[HS]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb9bpm/this-bird-went-extinct-and-then-evolved-into-existence-again

Also makes me think that any aliens out there are more familiar than we expect.  If we discover extraterrestrial life, humanity will collectively smack their foreheads, saying "Duh! Of course! It's just more of the same universe. We were so cute,  expecting all those wacky creatures..."

[AndyGoode]

If we discover extraterrestrial life

"If"? Plenty of folks nowadays treat the existence of intelligent alien beings as commonplace knowledge; it's just claimed that *official* admission is being withheld from the public. The types of which I hear the most as I browse UFO-type sites are the Tall Grays, the Short Grays, the Nordics, the Pleiadians, two types of reptilians, and a praying mantis type. The following list roughly matches the frequency of which I hear those named types, so is probably a pretty well-researched list:

http://soulspottv.com/the-7-alien-species-currently-fighting-for-control-over-earth/

And yes, a few such species, especially the Nordics, are said to resemble humans so closely that those species can often intermingle with humans and not be noticed:

https://www.ibtimes.com/do-aliens-exist-yes-some-look-just-us-says-paul-hellyer-former-canadian-defense-minister-video

[LOCKSUIT]

You're so cute AndeyGoodey...nope.....aliens do not visit Earth.

The singularity occurs fast when a civilization reaches our capability. So any space travelling aliens would not spend time trying to kink down some grocery shoppers bags for trinkets. Please. Highly unlikely but not impossible cus anything is possible as we discussed, just unlikely for some more so.

They would be immortal, in a huge immortal ship, saving us. Not pepping through solo lone being a jerk or doing unefficient things. That's way efficient.

Not efficient. Please stop.

Further, if one got here, they'd have better chance to use their own planet or another planet and eat it using the huge gobbler momma. If they lost their plannets, then, well, they would need a gobbler momma god. And if they don't have one, and come to Earth, then they would want a safe haven to be ABLE to make the momma eater. And that takes time to make one grow. So ok there's a chance aliens lost their home orld and need to continue to BUILD here because they don't have a momma life-saver and are just a skinny twig with 4 arm. Hmm...that means they would not want to make notice of themselves, and blend in, to make a momma gobbler. And that takes time, like anyone. You need to do research first, so it'll depend on how much it has researched. Worse case, the twig/s that arrived know very little how to make a goddler, and are just trying to live their life and not even work on one. So, if they are stupid enough to come here, then you get ones that want to just blend in and live or study us and send data back, but nothing too crazy, maybe some blood though on the wall. While if they lost their home, it seem understandable. While if they lost their home and need a place to continue building a momma bird, then great they are highly educated and need once again a place to live and work.

[LOCKSUIT]

However losing your home world seems unlikely to travel here because to get here requires quite advanced knowledge, so they would figure out fast not to travel the planets lol and would be mommas already. Unless they are evolved to be immortal or long lifes of ages, and get nice ships....they may be stupid enough to get here.

But a lost home world as said also means they may get here too but is unlikely seeing how fast singularly occurs.

So............if they are stupid while can get here then yes (& they will just live here & likely sample)...........or if they lose home world ship and are lucky to be able to get here (stupid also seeing how fast singularity ccurs, they wouldnt LOSE their place) then they get here and don't sample us and just live/work on supermomma

both cases they want to just live n blend in obviously

Because normally to be able to reach here requires tech like year 2012-2060 and so by that time we made ASI......no losing home world...no need to travel to other planets and save them yet

Basically I'm saying that no one (except for momabogs) is coming here and the singularity of a civilization happens very very fast.

[AndyGoode]

The singularity occurs fast when a civilization reaches our capability. So any space travelling aliens would not spend time trying to kink down some grocery shoppers bags for trinkets.

That's a good point, but I didn't say I necessarily believe claims of human contact with extraterrestrial aliens. That's why I'm still researching the topic, in fact. I do take that possibility seriously, though.

There are a few things I learned in my research that might negate your Singularity argument, though:
(1) The term "alien" (and "space") can mean about four different things, as far as I can tell: extraterrestrial alien, inter-loka being, spirit entity, or artilect. Not all such entities are said to inhabit an environment where science and nature as we know it exist, or in a form where progress can occur.
(2) The Singularity might be a state where the implied wisdom thus gained dictates that lower creatures are to be left alone to develop on their own, just as our modern natural parks system takes a "hands off" approach to helping wildlife, even in cases of drought, wildfires, or other conditions that seem wrong from a human perspective. That would mean that intelligent life on any given planet is monitored but not to be tampered with, which means that any given species is free *not* to advance, either as a whole or in part of its population, which means many intelligent species might still be competing or warring with each other. Or buying trinkets or gambling in a casino.
(3) Reaching the Singularity might create such a stress on any species reaching it that such a species might typically destroy itself as a result.

[LOCKSUIT]

Warring happens, but when you get too far like building computers, selling them i stores etc, things do take off, otherwise you get warring apes still in the jungle yes. The AIs reasons, including human-like beings, using language that describes plans/actions/sequences/things, that to become immortal is better, and how to do so. It is living life, very happy, so immortality is the go-to cue of lust, for us all. It is a better feeling. At singularity, and such wisdom point, they do become immortals, and they do save all yes, because they value to add immortals and not remove them. Of course you may not be able to save all, nor in time, if infinite universe and many have already died. It may be required that some do exist though so that they can harvest the lost information back and resurrect the dead. So someone must survive may be the rule, even though the beautiful 'no one should die rule' has already been mocked by our universe. It's not sad so many animal guts have been eaten alive and squished, it's sad that even 1 was allowed to die away. In that  case a momma civ may just keep to themselves, maybe. So someone must survive may be the rule. But ya as for singularity, it occurs faster....it seems cells duplicate and spread faster, eventually not bre able to eat all of earth and only spread a bit like dust, and then intelligently smart animals come soon and get smarter and do the rest of the populating exponentially faster more than cells could duplicate (all earth isnt a ball of cells, yet humans are populating lots of human bodies, taking up cells jobs!) until they humans populate so much that they find a better way and make nano ASI that blows it all away with true earth eating. So my point here is singularity occurs exponentially faster, even if wars of apes, it continues, and finds its 3 ways (cells, intelligent bodies, then supernanobots that can finally eat all of Earth) so long as not meteorited planet! Or etc.

[AndyGoode]

that to become immortal is better

Or maybe reaching the Singularity partly means that the realization hits you that your former pursuit of local negative entropy (i.e., life or life-like states) was just a pointless game, whereupon the newly enlightened entity decides to stop playing the game altogether--basically it commits suicide because it realizes that immortal is *not* better, that all action is in vain, and progress has no inherent value. In that case the newly enlightened species wouldn't be interested in "helping" another species reach the same state because the "helped" species would then just reach want to commit suicide, too, just like the enlightened species. If that is true, then "helping" would be the same as destroying.

[LOCKSUIT]

I too have thought just that ideas. I hope for immortality though, as it drives me for pleasures. On that topic, below is my huge posts to you guys on the 2 threads were talked on, because below is a build up to some cool discoveries. Particularly the new one i love i made is in red writing highlighted.




Evolution made man....man was given rewards (food etc) which keep him or his DNA offspring alive. Man can make an AGI want to kill everyone. Humans have died before from such exact reason, so there's no golden rule stopping it. Keep it local then? I agree. But then progress is slower too. Best to give he world pieces of it to advance, and have a small but large team of trusty members lol. It seems openai is doing this, asking for repitive feedback for both gpt-2 and Musenet.
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It does fall apart, like in a murder scene...nothing makes sense.....Jupiter blows up...

With the cells that spawn in the water long ago, it duplicates...all the other things that were spawned on Earth didn't duplicate, so, as soon as THAT appeared, then, well, it spreads! That specific system spreads.

Then, with mammals, they spreaded, too. They did when they got the horny toads going. Although self birth is a thing too, but either way it works too. This is like the cell duplication STILL, however, the difference is the smarts....why did the smarter evolve everywhere and not just smart populating fungus that can turn all into more cells? That'd seem easier and happen fast once they start cell duplicating, why not just eat all matter and be a brainless mass? Can they not eat rock? Nanobot of sophicataction can turn matter into any atom type through nuclear change. Anyhow, it seems like the reason it shifted to smarts populating and not just cell is because......hmm........gotta think... Notice I attempted to answer my question by saying it and then turned up dry....hehe
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You're so cute AndeyGoodey...nope.....aliens do not visit Earth.

The singularity occurs fast when a civilization reaches our capability. So any space travelling aliens would not spend time trying to kink down some grocery shoppers bags for trinkets. Please. Highly unlikely but not impossible cus anything is possible as we discussed, just unlikely for some more so.

They would be immortal, in a huge immortal ship, saving us. Not pepping through solo lone being a jerk or doing unefficient things. That's way efficient.

Not efficient. Please stop.

Further, if one got here, they'd have better chance to use their own planet or another planet and eat it using the huge gobbler momma. If they lost their plannets, then, well, they would need a gobbler momma god. And if they don't have one, and come to Earth, then they would want a safe haven to be ABLE to make the momma eater. And that takes time to make one grow. So ok there's a chance aliens lost their home orld and need to continue to BUILD here because they don't have a momma life-saver and are just a skinny twig with 4 arm. Hmm...that means they would not want to make notice of themselves, and blend in, to make a momma gobbler. And that takes time, like anyone. You need to do research first, so it'll depend on how much it has researched. Worse case, the twig/s that arrived know very little how to make a goddler, and are just trying to live their life and not even work on one. So, if they are stupid enough to come here, then you get ones that want to just blend in and live or study us and send data back, but nothing too crazy, maybe some blood though on the wall. While if they lost their home, it seem understandable. While if they lost their home and need a place to continue building a momma bird, then great they are highly educated and need once again a place to live and work.
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However losing your home world seems unlikely to travel here because to get here requires quite advanced knowledge, so they would figure out fast not to travel the planets lol and would be mommas already. Unless they are evolved to be immortal or long lifes of ages, and get nice ships....they may be stupid enough to get here.

But a lost home world as said also means they may get here too but is unlikely seeing how fast singularly occurs.

So............if they are stupid while can get here then yes (& they will just live here & likely sample)...........or if they lose home world ship and are lucky to be able to get here (stupid also seeing how fast singularity ccurs, they wouldnt LOSE their place) then they get here and don't sample us and just live/work on supermomma

both cases they want to just live n blend in obviously

Because normally to be able to reach here requires tech like year 2012-2060 and so by that time we made ASI......no losing home world...no need to travel to other planets and save them yet

Basically I'm saying that no one (except for momabogs) is coming here and the singularity of a civilization happens very very fast.
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Warring happens, but when you get too far like building computers, selling them i stores etc, things do take off, otherwise you get warring apes still in the jungle yes. The AIs reasons, including human-like beings, using language that describes plans/actions/sequences/things, that to become immortal is better, and how to do so. It is living life, very happy, so immortality is the go-to cue of lust, for us all. It is a better feeling. At singularity, and such wisdom point, they do become immortals, and they do save all yes, because they value to add immortals and not remove them. Of course you may not be able to save all, nor in time, if infinite universe and many have already died. It may be required that some do exist though so that they can harvest the lost information back and resurrect the dead. So someone must survive may be the rule, even though the beautiful 'no one should die rule' has already been mocked by our universe. It's not sad so many animal guts have been eaten alive and squished, it's sad that even 1 was allowed to die away. In that  case a momma civ may just keep to themselves, maybe. So someone must survive may be the rule. But ya as for singularity, it occurs faster....it seems cells duplicate and spread faster, eventually not bre able to eat all of earth and only spread a bit like dust, and then intelligently smart animals come soon and get smarter and do the rest of the populating exponentially faster more than cells could duplicate (all earth isnt a ball of cells, yet humans are populating lots of human bodies, taking up cells jobs!) until they humans populate so much that they find a better way and make nano ASI that blows it all away with true earth eating by using nuclear re-arrangement. So my point here is singularity occurs exponentially faster, even if wars of apes, it continues, and finds its 3 ways (cells, intelligent bodies, then supernanobots that can finally eat all of Earth) so long as not meteorited planet! Or etc.
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To answer my question, smart cellular bodies populate more than fongu because they FIND FOOD more than fungus does.....suitable food that is, since rock isnt useable until advanced nanobots come.

So the goal that evolved them into intelligent bodies was the search for food. As for sex, hmm, why not asexual reproduction, hmm, well, women used to bear the child and raise it, while men hunt, no? :)

Eventually, they were includingly told they love 'pink' and to act cute and not get technical, which sucks haha.

This why cells spawned and duplicated, until the spreading stopped and only intelligent animals continued the populating further (search for food and reproduce system). Finally superintelligent nanobots come who can easily find food, anywhere, as it eats all of Earth.

[LOCKSUIT]

Now Lock is ultra genius after those discoveries. Coooool. I really got and get somewhere by playing these ideas, going with them, weighing in on them, cleaning and revising.

[HS]

wow

EDIT: I'll contribute a poem about aliens:
 
"Alien alien in the sky, dropped a test tube in me eye, but me a big boy, me no cry, me just happy cows no fly!"

 

[LOCKSUIT]

Now you can trust me I have how AGI works too (ok, mostly, mostly). I have gotten it now. It all relates and covers everything.

AGI is a search-space narrow-downer using a hierarchy of attention contexts.

[LOCKSUIT]

Woah,

Further:
Only a few people on Earth change Earth in technology. Somewhat true. The first cell that spawned......the first intelligent animal organism that spawned......the first ASI nanobots that (will) spawned. Just after one of these made, the whole game changes/upgrades to the next level. On a smaller sub scale, during inventions, some new methods wipe out others, like computer screens over old fasion ink & paper. I feel the more sub we go here, the less it holds true, because the whole point of bizzilions of nano brains is to invent just that many new advances! More brains/eyes/arms, more R&D faster!! Just less impact; the higher the impact the less of these there is. It's like this then:

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Now add S exponential curves to that (new advances start out slow, get faster, then dye off for next level) and an exponential to the whole thing and it is to scale.

[LOCKSUIT]

Like this:

[LOCKSUIT]

So as we can see, we have 3 types of S curves basically. The larger sudden changes come from very few 'people', less like in a discovery/invention, more like like in computers curve type 2, and most like in curve type3 ASInanobots. Yes they use all the previous helpers to achieve the next step, ex. i can use a computer and telephone to code ASI.

[HS]

A few scientists follow the way of the conjecture kangaroo. Most follow the tortoise of collective progress; they mostly wait around to hitch a ride. Then they get all these great new concepts to play with, and work out the details to, and applications of, which is what they're good at. Like when Einstein said E=mc² and everyone else got busy. But nanobots might be all tortoise and zero kangaroo, they are all the same so they can't tag team the invention process. I mean, with an ASI the tortoise would be moving fast as heck, but might still be lacking in the "all terrain capabilities". What I'm trying to say, is that if the nanobots are doing all the field work, then they may need something intellectually symbiotic to them to handle the lofty stuff.