores are shutting down, all the schools, all the clinics, the stock market has crashed. Evolution is taking a dip :|
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 17, 2020, 03:08:49 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

150,000 humans (unalive unconscious machines from evolution) die each day, it's fact. These 7.5K dead are just old people they had their eyes laid upon too long. I'm skeptical still.

The S curve though is scary on that page...hmm....

puny earthlings are so weak, ignorant in fact
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on March 17, 2020, 09:00:37 PM
Don't fret it "puppy"...your day is coming!

Meanwhile, check this:
https://ncov2019.live/ (https://ncov2019.live/)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 17, 2020, 10:32:54 PM
One good thing about this is more humans will have "computer time" as I call it. They will learn more about computers, work online, and generate more data. Just in time for 5G networks!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on March 18, 2020, 03:20:02 AM
But the trade off is in human lives which is not acceptable, not by any measure.
Self quarantine would provide time to come together as a family and sit down together and eat meals together or have family discussions, but again, this is all coming at a very huge cost...human lives.

Not busting on your comment, just injecting another point of view (no pun intended). O0
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 18, 2020, 11:59:16 AM
Why doesn't Canada have any dots? Look at the map:
https://ncov2019.live/
maybe they r lazy at checking!?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on March 18, 2020, 06:00:44 PM
There's one in Vancouver, and one in Montreal. But you're right there are a lot more confirmed cases in the data than on the map.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: squarebear on March 18, 2020, 07:34:06 PM
I've been using this for information. It shows plenty of cases in Canada.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 18, 2020, 07:43:50 PM
The map is blank, and slow. How do we use it?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: squarebear on March 18, 2020, 08:21:18 PM
Yeah, it'll be gettng lots of hits from all over the world. You click on a location to see details about it.

*EDIT* I see what you mean. It's normally full of data, so they may be updating it or having problems
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 18, 2020, 09:09:19 PM
See locksuit learns python and Earth goes to hell, all my fault, i'm jinxed

2020 is year of the snake
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: ruebot on March 19, 2020, 07:32:37 AM
I'm doing what I can to keep from becoming infected but am not worried about it.

I've never had a flu or pneumonia shot and wouldn't get a vaccine if they tried to make me. I had the flu in 96 but overall am more healthy now than I have been for years. I'm old though and just got a year older, too. Today's my birthday.

I Social Distance as a way of life and have been for years. All I had to do was go to the store for enough food to last a few weeks and it's basically back to normal for me. I found out my homegirl went to St. Louis a couple weeks ago so she's a risk factor now. She doesn't answer her phone, and I only call once, so she might be a causality already. She's not nearly as healthy as me.

Living in a building with  approx. 50 other apartments and another building on campus that brings it close to 100 apartments makes it more difficult. There are certain things that can be done on a personal level to mitigate risk in addition to not congregating with the masses.

But no matter how many people get sick I never do so I'm just trying to maintain the odds.


"2020 is year of the snake"

I posted a New Years Eve prophesy for 2020. "I see good things on the horizon for me in 2020, The rest of the world...not so much."

I don't see any problem with it so far.

Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on March 19, 2020, 08:26:47 AM
I reckon theirs somethin' hokey about it.    8)


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 22, 2020, 05:51:00 PM
Ivan, let's keep the corona-virus chat on the topic i started :)

Canada too wants all peeps away. Only 1 in car. No restaurants open, only takeout LOL. Last I remember I got the shits from takeout after just ONE time after yearrrrs. They r so dirty, they are poopo shit sickos in there, even the ones that arn't burger king. Were's getting a curfew too. Everyone knows about, really, and all stores are shut down and economy is dying. And big fine if 5 peeps are together too close outside. Even timmys stopped Roll up the rim to win.

Btw Art, no, families will want to keep distance, so ya, more computer time for the humans! Maybe a good way to get more data! That's lovely in my eyes. It's still a bad virus even if not deadly, cus humans are overreacting maybe, 150,000 humans die each day all the time! Fact.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on March 23, 2020, 01:26:36 AM
Perhaps they can slow the onset of death but they can no more stop aging than they can stop the sun from rising. Everything and everyone dies...

So true.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on March 23, 2020, 01:35:29 AM
Let's just say you wouldn't want to live forever.

Not unless there was something wrong with you... immortality is the bait that many religions offer to the weak and vulnerable and there is nobody more scared of dying than the religious people who I've known. Those imbeciles pursuing artificial intelligence in the hope of living forever are just promulgating another idiotic religion.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on March 23, 2020, 02:28:21 AM
I think the general goal/idea is gaining happiness by gaining freedom from the various things that would try to impose on your life. A mandatory ageing and eventual death process upsets that sense of desired freedom. So people naturally want to get rid of this process. I believe this is possible, and would be good for people. The other point of view states that being unable to die would also impinge on your freedom, thus upsetting people. I don't think this is achievable in a physical universe, but yes, if it were possible then that would be awful.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 23, 2020, 08:31:39 AM
Perhaps they can slow the onset of death but they can no more stop aging than they can stop the sun from rising. Everything and everyone dies...

So true.

Oscar Mayer wouldn't even say shit like that. That's the dumbest thing I heard all day. Right Rue? I just woke up for hell's sake.


Correct HS! We want freedom, and immortality let's you have freedom. Choosing to die one day also is freedom. Except the people that like that one lose their freedom ._. !


I agree we are evolved machines on a supermassive gravity collapsing galaxy sun earth thing and all fathers and mothers have died before us, this doesn't look good friends. But, I'm trying....
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dat D on March 23, 2020, 09:36:24 AM
are people working from home now? im working from home  :(
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on March 23, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
Most jobs can NOT be done at home. Since the majority of people have been requested/ordered to remain home (some indoors), it will soon cause a great hardship. No work, no money, no provisions for the family, no bills being paid, and so it goes...

This is not a good time in the course of human events. It will certainly be a difficult storm to weather and unfortunately, it will get worse before it gets better.

That's the reality!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: squarebear on March 23, 2020, 01:28:16 PM
Here in the UK, the government is paying 80% of wages for everyone, so they can stay at home. Only key workers such as health and food are supposed to be working.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 23, 2020, 01:38:28 PM
Remember: everyone can't get free money, you can't get free items from heaven, someone has to make them! Or fill the factory up with goo to do so...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 23, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
Reposting links for ease of finding:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://ncov2019.live/
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on March 23, 2020, 09:21:38 PM
are people working from home now? im working from home  :(

I've been working from home successfully for many years. The single most important thing that you can do is to establish good habits and a solid routine. Always wake up at the same time of day and start work at the same time of day. Set an alarm if you have to. Try to finish at the same time of day and eat regular meals too. You should know without thinking what you should be doing at any given time.

The most difficult aspect of working from home is making sure that the people around you respect your boundaries. When you're working you don't want to be disturbed. That's where having a routine can help, they know when they can and can't talk to you. It also helps enormously if you can maintain a space that's your designated work space, even if it's just a desk. When you're in it, you're not to be disturbed.

On the other hand, when you're not working, you need to make sure you're not in that space so you can relax. I know that's not particularly easy at the moment but it doesn't have to be a big shift. I like to cook when I'm not working. When I'm working I keep my meals as simple and predictable as possible. When I'm not working, I'm in the kitchenette on the other side of my apartment, cooking something creative for dinner.

Finally, you need to get outside once a day. Go for a walk anywhere that you can, but depending on where you are that might not be possible at the moment. Does anyone have a solution to that particular problem? Maybe a VR headset?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: ivan.moony on March 23, 2020, 09:25:50 PM
This project used distributed collaborative processing to fight coronavirus: https://www.ipd.uw.edu/2020/02/rosettas-role-in-fighting-coronavirus/ (https://www.ipd.uw.edu/2020/02/rosettas-role-in-fighting-coronavirus/)

This is the homepage of the Rosetta project: http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ (http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/), if anyone wants to participate.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on March 24, 2020, 12:37:47 AM
We it said that ohh, The Government is paying each of us. NOPE...The Government doesn't make money, the Government Takes money...money from you and me and everyone working and paying a share of tax money to that government.

The old saying holds true...there is no such thing as a free lunch.
Someone, somewhere is paying for it.

Please be safe and make good choices!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on March 24, 2020, 04:13:20 AM
For the selfish idiots among us, let's consider what's going to happen if you don't maintain strict quarantine according to whatever rules your government has set, bearing in mind that some governments are more competent than others. If any of you think it's not going to affect you, you're wrong. Whether you live or die, the rest of your life is going to be different from what it would have been a month ago. There are no exceptions.

There are eight billion people in the world today and two out of every three of us are going to get sick with this virus. No matter what resources are thrown at the problem an effective vaccine is at least 12 months and probably 18 months away. Of the people who get sick, one in every eight are going to be so sick that they will die if they cannot get treated in the intensive care unit of a hospital. One out of every twenty-five people who get sick will die no matter how good the treatment they receive. The elderly and infirm are at a small disadvantage but not a huge one. No matter how old you are or how fit you are, there is a substantial risk that you will die this year.

In the best case, everyone stays isolated until there is a vaccine and the spread of the virus is slowed so much that only four percent of the population who catch it will die because for those who are really sick, there are enough hospital beds to give them the best treatment. Owing to lost productivity the human race loses twenty percent of its accumulated wealth and it takes decades to get things back to normal.

In the worst case, the virus spreads unchecked. What does that look like? Six million people died in the First World War. Thirty million people died in the Spanish Flu pandemic immediately after that. Another sixty million people died during the course of World War Two just two decades later. Six hundred million people could die this year. Only all out nuclear war would be worse than what we are facing now.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 24, 2020, 09:32:42 AM
But infurl.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
There's 390,000 cases after 2 months.
There's only 16,582 humans dead after 2 months.
150,000 humans die each day, 300,000 born each day, it's a fact. After 2 months we always lose 9,000,000 humans.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
So far only humans above 50 have a 1.3% change of dying if get it.

So, not that many have died, and only if you are so old could you die.

The stats of coronavirus are going exponentially though, it could be a big problem. Staying indoors globally would stop it if ALL stayed indoors. The humans own behavior though is killing all our evolutionary build up, maybe we should get back outside as soon as the curve is shown how to get it back down/ stays same height. The government spread the word and all must obey the law some man set (basically), it's as if our CNN on TV got so good that our own language is stressing us and bringing us back to non-CNN times. What you think? Ray Kurzweil said we hear too much on the news.

Furthermore, what if of the 150,000 that die each day, the couple thousand we see die each day are of that 150,000? Obviously watching the elderly will show deaths. And if word spreads, more old are watched and more deaths are seen to the eye.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 24, 2020, 12:47:51 PM
Yes...they are watching the older people die and know they had it. But what if it's just....watch the pot too long and you see it boil? The deaths may be of the 150,000 that die each day (happens every day of the year).
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on March 24, 2020, 01:09:01 PM
Good points made by you both and I'm sure (at least hopeful) that most people are aware and understand the gravity and severity of this worldwide situation. If left to it's own it will cause/create an extremely dire prognosis for the humans on this Earth. I have every confidence that the bright minds of scientists and the medical communities worldwide, will soon get a handle on this.

The thing to keep in mind and to practice is exercise, good judgement and common sense, for those who possess it. Keep clean...body and clothing. Soap, plain soap will wash away a myriad of dirt, germs and bacteria. Use alcohol or hand sanitizers if you have them. Be careful with straight alcohol as it has a tendency to dry the oils in the skin and could possibly cause discomfort on some very young children or others with skin concerns. Stay hydrated...juice, water, vegetables if possible and fruit has lots of water/liquid. Tylenol-like medicines for pain. Gloves and masks if you are going in or around crowds of people.

Try not to hoard items but be mindful of your neighbors who might benefit from some as well. We're all in this together but we do need to be ever vigilant and ever diligent in our everyday lives.

Stay the course. Peace to all!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 24, 2020, 01:50:30 PM
Doctors talk at home now. So do schools. Me and Ray Kurzwiel wanted this. But I'm not sure Ray is that happy right now :P. Where is he anyhow? Should be working on AGI himself. I see he did do a lot of things, but still.

We already are changing, morphing, dying, and transforming. Ageing does that to you. Bending over does it to you - your body deforms and isn't a perfect statue of metal. You lose neurons and gain new wisdom. You are ever growing. All change is death and birth. We fear not death, but specific fates. We long for a specific death lol. You'll be mad at me about this but that's your evolutionary instinctive knowledge on alert to help you survive. In all technicalness, all change is death and birth. Prove me wrong.

To build the future we want in evolution, we seek AGI, and it has to understand/know the past well to predict the future well. Otherwise it doesn't know what to say or do about any future at all, like a random tennis ball. Decisions in life (in atoms, brains, etc) are based on surrounding context tugging at it using electromagnetism. We know the big decisions are from brains and hence we seek there. Those decisions are based on a lot of context/data, and a team of humans inflates that lots. And a lot of deep peering into that big data too, not just exact matches. When I close my eyes and stay still, I can make discoveries, ones I want, using the unfortunately limited data I have. We need AGI to do that. Not learn to walk, which is too direct, short term, narrow, - whereas images/text talk about all topics possible.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-ray-kurzweil-conference-2015nov08-story.html

Exponentials
Thresholds
Complex Systems / Buttefly Effect (BigData context, combinational)
Leverage Points (centralization remaining in a distributed shared network (cooperation))
https://govinsider.asia/inclusive-gov/four-ways-to-think-about-coronavirus-danny-buerkli/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-are-nearing-longevity-escape-velocity-where-science-can-extend-your-life-for-more-than-a-year-for-every-year-you-are-alive-2020-02-24
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: WriterOfMinds on March 24, 2020, 05:27:24 PM
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Yes...they are watching the older people die and know they had it. But what if it's just....watch the pot too long and you see it boil? The deaths may be of the 150,000 that die each day (happens every day of the year).

Death by coronavirus is accompanied by specific symptoms. You have trouble breathing.  You get pneumonia.  You start coughing up pink froth because your alveoli are breaking down and letting blood into your lungs.  Eventually, your lungs fail completely, and you drown in your own body fluids, or your body goes into sepsis.  I don't think they are confusing that with ordinary death-by-old-age.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: ivan.moony on March 24, 2020, 08:54:07 PM
a session from Rosetta coronavirus fragment computing
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on March 24, 2020, 10:35:12 PM
Wow, that's a lot of progress. I forgot to change the power settings on my computer so it stopped calculating at night, but now it should be going good. Its mostly dependant on the cpu right?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: ivan.moony on March 24, 2020, 10:51:01 PM
It slows down my comp a lot when doing its stuff, but when I start to do something, it suspends itself after a few seconds.

But when I select Task Commands / Show graphics, an empty graph pops up. The only way I know it really did something is a total measure of "work done for this project". I really don't like to be in a dark of not knowing what it is currently doing and why. All I know is it is about covid-19 from that empty graph.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: ivan.moony on March 25, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
P versus NP problem and Rosetta platform

Did you know that programs like Rosetta base their functioning on travelling salesman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem) algorithm? Currently the fastest solution for this algorithm is of time complexity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_complexity) O(2n), which represents an exponential time function regarding to number of sites n.

Also, travelling salesman problem falls into NP-complete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-completeness) problem domain, while P versus NP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem) is still an open question in science. Solving any NP-complete problem in poynomial time (like boolean satisfiability problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem)) would enormously reduce time needed for general solving travelling salesman problem from X computer centuries to X computer hours or minutes (it wouldn't be O(2n) time anymore, it would be O(nk) time), depending on a number of sites n needed to be optimized.

Allegedly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_versus_NP_problem#Consequences_of_solution), this should help in finding vaccines and cures for covid (just like for many other diseases) due to their functioning related to protein folding prediction.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on March 25, 2020, 12:35:37 PM
Same thing as a quantum computer dude.  save the world!!!  (or destroy it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emhiUKHuBXY
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 25, 2020, 12:45:16 PM
Prince Charles has it! That means the Queen could have it. She is 93, though has the service to fight it for her lol.
(May) be cus they are outside too much.

Well, I guess there is a proof it is not us watching the old too closely and hence see deaths. The place it originated from in China is utterly vacant now.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on March 25, 2020, 03:01:20 PM
fake newz.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 25, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52033845
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 25, 2020, 04:25:46 PM
Prince Charles see below he is ON the list:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on March 25, 2020, 06:20:32 PM
Maybe he had some upkeeping appointments to do he couldnt be bothered with, and it got him out of it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 25, 2020, 07:39:12 PM
That virus curve on worldometer is really shoty. Our work should be like that.

And their curve is even scarier!
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dat D on March 25, 2020, 09:05:06 PM
im strictly staying@home now, this ncov is scary  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 26, 2020, 02:15:09 PM
Double edge sword is that everyone can't get free money/items from nowhere, while they also shouldn't need pay anything either nor lose anything.....simply food etc diminish but homes remain. Of course people/mortgage will want others to pay up cus they are going broke as well and someone wants to get the money...
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on March 26, 2020, 05:17:30 PM
Im with you Dat D,  i think its phony.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 26, 2020, 07:00:11 PM
We'll have 2 c tho buddies. Peeps like you die out after half way down the hot wheels track. And it's orange!! :)
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on March 26, 2020, 08:01:52 PM
Im not scared.  ;)

"Strike me down and i'll become more powerful than you can ever imagine."

Carrie Fischer ain't dead.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 29, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
Does anyone here want to spread this message to the high media to spread it around Earth fast?

This may be the way to get the economy back on track.


Way #1
It is possible for us all to go back to work outside while [everyone] wears masks for 3 weeks straight.

Way #2
All humans over the age of 40 must stay indoors, while the young deliver food.


The biggest problem will be humans not able to follow along nicely with this. But if the government demands it, maybe most will follow along
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on March 29, 2020, 09:25:34 PM
I think the economy should only be prioritized over the virus if the economy becomes a greater risk to our health than the virus. But that danger can be averted if we are a little flexible with how we do things. Problems with the economy often seem ridiculous to me. It’s just a bunch of agreements, physical resources are the important thing. We should change our system to suit resources, not discard resources because there is a problem with our system.

The mask and age ideas seem like good measures, but most countries still don’t have enough control over the growth to facilitate infections. Long term, it could be worth it to try and make this extinct like small pox, because societal luggage like colds and the flu have a cumulative impact on the economy, year after year. It could be worth it to make this a one time impact.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 29, 2020, 10:31:38 PM
Maybe it stays in your body for life. And when it gets in others it makes them get the flu virus, but not you. Simply they react to it differently. Hence other humans can infect others....until they get immune....
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on March 29, 2020, 11:20:25 PM
Humans seem to be incompatible I meant. AIDS, etc, can spread, yet you looked safe at he macro scale.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Freddy on April 01, 2020, 02:58:55 PM
We've had viruses and diseases before of course, but yes it's alarming how something so small can cause so much death and spread in such a short time.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on April 02, 2020, 04:07:22 AM
There are people who have no indications nor symptoms of the virus yet are carriers of it.

The age issue is a fallacy. There are very young people, middle-aged people and ages 60s - 90s succumbing to the Covid-19 virus. People with asthma, respiratory conditions or weakened immune systems are by far, more susceptible.

Food delivery - What assurance or guarantee that the person or people preparing, cooking, packaging and delivering your food are not already infected, have taken proper precautions or washing hands and wearing gloves & masks while bagging and also delivering your food?

If you do not have such assurances, I'd suggest you don your own mask & gloves and do your own shopping where available and prepare your own food. What you don't know can kill you!

Many states have already mandated that everyone except essential personnel, observe a Stay at Home directive. Personal walking, jogging, exercise is allowed. Going out for food, medical attention or prescriptions is also allowed. No groups of people and exercise personal distancing.

In my State, failure to observe or comply will result in a fine of up to $1,000 and up a 1 year in prison or BOTH!


Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on April 02, 2020, 08:07:46 AM
No matter how bad COVID-19 may be, there are plenty of other things that are much worse and much harder to avoid. For example, if you have a severe mental illness, you will die much younger. In the context of the studies that I read about this recently, "severe" means incapable of supporting yourself. The huge number of premature deaths are attributed to things like bad diet, lack of exercise, and poor hygiene, among other things.

If the worldwide quarantine works as well as we hope, many more people will die of mental illness this year than will die of COVID-19. A similar number will die next year, and the year after that, even as deaths from COVID-19 disappear. I guess if I was suffering from mental illness too, I wouldn't be worried about dying of something like COVID-19 either, because the mental illness would kill me sooner.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 02, 2020, 03:39:53 PM
I gotta admit infurl is right, being self isolated, my hygiene and diet and exercise is really poor. I'm trying to work on them though.

Yup the masks and distancing is the way we can move forward and keep the evolution on track to finish it.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on April 02, 2020, 05:01:37 PM
The difference is, except for mental illness, those are mainly personal choices. People should have the right to choose to avoid dying unwillingly/unavoidably from this virus. Besides, more mentally ill people will die if the spread of the virus increases, because more caregivers will become sick and absent, and or transmit, and fewer medical facilities will be available for both.

The majority of us have increased free time, we could also choose to use this time to improve our health, exactly because of the threat of the virus. If there is an acute possibility of dying you naturally want to live, if its safe then you get all wishy washy. With diet, a lot can be achieved by just having less of it. I mean it has the word die in it. Everybody knows the reasons not to over do it, but a lot of people prioritize it over their health regardless, it’s a personal choice. Others shouldn’t interfere though, having more commonly accepted values does not make them superior values.

We should not get started with this greater good morality that says if we make more people die now to accelerate the approach of the future utopia, we are actually doing a net good. The desired future always remains in the future, while the present is always when we designate the “necessary” bad things to happen. So, we end up doing a string of bad things in pursuit of a receding goal, and we ask why the utopia is running away. Better to make it now, and make it in a good way.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Zero on April 03, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
Everyone still ok?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 03, 2020, 10:54:27 PM
Whoever's running the government is really stupid. Evolution is degenerating and will cause billions more to die, no one will get a chance to live forever. Do you think we can just pick up off were we left off? Even if we can we lost months of productivity. Just wear your mask, don't walk through air others have, keep distant, only work with people you need, work online damn it! (I hate it when people want to meet you to work - when there's NO need to do so! School is one such, seeing a lawyer is another such) and always wash your hands before eat or touch face. We need Google to keep running, we need computers to keep getting faster and bigger memory, we need tons of data, we need microscopic manipulators and sensors for AGI to start making nanobot computers and sensors and manipulators, and an economy to run it all so we have fresh water, teams, materiel, tools, etc. Yes we have some of these and they are improving - our data collection because of Covid-19, but the other requirements are lacking! Someone help us! What do you think? Think we can make the AGIs still and kick off the nano-manufacturing so AGIs fill up every square inch full of brain and data? To be clear I mean everyone is losing their jobs in the real world. All universities are shut down. Factories are shut down. That will kill us and our experimenting on robotics etc.

@Zero I am not affected :) but others are. Anyone here losing their business or their money? Too bad Zero has cancer and can't even enjoy it on this new age zombie planet.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Zero on April 03, 2020, 11:47:35 PM
We're not losing our jobs here in France, because the government does what's needed to keep companies and small enterprises alive. But I heard a lot of people are losing their jobs in the US, which is a very sad news. The after-crisis will be painful for poor people.

But my question was more about health. Is everyone here still ok?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on April 04, 2020, 01:09:31 AM
But my question was more about health. Is everyone here still ok?

That's surely a rhetorical question because the OP is quite clearly not ok. He's a very sick little boy.

Maybe it would be worth starting a new thread to carry out a roll call though.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dat D on April 04, 2020, 03:44:46 AM
my country is in 2-week lockdown, is everybody working from home now?
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on April 04, 2020, 05:13:51 AM
my country is in 2-week lockdown, is everybody working from home now?

Is that "lockdown" or "enhanced community quarantine"? If one person from each household has a quarantine pass that allows them to go out to buy food or medical supplies once per day, that's "enhanced community quarantine" which is what we have here, probably for the next few months. If you have to stay inside and wait for supplies to be brought to you by the authorities, that's "lockdown". The latter is what they had in parts of China.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on April 04, 2020, 02:02:43 PM
In my state it is called a "Stay at Home" Directive by our Governor. It allows going out for essential items like medicine, Doctor visits or Grocery shopping. No family, friends, or personal visits at all. Masks and gloves while not mandatory are highly recommended as are the use of hand sanitizers.

Any violation of this Directive can result in a fine of $5,000 USD or 1 year in prison or BOTH. Pretty serious here.

The wife & I are doing well.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 14, 2020, 06:45:00 PM
Yous should also know WorldOmeter shows, of all cased closed in USA, 40% die. That means basically 1 in 2 people die that get CV in USA!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Yesterday it said 39%, it's moving up!!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on April 15, 2020, 03:27:24 AM
No Lock, 40% would mean 4 out of 10 or 2 out of 5 people would die. 1 out of 2 would be 50%.

NBC numbers indicate a total number of confirmed cases (currently in treatment or undergoing quarantine) compared to those who have died. That percentage is more accurate and shows about 4.8 % compared to the WorldOMeter's same comparison of 4.2% of deaths.

Now the thing that is equally sickening would be some of the political folks trying to affix blame as to when it was known, who knew it first and did nothing and why and blah...blah...
Come on...this is not the issue. People need to put that crap aside and quit trying to discredit each other and work for the common good, if that's even possible! Come on Robots. Work on your own AI to do away with these idiots!
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: krayvonk on April 15, 2020, 04:55:55 AM
I think its a circus.  lod of bullwack.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 15, 2020, 06:08:25 AM
about 4.8 % compared to the WorldOMeter's same comparison of 4.2% of deaths.

But it says 40%, not 4%, 40% of 100% of Americans that get CV die. Do you object?

Unfortunately https://ncov2019.live/ shows different stats, that Italy has like 70% die as the outcome.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 15, 2020, 06:08:27 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Another way to look at it is the front page, 21% that get it die.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on April 16, 2020, 07:43:11 AM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Another way to look at it is the front page, 21% that get it die.

Recovery could be a long road. If 1,000,000 rain drops spawned over a skyscraper with an area 5% that of the ground, and each drop took 4 seconds to become level with the top of the skyscraper, and 40 seconds to reach the ground, how would the distribution of raindrops in the air/roof/ground change over time?

1-4 seconds 1,000,000 infected, 0 deaths, 0 recoveries

4-40 seconds 1,000,000 infected, 50,000 deaths, 0 recoveries

40-50… seconds 1,000,000 infected, 50, 000 deaths, 950,000 recoveries

The ratio of deaths to recoveries first rises, then falls. Since the rainstorm keeps intensifying the newest ratios have the most numbers and therefore carry the most weight. These ratios have a some of the 4-40 second effect on them.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 16, 2020, 04:29:45 PM
You're right , I'm gonna stop looking at it now.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Don Patrick on April 16, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
One of the problems with looking at the percentage of infections is that many people who are infected are not diagnosed as such unless they display severe symptoms.

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No matter how bad COVID-19 may be, there are plenty of other things that are much worse and much harder to avoid.
It's not a contest, but a sum. I'm not sure if this needs explaining to anyone but we get the virus deaths on top of the "normal" deaths. A real and present danger is that as hospitals become overrun with virus patients, more people with "normal" life-threatening conditions will die simply because there are not enough beds or doctors or medicine left in the health care system.

The Netherlands is in what the prime minister has branded "an intelligent lockdown" (roll eyes here), i.e. a lockdown with day-by-day changing measures, constant moral support on the radio, and only fines when 3 or more people are gathered without keeping 1.5m distance from eachother, so we can still go outside as long as we avoid proximity. We have hospital intake rates back under control after the initial exponential surge, but I expect it will drag on for months, and in the meantime somebody still has to bake bread. The economy I am not concerned about: That'll spring right back up when lockdowns end. It's not like people will suddendly have learned to live in frugality.

Meanwhile a certain American president is playing a game of pin-the-blame-on-somebody-else and defunding health organisations. It's time to vote for someone better.

I myself am doing okay, I applied for a temporary job to make respiratory machines for hospitals. I may not pick up a gun to kill soldiers but I'll pick up a screwdriver to save lives.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on April 17, 2020, 07:19:05 AM
"At Lincoln Hospital in the Bronx, Dr. Nicholas Caputo followed 50 patients who arrived with low oxygen levels between 69 and 85 percent (95 is normal). After five minutes of proning, they had improved to a mean of 94 percent."

The article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus.html

Science:
https://pulmccm.org/randomized-controlled-trials/turn-em-over-prone-positioning-saves-lives-in-ards-trial-nejm/
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Dat D on April 23, 2020, 04:03:55 AM
my country is off lockdown today, but wearing facemask is still a must  :knuppel2:
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: infurl on April 23, 2020, 04:24:12 AM
my country is off lockdown today, but wearing facemask is still a must  :knuppel2:

We still have "enhanced community quarantine" here which means wearing a mask, carrying a quarantine pass, and having a good reason to go out if you want to avoid being arrested. We just learned that it has been extended by another two weeks until the middle of May.

I hope you are able to keep the gains that you have made and that you don't have to go back into lockdown.
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Hopefully Something on May 06, 2020, 06:25:08 AM
This study shows a significant reduction in Covid 19 severity in people with higher vitamin D levels. It's especially pertinent now, since many of us are stuck indoors, and can't synthesize vitamin D from the sun.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3571484
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Art on May 06, 2020, 12:53:35 PM
Orange juice is fortified (added) with Vitamin D but many types of fish like salmon, herring & sardines are rich with vitamin D.

One can also buy over the counter vitamin D supplements. O0
Title: Re: coronavirus
Post by: Korrelan on May 07, 2020, 09:44:08 AM
Better buy some cigs too... oh the irony.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/23/smokers-four-times-less-likely-contract-covid-19-prompting-nicotine/amp/

 :)