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Chatbots => General Chatbots and Software => Topic started by: Art on December 16, 2015, 01:46:08 am

Title: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on December 16, 2015, 01:46:08 am
Well whatever it is, you decide:
Haven't found much on it or the company aside from doing some basic looking around. It seems a lot similar to all of those knowledgebots...sort of like Google Now, Cortana and Siri and Alexa and...you get the picture.

Of course the Open Source part would make it interesting for personal use within our own creations...if it's even real...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DmV6k197k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6DmV6k197k)
or this Eight minute demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeSqLMIKhBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeSqLMIKhBA)

Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: DemonRaven on December 16, 2015, 05:54:55 pm
it looks good but when I tried to find the sites listed for it there was nothing on it literally.The sites were there but the pages were pretty much blank.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: squarebear on December 16, 2015, 08:04:42 pm
14 seconds into the first video shows me that this is yet another ALICE clone.

You said: what's on your mind
A.L.I.C.E.: I am thinking about robots.


Standard response. Nothing to see here. Move along please... ::)

*EDIT* At 1:21 in the first video, it even uses my shutup.aiml file where if you say "shut up" to the bot, it will stop talking until you say sorry.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: squarebear on December 16, 2015, 08:19:51 pm
There's also a video of it using my yomama.aiml file:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_Rwun58dg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_Rwun58dg)
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Don Patrick on December 16, 2015, 09:01:38 pm
The blinking is a bit fidgety but otherwise a nice minimalistic design. I wish I had that accuracy of voice recognition. Looks like maybe it's a browser window with an input field to dictate to, it seems to copy-paste the input field to process it, so I'd say the interface is a front to a second program running behind it, reading the clipboard.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 16, 2015, 11:26:44 pm
Yet another conundrum for chatbots developers.
Should it be web published or kept private?

One solution for not publishing is to substitute an
open source knowledgebase, and keep yours private.

Rather than a clone per se, it may be just a test run,
of an open source A.I engine, using a substitute knowledgebase.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 17, 2015, 01:04:38 am
Don said, "I wish I had that accuracy of voice recognition.'

No recommendations made here, but Arduino has
Speech Recognition which looks promising.

http://hackaday.com/2013/12/31/an-arduino-with-better-speech-recognition-than-siri/ (http://hackaday.com/2013/12/31/an-arduino-with-better-speech-recognition-than-siri/)

Could it be that big, fat personal computers are just
not the best platforms for interacting with artificial intelligence?
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on December 17, 2015, 02:06:14 am
So Steve...is "Your Shutup.aiml" file Yours, or is it in the Public Domain meaning accessible to anyone and everyone who decides to make use of it? Are there restrictions attached? Just curious as to the status of your file in which case this person might be violating some intellectual piece of property or similar.

I was referring to the overall program / interaction as a whole. Sure there are hundreds of ALICE Clones but within each of them there are possibly tens or hundreds of words, phrases or lines of unique code, responses or replies that are Not part of an ALICE cloned bot. I think that's where a lot of the fun can come from...making it a personal project or one of your own, so to speak.

You don't think anyone has ever said that Mitsuku was another Pandora Bot Clone? That sort of hurts one's feelings no matter who because each of us takes some pride in our creations or I think we should, or why bother. Just saying.

Show's over here! Nothing new! Really?
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Don Patrick on December 17, 2015, 08:34:11 am
Well, I think if anything the entire voice interface setup is novel and something chatbot developers would want, and have asked for often. It also seems to be retrieving paragraphs from Wikipedia and something about calculating distances between places, which is a Google Maps service somewhere. Not every chatbot is tied into those things.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 17, 2015, 02:24:48 pm
Thanks for sharing your intuition, squarebear,
I had not realized that before you mentioned it.
It made me take more interest in Luna
and how far open source A.I. has come.

So, I found your criticism constructive,
meaning it was a useful contribution to
the discussion of Luna, for me.

And, I also enjoyed the way you made fun
to Luna, and the responses it teased!  ;)
That helps boost ratings for the author of
this discussion thread.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: squarebear on December 17, 2015, 02:56:59 pm
My shutup.aiml and yomama.aiml are free for anyone to use. No intellectual copyright has been broken. I could see very little deviation between this and the standard ALICE responses and cannot see anything new here (apart from a nice interface) but please feel free to enlighten me.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 17, 2015, 03:34:15 pm
Squarebear in part said, "I could see very little deviation"

Small changes may be significant.  For example, Luna, very little deviation or not, now has 89 comments and a 97% approval rate on Youtube.  Roughly, 70% (89÷124) of those who approved, also commented.  The reception of Luna itself qualifies as a legitimate deviation, I would say.

This is open source folks. Meaning we all know or can gain the  knowledge to do this...  I think, based on open source projects I've evaluated... I may have some idea how to build a rudimentary prototype like this.  Not that it would be trivial, by any means.

So, a new question might be, what can we learn from this?  Or, is it too late?  If Luna has apparently vanished, it is unlikely due to, very little deviation, wouldn't you say?  Is Luna no longer among the robots without borders?
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: squarebear on December 17, 2015, 09:23:36 pm
Sorry if I have offended anyone but I genuinely can't see why this was singled out rather than any of the other thousands of ALICE clones, especially as there appears to be no available demo to try it out. I'm guessing the video had pre-scripted answers to the questions.

I think, based on open source projects I've evaluated... I may have some idea how to build a rudimentary prototype like this.  Not that it would be trivial, by any means.

Go to www.pandorabots.com (http://www.pandorabots.com) ---> create a free account ---> click on "create bot"
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 17, 2015, 09:32:44 pm
Oh, I'm not offended.  I'm entertained.  This thread is forum gold, I think !

According to this podcast... 

Luis Arana talks Robots Without Borders, AI, the Turing test,
and the future of humanity

https://soundcloud.com/getbusypodcast/30-luis-arana-talks-robots-without-borders-ai-the-turing-test-and-the-future-of-humanity

Luis Arana claims he is going to enter the Loebner Prize Contest twice, and win first and second place!

Thanks for starting this thread, Art.

Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: squarebear on December 17, 2015, 09:45:35 pm
Luis Arana claims he is going to enter the Loebner Prize Contest twice, and win first and second place!

Only one entry per person....

I just listened to part of the podcast. He's also in for a shock if he thinks each round is 3 minutes.
I do like his trick about the phone number though.  ;D
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 17, 2015, 10:17:22 pm
I figured out where Luna got her name?

It is... Lu-is ... Ara-na the first two letters
of his first name and the last two letters
of his last name.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Don Patrick on December 19, 2015, 07:02:33 am
I thought the name 'Robots without borders' sounded familiar: He's entered this year's Loebner Prize (http://www.aisb.org.uk/events/loebner-prize#Results2015), but all the answers to the questions are blank. Perhaps an oversight of the AISB, because they did score it 45%. That's not exactly close to 2nd place though.

Randomly looking into this:
http://futureculturemagazine.blogspot.nl/p/interview-with-luis-arana.html (http://futureculturemagazine.blogspot.nl/p/interview-with-luis-arana.html)
https://www.facebook.com/robotswithoutborders/ (https://www.facebook.com/robotswithoutborders/)

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The eyes and the voice that people associate with Luna is actually a simple user interface for interacting with artificial intelligence.  The original Luna became popular in the art and technology community in Brooklyn and then YouTube.  Luna isn't the project itself per se.  Think of it as a browser for AI.
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Luna has the ability to query Watson through their API.  In other words, Luna already has Watson inside, and Wolfram Alpha, and many others.
From everything I've seen, it's more show than contents. Especially that video of a supposed "AI brain" projected on the wall is totally faked from Iron Man 3. Weird case, ordinary chatbot.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 19, 2015, 02:06:02 pm
Don mentioned, "From everything I've seen, it's more show than contents."

Well, you know, not that "more show" is a bad thing, right?  Obviously from the response, people find that appealing.  In other words, I think Luis did a good job on marketing and communications. 

As for "contents", also known as the script, if we consider the 1960s, even then it was interchangeable to allow for domain specific knowledge, or whatever they called it in the pioneering days.   Nowadays, the script is called the API.

Has anyone else noticed we have a blissful contributor to this thread.  Congratulations on a futuristic display of your avocation, which effectively places it in same class as IBM Watson!

Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on December 19, 2015, 02:52:00 pm
Interesting...I listened to the majority of the podcast interview and while a lot of topics discussed, I found interesting, most were nothing that hasn't been discussed and volleyed on this forum at one time or another.

Also interesting was that he claims to have been included early on in Watson's development as a tester and that he uses many AI techniques within the confines of his chatbot. These would be Watson, Wolfram Alpha, Wiki and even Steve Worswick's Shutup routine along with who knows how many other sources. Pack it all in then see what we get.

As a side note I found:
Kurzweil almost seems to be shifting his stance to the position that there might not be ONE A.I. but rather that WE will become the A.I. in the future. Bionics, Transhumanist implants and other devices to help augment our bodies and minds. Ohh...it's going to be a most interesting journey...especially for those who still might have 50 years to give! ;)
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Don Patrick on December 19, 2015, 06:58:52 pm
I don't mind show, I'm an artist myself and I acknowledge his talent in the visual arts. But I think the wrapping shouldn't be twice as big as the box. That tends to cause a backlash in reception later on.

I don't think it's unbelievable that he should have worked with IBM's Watson (depends how "early on"), as IBM has handed out the Watson API several years ago when they had run out of profitable applications for it and hoped that independent developers would come up with more. I reckon the money is now coming from Watson tech support.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: 8pla.net on December 20, 2015, 05:21:21 pm
CONVERSATION FLOW EXPERIMENT

Description: A conversation flow experiment.
Purpose: Find a conversation flow algorithm on an active forum thread.


Code
          		

1)        Art: Well whatever it is, you decide:

2) DemonRaven: It looks good but when I tried to find
the sites listed for it there was
nothing

3) squarebear: 14 seconds into the first video shows
me that this is yet another clone.

4)        Don: The blinking is a bit fidgety but
otherwise a nice minimalistic design.

5)   8pla.net: Rather than a clone per se, it may be
just a test run, of an open source A.I
engine

6)        Art: I think that's where a lot of the fun
can come from.

7)   8pla.net: This is open source folks. Meaning we
all know or can gain the  knowledge to
do this.

8) squarebear: I just listened to part of the
podcast.

9)        Don: From everything I've seen, it's more
show than contents.

10)        Art: Oh... it's going to be a most
interesting journey.

11)        Don: I don't mind show, I'm an artist
myself.




So far, we know who said what and the sequence in which it was said.
What do we need next?

Source code snippet:

array (
  0 =>
  array (
    0 => '',
    1 => 'FORUM THREAD ANALYSIS',
  ),
  1 =>
  array (
    0 => 'Art',
    1 => 'Well whatever it is, you decide:',
  ),
  2 =>
  array (
    0 => 'DemonRaven',
    1 => 'It looks good but when I tried to find the sites listed for it there was nothing',
  ),
  3 =>
  array (
    0 => 'squarebear',
    1 => '14 seconds into the first video shows me that this is yet another ALICE clone.',
  ),
  4 =>
  array (
    0 => 'Don',
    1 => 'The blinking is a bit fidgety but otherwise a nice minimalistic design.',
  ),
  5 =>
  array (
    0 => '8pla.net',
    1 => 'Rather than a clone per se, it may be just a test run, of an open source A.I engine',
  ),
  6 =>
  array (
    0 => 'Art',
    1 => 'I think that's where a lot of the fun can come from.',
  ),
  7 =>
  array (
    0 => '8pla.net',
    1 => 'This is open source folks. Meaning we all know or can gain the  knowledge to do this.',
  ),
  8 =>
  array (
    0 => 'squarebear',
    1 => 'I just listened to part of the podcast.',
  ),
  9 =>
  array (
    0 => 'Don',
    1 => 'From everything I've seen, it's more show than contents.',
  ),
  10 =>
  array (
    0 => 'Art',
    1 => 'Oh... it's going to be a most interesting journey.',
  ),
  11 =>
  array (
    0 => 'Don',
    1 => 'I don't mind show, I'm an artist myself.',
  ),
)

Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on March 04, 2016, 08:49:37 pm
Came across an article / interview with Luis Arana and his Robots Without Borders "Non-profit" organization of which he is the CFO and A.I. Senior Engineer. His company promotes the use of robotics and A.I. to help solve world hunger and other socioeconomic problems that exist. He lists a very long and impressive group of companies for which he served as web designer, consultant, programmer, etc. Most of these companies you would recognize by their name alone and are pretty top notch.
In the interview he also states that any contributor would be placed on the list for any beta testing that might occur. Later, he also states that he is homeless in Brooklyn, NY.

I don't quite get how some can achieve fame and money over the years yet something as simple as saving and investing some of that money is as foreign as a microbe on a distant planet!

Not meaning to degrade Luis for I have also lost everything in my life and had to start over. While there is no shame in that, it is devastating but not insurmountable unless one lets it be. I do wish him much luck and hope that some of his A.I. experiments are more real than gleaned from a chatbot site and a webpage.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Don Patrick on March 05, 2016, 08:28:13 am
I believe I read that being homeless was a choice. Without funding or profit, the money has got to come from somewhere, and living in a tent saves a lot of money.
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on March 05, 2016, 01:45:16 pm
True, but it does little to nothing in the way of promoting one's presence or one's product, whether real or imagined.

Life, is all about choices. O0
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on July 12, 2016, 02:37:27 pm
In an effort to continue this topic, I noticed Luis has posted an updated version of his bot, LUNA. He claims it is contained in less than 1 GB of ram (which is a fair amount of info for a bot at any rate). Luna does seem to have a fairly nice routine for searching and obtaining "her" answers.

While I found the avatar nicely human, it would have such a better effect if it could actually be lip-synced to the speech. Yes, I know that would be a tall order but life is about speculation and choices. My take. Personally, I like Luna!  O0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMELLrdCR0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMELLrdCR0)
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: bijit on May 26, 2017, 08:57:19 am
how can i talk with luna
Title: Re: Luna - Open Source Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Art on May 26, 2017, 02:45:14 pm
Welcome bijit.

At the moment you can't chat with Luna. Luis doesn't seem to have an online site nor a downloadable version of Luna.
The best you can do at the present is to do a search on YouTube and view the various videos of "her". Here are a few I found:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeSqLMIKhBA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeSqLMIKhBA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMELLrdCR0&t=439s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMELLrdCR0&t=439s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXawXk5pTAM&t=111s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXawXk5pTAM&t=111s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKyPE6s5qg0&t=85s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKyPE6s5qg0&t=85s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5UvJPGS_XI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5UvJPGS_XI)