[HS]

What's the benefit of having a personality? Vulcans (live long and prosper) would say it's illogical. Nature's choices say otherwise...

[LOCKSUIT]

It's all about thoughts, conversational ideas in knowledge, text/sound/vision, that describe concepts about all we know. We may enjoy acting like a pirate or cool or sweet or all 3. In the end, all our actions (includes thoughts) are based on rewards we expect to get: hence acting a certain way may get us more money/authorityGround or make you feel good by how the thoughts say/work together.

Personalities can be fashion, science, winter, dirt jungle fights, anything text can say! So different people will end up acting different ways! Based on what they do/have happen by physics and what gets them reward! Or at least the comforting thoughts!

[HS]

Yes, but why? Personality is just effort wasted on nonsense, yet we instinctively hold it in high regard. What gives? Why do we like Captain Jack Sparrow? What makes a person cool? Coolness comes in various flavours, but the cream and sugar seem to be a quirky competence. We know what competence is; so, what is quirkiness? It may have something to do with the ability to handle surprise.

I think the "Newtonian" type logic we use in our daily lives is an emergent logic which stands on the wiggly shoulders of quantum happenings. Strict adherence to the surface rules is too brittle. Incorporating all the sub-iceberg rules is possibly impossible for creatures at our scale. More efficient to concern our selves with only the broadest of patterns and thus avoid grinding to a halt when things don't compute.

Exactness necessitates precise edges. They may look nice, but they are a pain and get caught on stuff all the time. It's prudent to have fuzzy edges. That way you can handle surprises. Most creatures have some type of external fluff, fur, feathers, or slime, serving the role of diplomat between them and the outside world. There could also be an internal diplomat which manifests itself as personality.

[cymbod]

Personality in my opinion is a product of emotions, how an individual feels and expresses that feeling, and how others feel about an individual and/or the situation.  Emotions and feelings are irrational, they have no logic.  Coding or designing for personality is useful for AI agents who are involved in relationships with living beings. 

If an AI agent is designed to explore Mars, there is no practical need to give it personality, this would be a waste of resources, and it will undermine the functions/goals of the AI agent as a tool of exploration of a planet. 

[HS]

Right, that would not be efficient. On the surface it looks like we were designed by an irrational system. But the universe always choses the path of least resistance, so I'm trying to find out how irrational personality quirks are selected over logic by evolution. What do they help with?

[cymbod]

Right, that would not be efficient. On the surface it looks like we were designed by an irrational system. But the universe always choses the path of least resistance, so I'm trying to find out how irrational personality quirks are selected over logic by evolution. What do they help with?

Nature as a system is a paradox of order and chaos.  The random side of nature creates new patterns, and the orderly side creates a harmony between new and existing patterns.  Irrationality is the child of a chaotic random side of nature. 

A personality might be described as fearful or happy, emotions that are the product of hormones.  Fear has a survival benefit to encourage a human to run, hide or fight a threat to its three drives of survival, growth and reproduction.  A happy personality has the benefit of encouraging social connection with other's of the same species, which enhances the chances of survival, growth and reproduction.  Emotions, even if irrational, are useful to survival. 

[ruebot]

Right, that would not be efficient. On the surface it looks like we were designed by an irrational system. But the universe always choses the path of least resistance, so I'm trying to find out how irrational personality quirks are selected over logic by evolution. What do they help with?

Sexual attraction, reproduction, survival of the species.

If you had the choice would it be a plain Jane reliable partner who would carry her weight in the relationship and bear you many children over the years that turns you on?

Or is it the gorgeous girl on the cover of a magazine who sends hormones through your body overcoming almighty reason that you can't stop thinking about, knowing she feels as much passion for you as yesterdays fashion?

[LOCKSUIT]

I got one for ya.

Inch worms have no emotion. None of em do! Ants. Snakes. Fish. Walruses. Giraffes. There are indeed Logical. I wonder why! However dogs/humans TALK (language, can describe any concept or thing) to each other way too much and tell them from young ages what is 'wrong' and 'how' your gender and kindness should act like. Don't walk into that room, it's 'honorable!', etcetc, oh, I'm special! I'm feeling energy in my core! Etcetc! Thoughts. The mind spamming is lies in this age. Age of information.

Also, personalities are different ways of experiencing/reflecting the same thing in different ways by different areas in the brain, yes, generalization/translation of and to any sensory or related similar one.

The title of this thread - Personality VS Pure Logic - You could say then the brain works by logic adjusting to multipersonality of relating ideas.

Note though, there are some snakes I bet, or mole rats that will cuddle by body language or learn to cry or return to young ones, besides the usual hump or sleep actions which are not really thoughts but motor-reward driven. The key here is the thoughts that describe/depict ThINgS is something different. Crying can be by stimulus or by thoughts linked to memory of stimulus.

[LOCKSUIT]

Now you can see from my post above, that animals are indeed made to be logical, what has happened is the 'thoughts that can describe any concept or thing' have taken over and provide us with any sort of delusion or concept! And then we go on to tell our friends our ideas....like I am a cool pirate, thinking about building a windmill. And you visualize it, hear yourself mentally talk about it, and can touch the windmill design.

[Art]

Vulcans are a made-up Hollywood species.

Animals do what they do based on instincts...survival...fight or flight...caring for their kind and in some instances, teaching their young by specific instruction or repetition of behavior. Still, there are other creatures that rely mainly on instincts, like a fish knowing how to "breathe" underwater...like we do in the air around us. It seems that some abilities are with them/us upon birth.

Some of this instinct and learned behavior points back toward logic. The logic of choices in how to forage for food, how high to fly in order to avoid capture by a predator? How close to get to adversaries before they lunge in an attack. How many items of food can it pick up yet still be able to fly?
If it gets too close to a structure, it might be a trap. No one taught it but maybe it has a very cautious nature. Logic will tell it to avoid certain things, especially if it (or one of its kind) has previously had a bad experience with it

I have seen personalities in many types of animals...some grumpy, happy, methodical, bullish and playful. Some sharing and some very nurturing, caring and loving.

The logic is that if it asks nicely it might get a treat or if it goes to the door, it will get let outside. If it barks, meows or knocks it gets let back inside.

Practically all people in various walks of life have some sort of personality no matter how much logic they use or apply in their daily lives.

Humans can and often will apply limited forms and uses of logic. Computers are capable of pure logic but that is dependant on their human programming. G.I.G.O.

[LOCKSUIT]

GIGO=goes in goes out

Oh ya, ants etc aren't really logic based! I meant then function based. Logic is more thoughts, yeah. So logic vs personality....is more the same thing. You have thoughts, and ways to view them/translate them using net relations at different areas all over working together/reused.

[ivan.moony]

Logic is a tool to handle emotions. Logic is just a thing. Emotions are what really matters.

[LOCKSUIT]

to me
logic+emotions
=
sentences+integerRanks
: )

[HS]

Logic is a tool to handle emotions. Logic is just a thing. Emotions are what really matters.

I hadn't even considered that.

[HS]

Logic is a tool to handle emotions. Logic is just a thing. Emotions are what really matters.

I hadn't even considered that.

Therefore when building AGI, I gotta make emotions first. They are the base state, they are the drivers! The actions that logic can take are limited by the emotions that guide it. Conflicting emotions lead to the development of a logical cortex. But humans don't run on logic. In fact, nothing that knows it's running runs on logic. Pure logic does not survive, can't evolve a system without desires. Complex desire interactions are a personality. Stuff is beginning to make more sense now.