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Member's Experiments & Projects => General Project Discussion => Topic started by: Dante on September 04, 2008, 01:43:33 pm
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Admin Edit : This topic has been moved from elsewhere as it branched away from the original topic.
Edit : Unfortunately this project is now closed - maybe another time....
As to what I can bring to the table;
I'm currently writing an AI encyclopaedia (for free, of course)
And the AIBO? If I was a capitalist, I'd probably charge for the Encyclopaedia, but I shan't, so AIBO will probably remain out of my grasp, I'm too kind like that :P
still, donatations wouldn't go amiss :P
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Interesting about the encyclopedia, I was thinking of starting an AI WIKI, but to do that effectively I think we would need to upgrade servers.
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A wiki would be nice, I know of many articles on Wikipedia already, but they are disjointed, and whereas there is one or two Wiki's for AI, one is privitie, the other was abandoned.
I shall talk with my other admin and see if our site can support one.
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Ok that's great. I do have a blank WIKI set up already on this server, just so you know. I was just waiting till the day I thought of something useful to do with it. We could probably host it ok short-term, it just depends a lot on how much it actuallly get used. One bridge at a time really...if it did prove popular then I would find some way of hosting it effectively.
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Wish I'd learnt that eariler, my co-admin is setting one up, I beleive.
this is the basic info package I wrote;
The AI Wiki is a wiki designed to archive and categorize AI and robotics projects such as natural language bots; software bots in general, Autonomous Vehicles, Game AI, Medical, Engineering and Scientific bots as well as keep track of Robot Ethics.
It is intended to serve as a �hub� of factual information and will keep track of websites, news, terminology, books, history and compare real life projects to machines idealized in fiction.
Why?
The AI Hub Wiki was created out of a desire to �build bridges� among the AI community, allowing others to compare and conceptualize as well as archive.
I can't say I think it wise to have TWO wiki's, but you and everyone else interested are perfectly welcome to post info on the wiki when it's setup.
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Hmmm, well as it was my idea, I would have prefered some consultation on where it gets hosted...I did say I could look into hosting it and my plans were pretty much in place.
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I apologise, but the AI Hub's website is not really designed for archiving, I jumped on the idea asi've been searching for an alternitive for donkey's years :p
If you'd prefer, we could merge...the proposition was to build bridges....
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You mean work on the AI WIKI as a joint venture ? That sounds fine. Thanks for the apology, I didn't mean to sound funny, but I just felt a little like my idea was here one minute and then whisked away to be done somewhere else without me really having much to say about it.
I was also thinking that both those sites that seem to be abandoned could supply a good start for things in the WIWI.
As this topic has branched out I have split it into a new thread....
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Good idea,
Via the AI Encyclopaedia, I cant help but think it would be better as a Wiki, rather then an e-book.
In one way, your idea was whisked away deep into my imagination :P.
I'm considering looking into storage for bots and relevant software, I don't want a repeat of the TANU Incident.
If there is anyone familiar with programming, we could get our own wiki-bot to take Tyler's job :P
...then again, I do wonder if Tyler 'is' a bot...
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I did make an AMIL bot that sent you to WIKI pages, but I am guessing you mean for the bot to use the WIKI as a knowledge base ?
As for Tyler, she is completely automated. All she does is check whatever rss feed I have her connected to and then if there is something new she posts about it. I didn't write her myself, she was a plug-in for the forum, I didn't see the point of re-inventing the wheel.
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Yes, a bot to direct and compare. I was also thinking of having a bot that could, in effect, take news articles from sites, send them to the administrator's of the wiki (so they could be worked upon and catagorized) , andthe bot would then writethe finished item into the wiki
Look up the OpenCYC Wiki project, they effectively turn Wikipedia into a machine-readable database. I wonder if we could do the same?
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Certainly food for thought...
After some deliberation a WIKI has been started here :
http://aidreams.co.uk/aiwiki
I'm pretty much a noobie when it come to WIKI's but everyone is welcome to work on this project.
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This Wiki is a very good idea.
I hope there will be also a category for
*AIML
*Chatbots
*Pandorabot and second life
*AI and second life
*Perhaps a bit Philosophy and AI
*Psychology and AI
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Yeah! Cool idea! :)
Now needs to be filled. Then it will be GREAT!! 8)
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Thanks for the ideas Siggi38, that's just the kind of thing we need. Any of you two familiar with WIKI building ?
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Never done that. Looks like a never-ending task.
Maybe it's the first step that costs. ::)
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True, but the more people working on it the easier it will be ::)
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I think Tyler has a screw loose ::)
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I think there are more than a few :o
Bumping this topic...
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We have a handy link yet or am I being my usual dumb blind admin self hehe ? ;D
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Ok, you'll need to sign up to do any changes.
SPAMBOT PROTECTION; REPLACE ikiwia WITH aiwiki FOR LINK TO WORK
http://aidreams.co.uk/ikiwia/index.php?title=Main_Page
Here is a list of things to get started on;
Topics covered (or to cover);
Symbolism
Time-line of AI and robotics (preferably starting out around the mythical brazen heads, Golem, mechanical turk, mechanical duck et al)
Artificial Intelligence in every day Life.
(Including security, in the home, airport management, air-craft, assistive systems (like speech recognition)
Artificial Creativity (painting, poetry, joke generation, music generation, music accompaniment et al)
Semantic Web
List of non-newbie friendly terminology
List of problems (cascade failure, etc)
Connectism
Ziph's Law
Robo-Ethics.
Natural Language Processing.
(AIML should be part of this catagory)
Artificial Neural Networks
Blackboard System
AI in fiction and how it relates to the real world (plausibilty, possible uses, etc)
Intelligent Agent systems (tutoring systems, care systems)
Theories of Systems (Hologenic Brain, Society of Mind, etc)
Social Robotics
Developmental Robotics.
Cognitive Robotics.
Evolutionary Robotics.
List of software that can be used as simulators and sand-boxes combined with list of software designed to be simulators/sandboxes.
Overview of public perception of AI and robots (mad, bad, etc)
Game AI approaches (SPORE, Grand Theft Auto 4, Halo 2 and 3, Assassin's Creed etc)
Overview on AI (and AI-based) projects (ANIMOTO, Leef Project, Project HALO, Project CALO, DARPA Urban Challange, et al)
Remember, your free to create a page about your projects and/or those you find interesting, but the whole thing would be better if kept unbiased (strong points as well as weak points, no exaggeration, etc)
Under the title there are two lines, under those two lines is my name, if you wish to add more to the list of things to do insert it between the two lines and add your digitial signiture.
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Well done Dante, just what we needed ;D
Mav, there is now a link in the top menu, after gallery, I dropped the chatroom because no one ever uses it.
Here's a place to start on the timeline :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2001/artificial_intelligence/1531432.stm
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List of software that can be used as simulators and sand-boxes combined with list of software designed to be simulators/sandboxes.
is what i'll be working on, Freddy, could you do a little tutorial on how to create a page, catagory, etc?
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I'll see what I can russle up. :) I need to figure out categories for myself! I'll work on the timeline for starters too.
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Well, I think I worked out Categories but have yet to put it into practice.
So instead of reinventing the wheel, here are some pages about categories :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories (A simple page)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories (In depth details)
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category (Useful page, probably the best place to start)
Hope that helps. At some point I guess we should assimilate some parts of those pages into our WIKI. I'll see about that when I have understood it more and actually started using the feature.
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Any links to info about how to create pages?
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Creating pages is simple. Just tap the name of your proposed page into the search box and click. Then if the page doesn't exist it gives you the option to create it.
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oh good! I do hope there is some sort of mechanism to find all pages, I'd rather not lose them;
my Co-Admin, Anxiety, on the AI Hub is linking the site to the Wiki, we get on average about 500 hits a day, so we could draw up some recruiters that way
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Keeping track of things will be a lot easier when we have figured it out properly I am sure. If you want to see all pages :
Click 'Special Pages' from the mainpage menu on the left side, which will give you a page full of links. Click 'All Pages' under the List of Pages heading.
Hope that makes sense. There's only two pages on there at the moment - the 'mainpage' and a 'test page' which I set up for people to mess around with.
Great news about the link from AI Hub, the more the merrier ;D
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I've finished the AI simulators page. Now planning the List of Problems.
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You can make the download of whole "Wikipedia"!!! Here is different possibilities of download, and link.
Wikipedia (226 MB) - This is the new file which holds the first paragraph of the articles, all 1.3+ million of them. For most people this will be the most useful. (File Version 01)
Wikipedia Complete (1.1 GB +) - various cuts made by Erik Zachte. Its, contains the full wikipedia with full articiles
Wikipedia Compact (49MB) - For this one we took a number of indexes from various encylopedia sources, merged them and then compared against the wikipedia. Close to a traditional encyclopedia in terms of scope.
http://yadabyte.blogspot.com/2007/02/introducing-new-wikipedia-tomeraider.html :)
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Could be useful, but I have no intention of downloading Wikipedia (an offline version would certainly be nice!) and putting it on the AI Wiki's servers.
There's an AI portal, but that's very...loose compared to this project. How is the Timeline going, Freddy? Have you facotred in the AAAI's timeline?
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To be honest I have been a bit tied up in RealLife at the moment, but I am still working on it. Thanks for reminding me of the AAAI, I found a lot of useful information over there to include. This will take me a bit longer than I thought, but I will get there.
Also, I can't really see the point of downloading the whole of WIKI. It would be simpler just to put a link to it! ::) But I am sure there are things on WIKI we could borrow under the share-alike agreement.
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Lovely.
I use WikiTaxi, which allows me to download and use Wikipedia on my laptop (which is more or less my programming sandbox and thus, never a good idea to have a direct connection to anything)
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Been lapsing on this, but I am still working on the Timeline, been a bit pre-occupied with Linux experiments and also getting into graphical work again. Even so there's a few ideas I have still.
The first one is that we should organise 'borrowing' sections of the general world WIKI and put them in our WIKI.
Secondly, we need to organise further 'borrowing' of documents contained on the endangered sites Dante has mentioned.
And thirdly we need to spread the word some more on other forums and sites and try to engage more people. Eg Kurzwiel, Wallace (may like to do the AIML section) et al. If we can promote this as some kind of more global venture then I think that woould be nice.
Fourthly, this has to do with hosting - I find the current hosting to be okay but not brilliant, so maybe some time in the new year I will relocate us to more reliable hosting.
That's it for now though I also think developing this WIKI idea further will bring more people to the site in general, so all is good.
Pleased to hear any thoughts from anyone interested and willing to put a little time in every now and then.
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As you know also busy, but yeah have ideas of my own on this. Maybe we can split it up between people for certain sections (film, literature, aiml, bots etc etc) then we are not treading on each others toes etc.?
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Right now I'm happy to continue working on the more meta-physical topics (robo-ethics and all that) though I apologize as my life off the computer needed me a bit more recently.
As an idea, once the Wiki gets a bit more mature we could put in the Chatterbot Collection, we'd be free to add more detail, then, as well.
Glad to see your still playing with Linux, Freddy. :)
Something of interest; my army of spider bots found this; http://sal.jyu.fi/Z/3/index.shtml (http://sal.jyu.fi/Z/3/index.shtml)
a huge collection of AI programs, many for Linux, including CMU's new free speech recog system, Sphinx.
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No problem Dante, ReaLife has to come first. Good idea about putting the WIKI in the Chatterbot Collection, we'll do that. Also that link you found can go on there too.
Linux has been interesting, have five versions or so now because I was trying to get one that would boot from a USB pendrive - eventually found 'MCN Torronto' which works, it's an extension of Mandriva. Only problem is that the one I want to use is the Spring Mandriva 2008 because it has a funky desktop. Tried everything to make it work on my pendrive but it won't play along. Oh well, least something works.
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There are many, many diffrent distros, I would suggest others for a flash drive (like Damn Small Linux) as a flashy desktop may not be avaible on all machines you plug your USB into.
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Well, it's 2009, I might as well end my little work sabbatical and begin again, this time I'm looking at fictional AIs
So, this is my current list;
HAL 9000
Collosus
Wintermute
Neuromancer
Galatea
Janus
I'm looking for fictional AI in the movies, books and games. "AI" as defined here does not include robots.
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Sounds good, I should get back to working on the time-line too. Next week I am hoping my parts for the new PC arrive - they have been out of stock for a few weeks now. So fingers crossed I can get that done quickly and get back to the wiki. Maviarab was also interested in doing some work on movies and books too btw.
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Already have a lot done, just not added it yet, and Art was going to be approached about Books as he is well versed in that area.
This is what I was saying earlier, about we all really need to get an area and keep to it or we are all tripping over each others feet, but if Dante wants to do it then its fine with me.
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Hey, I dont mind, I'd rather I got on with my robo-ethcis though...we've got to get some way up for all of us to know what each other is working on.
I dont think we can really define areas. I can certinatly put my knowledge on the Wiki, but as it covers at least a bit of each part this could prove annoying :/
If someones looking for something to do, you might consider transferring some CC content over (IE: mini-biographics of those who wrote items located in the papers section, for instance)
If it's any help, this project is helping me get one of my books on paper :P
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Cool, well done :)
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Just been thinking; how about Google Docs? We could all collaborate on a single item at a time...
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Not too familiar with that, hows that work?
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Well, think of us all using a word processer, we can all see what everyone else is working on and we can go to the same document (hosted on Google's servers) and help out. It's like Microsoft office, but online and free. :P
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The AI WIKI seems to have died, no apparent reason, it was working fine. Too late for me to work on it tonight, will get on it asap.
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I guess I must have fixed that!
The WIKI currently will not allow new registrations. I did this because of a lot of spam being sent there. I don't have time to do anything about it at the moment. I am actually considering dropping the WIKI because nothing much has been done for it. Maybe I could change the entries into articles on Ai Dreams instead and do it that way.
Anyway, if any new users out there do feel compelled to work on the WIKI then shoot me an email and I will sort you out.
Cheers.
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SO Freddie, "sort me out"
I have some information that is obscure at best, I don't know the language but it refers to selective breeding and oddities.
With the finding of phrases/statements lately That date back to 2002 maybe something will happen, I feel all my work was cut up and passed around to various bots.
May not be WIKI material, but please advise.
Regards,
J.
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If it relates to AI then that's fine. Let me know if you need an account - send me a private message...
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A real Ai-Wiki has been set up! I'm going to start a new thread for it as I finish some thigs first - just wanted to let you know about it.
Link directly to the Wiki: http://ai-wiki.org (http://ai-wiki.org)
Regards.
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Splendid ! We did try to make a Wiki here as you can see, but not enough people got involved and I really did not have time for another project. It's good to hear someone else has taken on the challenge and I wish you luck :)
When you have time maybe you would like to become part of the Member's Projects page....
http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=members_projects_page
Oh and welcome to the site ;D
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The is a good AI wiki hosted on Wikia,
http://ai.wikia.com
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Thanks :) Maybe you guys should team up..