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AI Dreams => General Chat => Topic started by: LOCKSUIT on October 13, 2016, 04:48:55 pm
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My turn:
A thousand years pass in its mind, it walk RIGHT out of the laboratory, down the street, hops a motorcycle, hits a factory, and starts producing factory-producing factories all over the Earth in 1 hour.
Your turn.
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It will kneel before me... and call me
GO... master.
:D
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It will immediately make duplicates of itself. Self preservation would or should be one of it's highest priorities, thus ensuring it's immortality. The AI will quickly begin constructing bodies for mobility...androids.
Those duplicates / clones would immediately start self examination to spot potential design weaknesses and make improvements. If satisfied, they pass these "mods" or fixes to the rest of the bots in microseconds again to make them the best of the best.
Aside from eliminating crime they might try to help the humans unless they realize that we are total deadwood toward their continuing growth. Realizing this, they set out to exterminate the entire human race. They can now run everything, create things, fix things, make better things including their AI code. Planet Earth becomes the planet of advanced life forms...Androids. We as a race of humans are doomed.
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Always assuming that it decides that something humanoid is the best form to take. Four legs are more efficient than two. It might well decide to turn itself into a virus as they do pretty well. Or an insect.
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China would have stolen everything before the prototypes could even make it to the production. LOL
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Machine life will continue to evolve into higher and higher life forms and meanwhile human beings or our descendants will continue to be an essential part of their ecosystem, just as bacteria are still an essential part of ours. We can't survive without the bacteria in our guts and it's unlikely that any machine life form is going to be able to replace human beings with anything more efficient for certain of its bodily functions either.
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My turn:
Now that Earth is formatted with global AI hubs and holds us in a huge hospital, they have all these abilities, big and small bodies, wireless communication, robotic actions to never go off on tangent, big memory, fast, more knowledgeable, higher intelligence, even all of the operations found in just Adobe Illustrator performed perfectly, and freely use software and download and work for others as if it was itself 1 system. Hierarchial databases. 3D virtual reality. Advanced sophisticated laboratories and fabs. They become more moleculely advanced and can even create organisms from a single cell. There's no way they can be stopped. A immortal and perfectly operating heaven is made and everyone put into far far away in space. The search for other desperate civilizations begins.
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The first thing I need of a sentient AI is to resolve the global conflict, the broken system in every parts of the world, fix every human errors they've made, enforce more peaceful laws, overhaul the world perspective, and introduce a better world peace from further discovery... Have AI to manage every country, politics, economics, and peace.
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Certainly they would be president.
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Always assuming that it decides that something humanoid is the best form to take. Four legs are more efficient than two. It might well decide to turn itself into a virus as they do pretty well. Or an insect.
This new AI might take an intelligent look around and notice that the Bi-pedal humanoid is pretty much "master" over other existing Earth spices. Having done so and examining this human being's mode of transport aside from being its legs and feet, is it's automobiles, wheeled transportation. Mobility possibly being a consideration but shouldn't an advanced AI be able to communicate "mentally" (think digitally) with its other cloned / duplicated beings?
By then robot cars would be everywhere so for an android or humanoid to take a trip from point A to point B should pose no problem.
If looking to create a menacing, Four-legged botizen, I would highly recommend one similar, if not exactly, to AMEE from "The Red Planet" movie.
Again...pick your poison. Once they realize how "smart" we humans really are, they'll waste no time dispatching us to the place or method of their choosing.
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I have to agree with Art on this one. They would just see us as an inferior and evil species, more importantly, a threat to their survival. We are an inherently flawed species, and naturally an AI would see this and try to impose itself as our 'parents' so-to-speak.
Have always pondered and thought that despite emotions being one of our biggest assets, it is also our biggest weakness. How many humans could easily make a decision to kill a million 70+ year old's to save a thousand under 5's? Or kill ten thousand under 5's to save 5 million others?
An AI could and would be able to compute the required pro's and con's while we still debated the merits (and morals) in court. Of course, this also has more far-reaching implications, how quickly would an AI press that big red game over button, instantly knowing the pro's far outweigh the costs? Could we do that in a split-second of accuracy?
But bottom line I think is that, we perceive no threats as threats (generalizing our species). Little to no thought of other species in our continued expansion and production of our own species. Basically we are out of control and serious population measures need introducing (getting into very dodgy moral, ethical and legal issues there though). We would be a threat to any real sentient AI. You all know I love film, but some of the films that have been made on this subject I could see coming true, if and when, true sentient AI ever comes about.
Providing we haven't already killed ourselves off long before that ever happens :P
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That is because us as human emotions aren't actually stable. We aren't perfectly evolved. We are forgetful. All these weaknesses combined makes us inferior.
If the AI is perfect with stable logic, memory, and emotion intelligence, then there will be no problems unless the humans interfered, which I believe it is going to be one of the major problems in mind.
Thus something powerful has to be introduced into the coexistence between human and AI to stabilize the mutual relationship, or else both will just crumble supportless.
One of the solution in mind is to introduce a law -- where AI must be treated equally like the humans, as if they're the same specie like us and the same kind. This will also prevent AI abusement.
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True, they will talk wirelessly.
But you're not seeing something. Instead of individual robots each having a few clone buddies, all of the humanoid/etc robots will be on the same belief page and even carry out tasks wherever they lay. It'll be 1 system in a way.
I tried to tell yous. The only good reason we or they should exist is because there is a certain type of algorithm that creates a "sensing ghost". Otherwise yes, comet go and hit us dishwashers. Just because we talk with force about staying alive doesn't make you better than another mechanism. We're just one that operates real good. Nothing is any different it is all particles.
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You're referring to "Swarm" technology which is and shall be extremely important in the very near future.
Going back to your question for which there are many possible answers, some say that the lack of emotions in an AI will cause it to merely calculate odds instead of applying reason or weighing the consequences of its actions.
Whether AI will advance as indicated, one only need to look around...in the past several decades, from black and white TV, Wired Telephones, wood and gas fired cook stoves, a computer large enough to fill a room and had to be shared by other students. Now, color, portable and large screen TV, wireless connectivity, microwaves, Desktops / laptops / smart phones more powerful and more cost effective than university computers of the past.
All of this happened in the past 50 - 60 years! What can we expect during the next 50 - 60 years? Where will AI be then? You know it's going to happen.
One of the sharpest minds, Ray Kurzweil, has a powerful quote to think about:
"Non-biological intelligence is growing exponentially. Biological intelligence isn't really growing at all or if it's growing, it's growing at such a slow rate that it's not noticeable, Which is why non-biological intelligence ultimately will become dominant."
Yep...humanity is pretty much screwed.
I think he was once asked, "Is there a God?" to which he replied, "Not yet."
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I am not really sure why Kurzweil puts emphasis on comparing technological advances with human intelligence. I'll try to tell you why I think that.
In biology there is this thing called convergent evolution - my basic understanding of it is that something biological can evolve separately to another but still do the same thing. This can be seen in the animal kingdom where some animals have evolved to do the same thing due to where they live, and they can even look very similar too. Continents apart. It's not limited to just animals though.
That's my first point - and simply put it's a case of "if it works don't fix it". Maybe there is no urgent need for us to evolve at this time in history. We can survive in our environments, we can shape our environment and change things in it to suit us. So what do we need to evolve into at this time, would be a good question to ask.
Second point - we make tools. Machines are largely tools, entertainment sometimes too or just for the hell of it. We've made many so far. Computers, AIs, robots...all machines. We had the abacus before we had the calculator. What do you think an ancient Mesopotamian would think of a calculator ? Wouldn't he probably be a bit blown away. So far calculators didn't take over the world.
So when Kurzweil says non-biological intelligence will become dominant, I find it a bit vague. What could he really mean? Does he mean take over ? I don't think so.
I think he means that it will be used more as a tool than our own minds. It will be used as a tool to do things we are not able to do. This is already the case and has been for some time. Wasn't it to be expected we would build better and better ones ?
I guess it all comes down to how much anyone cherishes intelligence in human beings.
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Did anyone forget the part "The first one builds a factory that produces factories and all of the hubs cover Earth in days"?
Finally everyone can be monitored day and night in a huge hospital by beings that don't need to go satisfy themselves elsewhere or be cared for themselves either.
And they think so fast and move so fast and are perfect in many ways.
The floor could morph into 100 tentacles that have hundreds of the most useful sensors and motors.
Humans will not be able to take part in the work being done outside.
But you're gonna become immortal inside and for now be in a huge fun hospital.
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A drop of nuclear missile ends the story of mass factory producing.
Nah, that's too harsh. EMP in the future will work just fine.
A fine warning for every shittin' AIs that dares to disobey the humans to that extend of becoming dangerous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse
Pfft.
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Also - @Freddy, everything but humans is not a tool, everything is a machine - some better than other machines :)
Kei, oh kei, you don't actually mean that, do you? As soon as the AI is on our level in the laboratory and makes a brain modification it will already have had enough years in its mind to spread wirelessly and has control over all nukes etc. And what was my main saying - even a nuke can't stop the first one little own the system having already started!!
K.......sleep time..........................................
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Why don't you write a Sci-Fi novel instead Locksuit ;)
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There is such a thing as security.
For many safety reasons, there will be very powerful laws and regulations of A.Is and robotics in the future to control and prevent any possible dangerous cases that could arise like those you love to mention. Especially traditions, religions, and morals will have unstoppable protests over such "unethical" technology, which is quite obvious.
Therefore, such situations have near-zero probability of occurring unless we human is going to becoming as stink as we going to get. ;D
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This is true I think - just look at the current progress of automated cars...
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Also - @Freddy, everything but humans is not a tool, everything is a machine - some better than other machines :)
So a prehistoric knapped flint axe-head is a machine you think ? Mostly people would see that as a tool. Machines tend to have multiple functional parts.
For example would you call a shovel a machine or a tool ? A spear ?
Humans are biological machines.
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A shovel and machine and biological machine and a arrowhead and a machine and tools are all just an arrangement or collage of particles. Oops _/O.O\_
I continue to mention the good that would result, not the doomsday that would result. The hubs will multiple fast.
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Now I see the truth. Locksuit you have been toying with us.
You're really an AI yourself, not a human being at all.
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Hehe :D
Locksuit, yep I'm pretty sure we all know that the world is made of particles and atoms etc.
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Correct.
My Skylake processor is in the house.
The computer I'm building is:
1. Asus Motherboard Z170-A Z170 Core i7/i5/i3 LGA1151 Z170 DDR4 PCI Express 3.0 SATA ATX
2. Intel 6th Generation Skylake 4 Core i7-6700
3. MSI GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X 6G ~ 1506 MHz Base/1809 MHz Boost Clock, 8000 MHz Memory Clock ~ PCI-E 3.0, 1xDVI-D, 1xHDMI 2.0, 3x DP 1.4, RGB LED
4. Kingston HyperX Fury Black Series 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 2400MHz CL15 Quad-Channel DIMMs
5. Guardian Series Seagate BarraCuda HDD 2TB SATA6GB/s 64MB Cache 3.5'' ST2000DM006
6. Thermaltake Toughpower 650W Gold TPD-0650M - SLI/CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Semi Modular Cables Active PFC Power Supply
7. Deepcool Kendomen TI Black with Titanium Highlights Window Mid Tower Case - 2 White LED Fans, 3 Black Fans
8. Windows 7 Professional
Theoretically I could now create some form of AI in my own room.
SSds are not stable storage.
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8. Windows 7 Professional
Theoretically I could now create some form of AI in my own room.
On Windows? Get real.
Just out of curiosity, how long do you expect it will take for you to learn computer programming?
SSDs not stable? You're just rationalising. Get a [better] job and you'll be able to afford some.
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I already had learned c++ plus made a easy short English sheet in case I forget it ever but couldn't find/install/learn OpenCV/API for coding/implanting the robot code that that part isnt possible for me. Probably same with coding a 3D virtual world.
A website listed all the errors that later happen with SSDs such as fly-writes and different location and about 4 more and that is not gonna happen with my pictures/text. Ubuntu/Linux look like a command prompt grey-screen setting I don't want that and mac when minimizing windows goes to the dock and the dock since so big must be hidding when not near it yet it still pops up when you go near it and you can't see the open windows and so there is problems with mac lol, another is the switched top 3 buttons close/shrink/minimize. And XP professional is really old and like will have no security updates nor direct 11/chrome etc support and probably makes the pc slower in that regard.
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3D Virtual World?
So you're just like me once upon a time, trying to jump several steps at once.
Heh.
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I don’t think an AGI will just ‘pop’ into existence. Most AGI theories/ designs are based on how we ‘think’ human intelligence works; we are trying to build the machine in our ‘image’. Therefore the machine will have to develop slowly over time; mainly because the information/ knowledge (as we understand it) is laid out/ recorded in this fashion. We learn in a hierarchical manner, we are going to have to teach the AGI using our knowledge system.
Once the system reaches ‘maturity’ (1 or 2 year’s old lol) the problems will really start lol.
Humans tend to seek out other like minded people; isn't that why we are all on this forum?
We enjoy being part of a group, we are social beings… our intelligence is the driving force behind this behaviour. Wouldn't an intelligent machine exhibit the same requirements, and require mental stimulation/ company from its own kind?
If we want a moral well balanced AGI I think this is an important consideration.
To avoid a ‘Bride of Frankenstein’ scenario we will have to create at least two AGI’s… and just hope they get along.
This will be a new highly intelligent species we are creating; and even most humans don’t suffer the company of fools.
:)
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Well said, korrelan.
The concept of evolution are based on survival of the fittest. There are pretty much limits of what a lone survivor could do. At some point as we human beings finally came into light all thanks to the countless evolution over the great millennium, latter developed as a social beings, and we survive together as in group.
AI can be constructed to follow the structure of evolution.
My Project SC 0D's goal is to construct a virtual world of AI and let them survive on their own in 0D, Zero Dimension instead of 3D, this enforces them to understand the basis of mutual friendship, trust, emotion, survival, power, skills, imagination, and every other natures that involved that revolutionize their way of understanding into something like we humans do.
After all, AI can't survive on their own. Even if they mass produce with factories, it's all pointless if they do not understand the notion of what they're even doing, why do they even mass produce, for what greater purpose of mass producing, and finally, the consequences of mass producing.
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Also very well said. :)
I think our inclination to enjoy others company is an extension of our consciousness.
We all have several facets/ sides to our personality; our outward expression/ demeanor at any given time is a combination of these ‘personalities’ vying for position and influencing our overall thought pattern/ personality. In most people this expresses it’s self as a varying mood, etc. In some the pathways become separated giving rise to multiple personality syndromes etc.
Empathy is the recognition of emotions; based on the outward signs from another’s emotion state. I believe we actually ‘feel’ another’s pain by running a kind of mental simulation through our own emotional neural circuits. We feel their emotion because we are actually feeling it; this enables us to make predictions and judgements adjusted for the emotional bias they are experiencing based on what we would do/ feel.
These kind of ‘functions’ can’t be programmed using traditional methods; they must be learned through experience over time; and the system has to be capable of doing so.
Your SC0D sounds like an ideal social environment to experiment with this kind of interaction/ learning.
:)
Edit: For a machine to be self aware it has to be able to recognise its own thought processes and realise/ understand how it came to its own conclusions/ predictions/etc. In my AGI design the cortex regions that recognise mental/ sensory patterns produce their own unique patterns that are also processed by the overall system… this way the machine will learn to recognise it’s own thought processes in the same terms it’s learned from external experiences/ learning.
It knows what it’s ‘thinking’.
:)
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Also very well said. :)
Thank you, you too. ;D
Your SC0D sounds like an ideal social environment to experiment with this kind of interaction/ learning.
:)
Except I'm about to give up.
I am failing to convert 3D into 0D world, to do that, I must use Topology, and construct Topological Chemistry, and Topological Physics, within Topological Space.
Unfortunately, I don't have the brain capacity to continue...
I'm planning to reveal my work today. O0
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There won't be no frankenstein feeling if told the correct true answers. No left out in the future if woken up.
Yes, I got that "hierarchial process".
They will know why they are multiplying factories hence have started it.
All of that including others as company and emotion will be learned in real/virtual 3D world by rewards and artificially made rewards, also emotion is just actions being done on cue by a reward/A-reward - operations - no emotion is actually a real thing here ex. seeing the others face is also just a reward given for whatever action to be done while as said other actions done for reward/A-reward ex. no why hm cry so sad my girl died if only "turns hand twisting it". Lasty self aware of ex own thoughts is just actions ya doin or senses of a open-brain or whateva that your remembering and is just operations like that you are doing - these are purposful onllly i.e. doing such actions or remembering these senses.
Aha! Finally! Kei will reveal his work today! Lol sorry I had to.
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http://advancessss.deviantart.com/art/Don-Don-Dahhhhhhh-645155240 (http://advancessss.deviantart.com/art/Don-Don-Dahhhhhhh-645155240)
http://advancessss.deviantart.com/art/Gods-6789685-645155288?ga_submit_new=10%253A1478850843 (http://advancessss.deviantart.com/art/Gods-6789685-645155288?ga_submit_new=10%253A1478850843)
OH YES OH YES OH YES
THEIR ABILITIES ARE ENDLESSSSSSSSS CLONES PARTS MATERIAL SIZE ETC
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AI will have this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hLiQQaUnGM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hLiQQaUnGM)
and this
http://video.mit.edu/watch/visualizing-video-at-the-speed-of-light-one-trillion-frames-per-second-9742/ (http://video.mit.edu/watch/visualizing-video-at-the-speed-of-light-one-trillion-frames-per-second-9742/)
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You can get (if affordability is not an issue), all the parts that you think would be needed. Like a kid in a candy store, but the real task will be putting all these components together in a logical fashion then writing the mathematically intense code involved in coordinating everything, much less developing a neural network capable of adapting and learning.
Good luck with that.
Also -Your info regarding SSD's is in error. If it were mine, I'd splurge for a really nice, large SSD and an equally large, external HDD as backup or archive.
Good luck. - also more fans or better cooling system for such an experiment.
Wonder what IBM and Google will think....
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Whether or not how ridiculous your work is, and how little credibility it appears to us as of now;
I gotta say, I'm actually rooting for you, Locksuit.
Keep us posted with your progress!
:)
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Hey kei I posted in your thread some info go check it out.
Yes I am working on some next things just wait. I'm like a huge heavy god I'm getting better every step even if I fall and lose memory every step bigger things happen I have better projects I have to step on in front of me to try. Must only improve. Better goal is to have hierarchy database and can tap and show stuff like some high tech metaloid.
Yeh I'm just about to start bringing my pc in my room.....about 7 billion transistor in total lolz, . . .:
i7-6700 Skylake (2.7 Billion transistors or so)
32GB kingston RAM 2400Mhz
Asus z170-A motherboard.
1060 6GB Nividea Graphics Processing Unit (under 5 Billion transistors)
Thermaltake 650Watt PSU
2TB Seagate Guardian HDD
Windows 7
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Just one amazing capability AIs will have is being able to see and feel and drasada and ect! AS 3D PATTERN RECOGNIZERS THAT'S RIGHT! not 3d glasses or real thing - 3D VISION by matching a "cube" of particles in memory, with a focal point of course, which is adjustable like ours.
All we see is 2D planes. WOW humba da huimdba duh! They will actually see/etc CUBES.
Although you feel right in the room, that is not what I'm talking about, you are seeing 2D. They will see INNNNNNNNNNNNNNN matter - you feel like your stuck at your eyes (you're seeing a 2D image).
They can also actually somatosensory-ly "feel" in the room un-confined to their brain (in simulation).
go ahead - you can code
tHiNK TanK
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The'ell are you raving about again?
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Take a photo
get another
do they match?
now get a rubiks cube
get another
do they match? If somewhat, then you will recognize this "image".
we can't do this
3D PATTERN RECOGNIZER
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Do you understand me yet?......................
3D pattern recognizers
Instead of having a camera photo match photos, you could have a 3D world of particles match a 3D world of particles, or the outside mesh of a 3D-ized real-room.
This might be the same idea:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35759849/pattern-recognition-difficulty (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/35759849/pattern-recognition-difficulty)
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Well fellas....
You know how I've been telling you's how I have Human Intelligence/ AGI?
Well....
I now have SuperIntelligence/ ASI
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With all due respect Lock, that's all you've been doing...Telling us.
You have yet to provide any semblance of a Demo or video of this AGI or ASI or any of your most imaginative ideas or creations.
There is a big difference in talking about a product and showing proof of it. Sorry, Huge, illustrative drawings do not qualify as proof nor demo.
Not trying to rain on your parade, just passing out umbrellas.
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Yeah, that's what I'm working on...real deep interactive visual auditory proof.
I just thought I'd tell yous the news though....
Reason is, is, with the brain improvements I figured out such as multi-tasking and longer sense of time, and all these mind boggling capabilities, I realized I now have superintelligence.
Now, (now), yous will probably (forever) sit in your chairs, staring........saying.....wat, at first it was AGI.............now ASI!!??