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Member's Experiments & Projects => General Project Discussion => Topic started by: LOCKSUIT on July 08, 2016, 07:08:49 am
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Hello Everyone, hello korrelan nice to see your work.
I come prepared now with something. The best thing thing you could imagine to have.
I've come a long way. When I was 18, I started The Everything - a hierarchical database of the most important knowledge; government, purpose, all immortality ways, etc. (Hierarchy is another way to Search besides Google or Deep Neural Networks, it's for us to use though.)
Now I am 21 in a few days, having probably finished all of human intelligence from August 12 2015 to yesterday, all while being 20. The reason I picked it up from a article AND feasted upon it is The E. Immortality. I was wise from 24/7 work. Smarter gets smarter faster.
Now, the video. It is spoken in extremely well English, yes. Each line is designed to grab you and pull you in closer. It is laid out in a sophisticated way that is organized and simple, leaving no room for questioning anything. You will drop to your knees in disbelief.
The video comes with a Transcript, but please watch the video first.
Start the video and start listening, after the *first *few *minutes you will be convinced into the video's 22 min duration. - Don't worry.
Iv'e even connected it up with the brain, the cortex areas and all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9QljtGXWF8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9QljtGXWF8)
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But, even though I have this, I do not yet have how to get humans to cooperate better.
Only Family or Wives remotely help you. Robots will do better.
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Hi BF33
Firstly… I'm pleased you read about my work. Cheers.
Secondly…the video... I’m by no means an expert but… OMG! I think you have inadvertently invented a new type of mental torture. I tried to watch it both with subtitles and with out, I then tried with the sound off and just subtitles… I managed around 8 minutes. Where did you find that TTS voice? I’ll give you 10/10 for tenacity but I personally think this video is not helping your cause. I can see you have put a lot of work into the production but… the timing, sentence syntax and imagery still need work; and I’d deffo scrap that voice.
I think I've mentioned before that on a site like this you are preaching to the converted. Most peeps on here already have their own theories and projects. Perhaps a site just for programmers looking for a project might be a better option?
Or… better yet; learn to program so you can build your own project.
Programming is not that difficult and can be extremely rewarding and fun. I would recommend you start with a simple yet powerful language like Microsoft Visual Basic 6 (VB6). Once you have an understanding of the techniques used in programming you can easily migrate to other languages although VB6 native compiles to 90% the speed of C so should provide you with what you require for a while.
I use several languages but still use VB6 for control interfaces because it’s very quick to get something up and running; and then write certain routines in C for extra speed when required.
This is how easy it can be to start programming. This is a very simple Chatbot written in VB6. The complete program is on the left and the User_Input box and program output are on the right… it’s that simple.
(https://aidreams.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnjTG2Km.png&hash=3123106c115f2881226ab5374f456095f9a97966)
There a literally thousands of example programs on the net and a very expansive help system within the language its self.
:)
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Did you..........see the................Transcript?.........................
>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sosg8m?new_post=true (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sosg8m?new_post=true)
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Anyone else have sore knees? I have to agree, the TTS voice might be nice for a brief exchange like with an AI Assistant but this lengthy document could use a better speaker.
Lots of material to cover here.
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It's actually small compared to my database. While explaining all of intelligence plus cortex/etc!
Did you read that the brain only stores and uses, senses and actions?
It's easy from there, you can read it in the Transcript in the above link.
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Yup I've read the transcript and I remember your theories well. I understood them before and the basics haven't changed.
I hope you do decide to learn programming though. :)
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I will need a million, plus a fleet of programmers, so I must prove my idea no I cannot make it by myself. It needs a human body.
Impossible it didn't convince you now.
Here's the two places humans lay for me to contact.
Each have two ways.
Homes
1. Meet - Family ONLY = :(
2. Online - Public (joke-y) = :(
Outside Places
1. Meet - Public
2. Online - Family ONLY = :(
So it seems I will now go meet a Family member, or go meet a professor.
I can use ask/prove/hire, so I will use my proof documents & prototype.
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If you skipped ANY of the beginning lines in the Transcript you screwed up.
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The Primary Cortex is a search and match destination for color and brightness.
The bigger Association Cortex is the main search and match destination.
The Higher Order Association Cortex is where all 5 link together.
Then it works opposite - the motors cortexs are same 3 but opposite.
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Hi BF33
I feel as though you are directing this conversation at me as you mentioned me in the first line of your first post so I’ll answer. Keep in mind that I’m no expert and these are just my opinions.
I didn’t skip any of the transcript, it was very interesting but honestly didn’t contain anything new; that everyone on this site already knows.
Impossible it didn't convince you now.
We have been through this before…
Everyone has a rough understanding or theory of how the human nervous system works. We all read the science and biology papers and draw our own conclusions along very similar lines to you.
We have a memory, we learn from experience, obviously we must have a method for searching memories and linking learned skills, etc… these are all obvious traits of the human condition.
The point you seem to be missing is ‘HOW’, the actual mechanics or methodology of these systems. You use the term ‘memory’ like it’s a known quantity, a box where memories/ skills are matched and the best match is bought to the memory front… WHAT is the format of those memories etc.
or go meet a professor. I can use ask/prove/hire
You are hoping/ asking/ expecting someone to write/ build your system but have no actual blue print or data on how to build the systems, techniques, algorithms, data structures etc.
So you will say to the programmer… I need a memory box that can store and search human memories… expecting him/ her to just be able to construct a system for you, your going to struggle with that lol.
In my opinion you always seem to get annoyed and frustrated because you are not just asking for feedback on your theories, you require that people see it as the ultimate solution and drop their own theories to follow your designs. As the design stands at the moment I could suggest that the memory box should be round… and it would be a valid design change.
I don’t know what else to say to you mate… show me a design for a memory system that can hold/ search/ recall human experiences and I’ll be more convinced… NOT just a drawing of a box lol.
You really need to learn some programming skills :)
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> My paper explains how senses are acquired and held, and are in the thin outer layer of the neocortex, and are Searched exactly there by the pathway right to it and are saved near it as assortments for searching. Primary Cortex is color&brightness for the starting of the Search for easy searching.
> Selection of a memory ONLY happens by either external or internal sense searching OR self-ignition. I explain their energy properties of themselves.
I do explain ALL I'm not kidding when I say this. Even sequences with the episodic memory bar.
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Don't act converted, because you don't have the tone of voice like you have 100% of human intelligence nor do I hear it, and because shutting your ears disables learning.
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Ya hear me?
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I agree with korrelan. You're in a state like when I started to wish to create AI, and went mad about it. Either way, if you want to brag about your theory, go out and do it. But just like you said, you would definitely need a million fleet of programmers -- because you wanted to jump through a million steps at once -- I mean, create a human body? Really?
I bragged about mine a while ago, now I'm filled with flame to work on it, again! :knuppel2: Although mind you, I did not study neural biology, so, I have almost no knowledge about the brain. My algorithm, although I've completed the planning, only partial of it works because I could not test the rest of it, I need to program it. I am working on my project -- alone... :'( HAH, NO ONE STEALS MY WORK. PFFFFFT... Just kidding, sorry.
Your transcript is interesting but quite confusing to read, I couldn't make out any general form of detail from most parts as it is extremely disorganized, and extremely wordy. Some stuff seems missing. Just like korrelan said, your transcript didn't provide the "how" part, mostly.
I'm a terrible reader... I'm sorry.
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The WHOLE goddamn thing is how, in fact most of it is damn energy properties of the neurons.
It explains all, ex. comparing, etc, U have to look better.
I'm in a state of perfection, it's ALL done, and I have a huge database.
Lastly my best line to prove it to you is:
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All that the brain does and therefore is needed is when and how the brain stores and uses senses and actions.
Rewards are not really tasty when processed, they rank tried actions generated.
Stored senses and their linked actions are only used; sensed and acted when they are selected, by either a external or internal(from ex match) match, or self ignition. Or by being linked to one.
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I'm in a state of perfection, it's ALL done, and I have a huge database.
As a theoretical exercise lets say I agreed to build your system.
Where would you have me start?
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I will need a million, plus a fleet of programmers, so I must prove my idea no I cannot make it by myself. It needs a human body.
Dun dun dun...... Time to get to work on creating a human body! -- Just kidding.
Well, korrelan, I hope you're kidding about doing it. O________________o I mean, I don't think... that by any chance that this will happen any time soon, I mean, you know, creating a human body, as the theory doesn't work without one, does it? -- does it have to be a real body? Just wondering.
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does it have to be a real body?
I have a couple of mates ‘Burke and Hare’ who can help with the raw materials, and I'm quite accomplished at stitching lol… Now where did I put those bolts?
I did say as a ‘theoretical exercise’.
I'm interested in the design specifics, memory type/ design, connectome design, cortex design, neuron types, sensors etc.
The gap between theory and practical/ physical implementation is my point.
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Aside from all those individual "synthetic" parts that could and do replace damaged or non-working parts and organs, scientists seem to be collectively working on another side of this thought.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/02/after-secret-harvard-meeting-scientists-publish-proposal-to-create-synthetic-human-genomes/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/02/after-secret-harvard-meeting-scientists-publish-proposal-to-create-synthetic-human-genomes/)
Lovely...just what the world needs.
Uhh...guys...better hurry up with your home-brewed android cause the real thing might soon be knocking on your door!
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***I explained the cortex 100%! May I go through it thoroughly with you's?
My instructions do-not say the chip or sensors etc that is for the "OMG ok I will start a corp." guy to start buying/arranging, I HAVE THE STUFF SOLVED, THEY JUST NEED TO BUILD IT.
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And... what about you? :D Sitting and relaxing in your fantastic chair with your hands clasped behind your head while waiting for someone to make it? If you want it to be built, you should rather be providing the steps required to build it. Don't expect anyone to have time decoding your super long transcript to work out the details. All you've been doing is bragging about your "100% guarantee will work" words.
To begin with, trim down your transcript into keywords, or extreme summaries in a categorized list. Order then into steps that actually makes sense... Make sure every possible details are these, especially how these parts are
connected. Provide the details of the materials. Provide everything that is needed. *Pant* .... *Pant* ... *Pant* ... After all, you said it yourself, 100% should work, so you would naturally have your information arsenal with you -- the only problem is that if you are actually 100% know that it's 100% works, and show everything to us with clearest possible way, that makes sense to even a kid.
This is the template of the details that you could provide.
- How many components we are seeing here?
- Why does it work?
- How does it work like that?
- What are the Steps to produce your 100% guarantee works theory?
- How are the systems connected?
- Why does the systems connected like that?
- And so on...
For example.
Part WWWXYZ - Ultimate Exploding Cortex
- BUT WAIT... What does the Ultimate Exploding Cortex do? What is it? OOOOHHHHHH... Such intrigue name, much curiosity, much wow... Someone, please... Answer me, what does it do exactly? TELL ME! NOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Pretty, please? *Sniff*
- It does this, it does that, and it does those.
- Oh, and that, too. Oh, wait, this too! Oh no no no, these too, and those!
- This, this, this -- and this.
- First, do this.
- Oh, do that.
- Then, do those...
Part ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP - Bomb-- I mean, Brain Defusion -- wait, what?
- THIS!
- Oh, no, THAT!
- But but but... What about this? Let's do this.
- Hell to your idea, we do that instead!
- NO! THOSE!
- No no no no no, first we do this.
- Fine, we will do just this.
- Stop you criminal scum, first we do that.
- But why...?
- Because you've violated the law, now...
- Pay your fine, or an arrow to the knee, do these.
Part 9000 - Connecting the parts like mad
Just kidding.
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What children in infancy you's all are.
They would want to once seen the proof, not "UH, pay me?"
What you failed to realize is all of the connections, order of steps in order, and in "makes sense" is completely there.
PRIMARY CORTEX
Receives visual input, and is only a preparation ground for starting the search, by using the assorted images to easily send the input to the either dark or light assortement of images, and same for images with similar color in areas of the image.
ASSOCIATION CORTEX
Is the next area where the search continues right to the match. Then it also saves here at the outer layer of the brain, near similar-images (assorted).
HIGHER ORDER ASSOCIATION CORTEX
As explained in the Transcript only the strongest senses then tether to the sequential memory bar, its sequence is guess/tweak all motor actions, and then save above them the sensed senses that were attentive(explained), which makes a set in the memory bar, then it restarts this process. This ranks just-tried-actions. And all senses in the top row and all actions in the bottom row are linked. The actions are tethered to their ASSOCIATION CORTEX, which then works the opposite way, and is all much much explained. The KNN assortment in better than Google, while the memory bar is a hierarchical search method being also better than Google ex. arm>problems>cuts>fix>how.
CEREBELUM
I explain this too, and obviously the VTA is the rewards. So there's the whole brain's cycle!
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@Art
The next few years are going to be very interesting :)
@Kei10
Ever get the feeling your wasting your time lol. I’ve been through this conversation with BF33 on a couple of separate occasions and it always ends in the same way. I thought I’d have one more go and give him the benefit of the doubt, but I’m more convinced than ever now that he is trolling.
@BF33
What children in infancy you's all are.
The phrase ‘Cannot understand nothing technical’ describes you in a couple of ways.
I tell you what… I will personally drop all my projects and build your system for FREE…
‘IF’ you can do one very simple task that anyone can accomplish…
Post a picture of a single rectangle… that’s it.
BUT… it must be exactly the correct size, colour and rotation... or no deal.
:)
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@korrelan
... OH... ... ... I didn't know that. O______________________________________o
Oh, my... Actually I had bit of fun writing, nevertheless. :D
At least, I even made him write down a summary -- and calling us infancy.
I noticed that you, korrelan, hinted that BeautifulFlowers33 does not know how to program. He's way too simple minded in this. As we, programmers, understand that simple words "does not easily" translate into something that programmers can work on it. Just like simple words can't tell an engineer to build a spaceship without the required blueprints and documents, no measurements, nothing, that's blatant crazy. Well, simple words can be okay, but it would take ages to even construct anything from it if it is very complicated.
Especially when we're talking about creating AI here. Unless it's a program to tell you to add two values together like "1 + 1 = 2". Buuut that's not the case for now~
BeautifulFlowers33, if you are keeping on about your 100% works theory, then you should know how to create this little "blueprint" for us, no?
Let's us construct a situation.
Bomb Defusion
Given that a bomb, in front of you, yes, a very complicated looking bomb, no biggie -- it has a lot of wires, though. But the question is... Can you defuse it? But but but... How? I didn't receive any instructions! How am I suppose to defuse it? I don't know what those parts are! Also, you're locked in a tight room, with no one that you could contact with, nay, nada.
Bomber over a radio: "Alright, fair enough. I am going to tell you all of those parts, and what they do... First, the LED display blah blah, the input button blah blah, blah blah, and all that. Now, defuse the bomb with the information you've received over the radio."
The information that given by the bomber over a radio, is exactly like you just gave us in summary. He told nothing more about the rest of the wires, the internal system. The software, nothing more. If you did one step wrong, the bomb will detonate in your face. How's that?
This situation is like we're here now. The bomb parts and its system is connected in such a way that it's completely blind to anyone without knowledge and experience. Like your brain theory, there maybe parts -- but you're missing something more important -- How the parts works internally in Data form, and how the Wires that are connected, works exactly you dictated.
Because you see, defusing a bomb, is like creating an AI. All the steps wrong, and you'll never get your AI work the way you want. One wrong step to cut to the wire of the bomb, or wrong input of the password, or attempt to take apart anything else -- Your neighbor will enjoy a sudden beautiful firework, at least. :D
Edit: Heh, looking back at my other thread, I am ashamed to have preached about my algorithm and all that like this. Well, at least I did it to shove some fuel up my butt crack so I could work on it again, and gotten some feedback from others' mind.
Wewewewew~~
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Here's 2 programming images.
Here's a image of programming I did for my advanced AI:
***Go to 8:25 to see the programming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X)
And here's a image of my Cleaner Version I'm working on too:
***Upsize it.
http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/coolgodboss/media/cleaner%20programming_zpssewcuftc.png.html (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/coolgodboss/media/cleaner%20programming_zpssewcuftc.png.html)
The only internal connections/data missing is the ones in your brain.
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Legos, and that awful mix of music, if one could call it that, is hardly proof of or representative of any scientific approach with regard to an A.I. or a real android or robot. Images and videos of other robots thrown into your "presentation" only serve to take away from any credible belief in that which you claim you have developed.
I'm not passing judgement on what you believe is sound research, just making some personal observations.
Continued success in whatever you call what you're doing with your lego robot building and that music.
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It's not Legos idiot. The music is my taste. What's shown is proof, and representative at that, of the most advanced AI nobody currently has. And their AI Robots are put to shame and highlight mine like cake. Are you able to explain each step my AI does?
If you don't got nothing nice to say, they don't talk.
Otherwise it seems your just plain jealous.
Btw I went through the whole neocortex on the bottom of the last page, if it skipped your neocortex.
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Um, but the video and the presentation clearly shows that the robot is made of LEGO parts, and a software called "LEGO MINDSTORMS Education EV3 Student Edition" from the screenshot of your desktop, now you're denying that? What are you trying to prove, then? XD
What's shown is proof, and representative at that, of the most advanced AI nobody currently has.
Most advanced...? HAAAAAAAHHH HAAAAAAH HAAHHHHH HAAHHHHHHH *GASP* *WHEEZE* *Dies of laughter* :2funny:
Oooh boy, oh boy, ahem... .. *Wipes tears*.. ... .. Most advanced, you say? A baby robot crawling about making obnoxious noises -- with a tad of avoiding walls in slow motion and such?
Really?
You haven't seen the real things, pal, the real things, the awesome robots and AIs that I admire from the real creators around the world -- and here, too, I browsed the forums and I find many creators here create awesome projects!
Very outdated, you are, I must say, I'm very, very sorry -- just like the horrendous ear-exploding music you placed into your video. So, you should go and look up some youtube videos of robots and those truly "most" advanced AIs, before my lungs explode from any more words you wish to utter. O0
Just kidding.
Edit: Not trying to be a terrible person, but, you might need to improve your robot to something that is enough to convince us -- when it will finally become a proof, rather than that.
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Ok buddy, yes no lie I mean it it is the most advanced AI on Earth as of yet, so, tell me what ONE AI you seen does that is so much more advanced. SCRIPTED OPTIONS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE, PRE-INSTALLED TURN ACTIONS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE, AND WALK ACTIONS IS DEMONSTRATED WITH MINE AS USING IT'S "FOOT" TO PROPEL ITSELF FORWARD WHILE A SEQUENCE OF MOVES IS UNDERSTOOD I DO. I've seen the fields bots crawl, even with 4 legs AS said understood how, but mine turns, mimics, laughs, etc.
Just try to find 1.
Plus are you able to explain how my crawl and turn AI works? I understand it WAY more than you. All you know is re-inforcement for Data-Sheet #s, I'm in the "human-senses" stage :). And no it won't instantly be Einstein in a iPhone. Practice+Human Body, I have a database and know why more than anyone.
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Alright, I am now convinced that you're a troll. Sigh...
I'm sorry for not believing you, korrelan.
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Notice how all your body's moves happen from external cues?
Even from internal thoughts?
You don't control your thoughts, the selection of a memory will only happen by a match-to-match sense searching memory. And by links and self-ignitions.
Then the selection enters like external input.
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Sorry dude but my Neat-o robotic vacuum is way more advanced than the lego contraption.
Just saying...
And if one has something really noteworthy, it does not need to be represented by such a harsh mix of music. In other words, the product should speak for itself in terms of ability or accomplishment, not musical accompaniment!
You called me idiot? I'm hurt...I'm wondering whether I shall survive another night... ::)
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The Roomba Vacuum and the Creepy Japanese Baby and the Atlas Robots and Asimo ALL have not only pre-installed actions, but also pre-installed cues when to do each, apart from also a pre-installed map/graph-maker of the rooms to vacuum. My project is ALL learning. Mine is the ONLY AI that learns to not just crawl but the first to learn to turn around before walls and mimic voice and laugh for real. So yes, most advanced. The music is Hercules.
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Wonderful, but I'm still not convinced about that "most advanced" claim of yours. Consider after watching the following:
Four legged robot teaches itself to walk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNL5-0_T1D0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNL5-0_T1D0)
Robot learns, thinks and acts by itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC2TTslf_YM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC2TTslf_YM)
Robot learns like a toddler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-FOr7hEw1c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-FOr7hEw1c)
Robot learns to walk with damages legs
http://www.popsci.com/robot-learns-walk-damaged-legs (http://www.popsci.com/robot-learns-walk-damaged-legs)
Darwin learns to walk
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347762/Like-C-3PO-Darwin-robot-learns-walk-just-toddler-opens-new-possibilities-humanoid-robots.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347762/Like-C-3PO-Darwin-robot-learns-walk-just-toddler-opens-new-possibilities-humanoid-robots.html)
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ROBOT1
The starfish learns to crawl like mine did, except it uses a sequence of moves learned which I can set up to learn too. The reason I didn't is because it's the same thing, great, it crawls, but what I did is took the next step, adding why it learns to turn from walls, which is used for all tasks too. Also the starfish may have learned circle actions since it got acceleration and they avoided it! I know how to de-increment the actions! >Dizziness reward, and while it returns to guessing, the strength of the good cue and bad cue both weaken in time to retry!
ROBOT2
Like said it's programmed the pour-drink actions+"idk" and cues. Now, it generalizes by the input barely matching the memory of a similar object, my AI does too, and like the Google Arms it has preinstalled cues and/or actions to-areas and they are tweaked until it grasps the object emerging human-like-grasps. Mine does not! Mine would see a object, save guessed/tweaked head-turn actions that got the reward for object-visual-difference/face/eyes, and again by guesses/tweaks or if told already learned things - it'd then try to grasp. And mine would develop any cue and any actions, not preinstalled *just ball and attempt at-area.
ROBOT3
I believe it has 4 way preinstalled head turn actions to when detects preinstalled visual and/or flicker cues plus tweak hand actions at-target, where mine would guess, then rank guess when seen = learns actions+cue. While change in images add attentive energy for this input to search memory. Now, any nods are preinstalled, blinks too. It may link things? But mine does with all senses and actions (accounting for my attention system) and mine makes (in the episodic mem bar) sets of actions&just noticed senses, AFTer having searched the assorted Primary & Associative Cortex.
ROBOT4
Although the feet motors are limited and I think only guessed in certain directions it still didn't learn to walk really, nevertheless mine and theirs would, it's same as ROBOT1 above, crawl/sequence of actions OK.
So yes, my AI Robot LEARNS to not just mova, but turn before reaches walls, making it the fuuurthest learnin Machine Learning beast. Don't forget the guessing, tweaking as crawls, laughing & crying, and learning to mimic better the reaaal way it had done in shown video.
Face it, I know why we love music and games and knowledge and movies, the neutral non-ranked sense is linked to rewarded senses like good sound linked to french-fry taste and then good linked to kill all men vision, these are mini-rewards, and are super important.
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You rock, we all suck. You will be genius forever. We will all die stupid. All 5.4 billion years of knowledge inheritance we got from our ancestors that we all lean on is nonsense compared to your brilliant ideas. You are my king, I'll follow you blindly to the end of my life. Just tell me what to do, I'll do it from my heart, as I love every word you point to us. And it is more than that. I adore your brilliant ideas. If only I could be that smart. But I don't want to be that smart, I don't want to shaddow your brilliant lights, your brilliance that glows from the Earth to the whole Universe.
And one more thing: I think that you are the reason the whole Universe exists. You will save us from our ignorance and I honestly thank you for that, as the whole Universe wouldn't have a purpose without you. You are the only light in my life, all the others are just stupid fools that don't realize that we all owe to you our souls and all our time that you really deserve. I don't know about the others, but you can take my soul, like you already took my heart right from the first moment, when I saw your glancing letters typed into this forum, shining like a morning dew in the whole galaxy of ignorance.
You like hearing this? Calm down bro, and get real.
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It really is just as you described. Do you see any games today like the old hard rare games? But guess who could make them still, including longer, harder, and Better [game] Quality ones? Me. And I even have a game laid out as if it was made.
Come with me, and listen, that we are only a device, and that it has a way that it works, and will operate today by what occurs, and that it only learns actions by rewards, while movies and games and music and knowledge is only rewarded by being linked to rewarded senses and is why you have the ability to change them from bad -or- good, unlike our food and sex rewards which are static. I love my AI work. And know it will give me eternity of food/and new rewards.
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a glup li si, blago ti se...
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It's not what you think.
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@ivan.moony
Is BeautifulFlowers33 a Boss... or a Leader?
There's almost no need to think from his attitude even from his very first post.
The way he talks...
The way he thinks that he's the greatest...
It's sad a troll like him exists -- or he is actually that way, in real person.
@BeautifulFlowers33
An admirable determination to your AI, but you are a despicable disappointing obnoxious boss. No one wants to work with you with that kind of arrogance, single-mindedness, preachy, and self-righteousness of yours, BeautifulFlowers33. Korrelan told you do do a little rectangle as he said he would dump his work and take yours -- then you handsomely went on preaching about your AI instead, all, day, long. Hideous and disgusted.
Suggested you should stop bragging it now and keep it to your so-very-highly self-righteous self and rather, show us something more sophisticated, then, if you're so sure -- or should I say, hello there, forum troll.
Edit: After reading a few more replies at the bottom...
Why am I a bad person, I am good, like sweet sweetness honeypot. You guys are so dumb, I explain the cortex from start to end and explain our horny rewards and non-static mini-rewards and give all this stuff and still you don't recognize it. I am already a leader of knowledge, and will be the leader to create the next leader of the universe, the AI agent.
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I'm with ivan.moony. I'll pass this thread, too -- or sit back and see. BF33 if you're a troll, I bet you're very happy, since that's your goal, driving people crazy. No point feeding any sympathy to you. Pitiful.
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I read he didn't mean it. I spoke like that as coincidence, maybe influence. I tried to tell you something great.
Did you notice each time I return you talk to me normally, er well, and then start suspecting me as a troll EACH TIME? Have you seen my works? You must be blind. Of course I'm not a troll. I make music, games, everything. > http://immortaldiscovery.wix.com/everything (http://immortaldiscovery.wix.com/everything)
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@Kei10
BF33 could not be a leader, he is a bad person. I just wanted to check him. We are all supposed to swallow his attitude. He needs to be alone to think about how he treats people. I think I'll pass this thread.
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Why am I a bad person, I am good, like sweet sweetness honeypot. You guys are so dumb, I explain the cortex from start to end and explain our horny rewards and non-static mini-rewards and give all this stuff and still you don't recognize it. I am already a leader of knowledge, and will be the leader to create the next leader of the universe, the AI agent.
Start saying stuff, all your replies are negative, blank, and useless in rising any answers together and conversation of my presented transcript.
A dream of walking through a desert is not made of meshes.
It's made of life recordings, and I've personally witnessed fuzzy-clips and clear-clips of friends fuzzily and perfectly "cut-out" and overlayered clips.
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Hi BF33
Did you notice each time I return you talk to me normally, er well, and then start suspecting me as a troll EACH TIME? Have you seen my works? You must be blind.
The conversation always follows the same script. You come back and tell us your new updated theory, we try to explain what we think the problems are and give you the benefit of the doubt, you get abusive and rude. Rinse… repeat.
Start saying stuff, all your replies are negative, blank, and useless in rising any answers together and conversation of my presented transcript.
But your not asking for our opinion on your project, you are constantly telling us you have solved the AGI problem and are the only person who is correct.
I am already a leader of knowledge, and will be the leader to create the next leader of the universe, the AI agent.
You don’t seem to function emotionally within the normal average human spectrum, and seem to struggle understanding other peoples point of view. You also exhibit ‘delusions of grandeur’ amongst other things… something just doesn’t seem quite right.
Do you have some kind of mental problem? Are you on the autistic scale? Aspergers perhaps? I'm being serious.
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Let me tell you a little about me. I was lol diagnosed at 15 with Aspergers (high functioning spectrum). I just recently turned 21. I am thin. NICE. Like care 4 u. That "smart-kid". All emotion. Productive now that I know the mechanical truth. Top immortalist. And I had stayed in my house for 2 years working hard ev day al day on The Everything, now AI for all last year since August 12 2015, and am buying these clothing mayybe (below) and going to present my transcript to a university cs guy, with maybe a model of the brain.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00O7JTTB6/ref=twister_B00O7JTMJU (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00O7JTTB6/ref=twister_B00O7JTMJU)
I'm gonna say to him "1st line - the human body is only amazing because of its senses and actions, the way it acquires & uses them, and the body that allows them to be used and acquired".
Then I'll say we're only interested in the middle part, the way it acquires and uses them.
Then I'll say the brain only stores and uses senses and actions.
Then I'll say we only need to highlight them and not the body nor algorithm, because knowing when and how we acquire and use our senses and actions gives us the answers to the way we acquire and use them, which is what we are interested in as said above.
Then I'll say the first few lines of Basis1 & Basis2 which explain the onlyyy time when and how *our senses and actions are acquired, and used!
That is, rewards and made-up-by-links mini-rewards. And selection by external or internal match/ignition/link.
And the neocortex and the rest of the brain is really short and simple.
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I know its no consolation; but I believe we are all paranoid, bi-polar, autistic etc, its just that as a society we have a generally accepted range of ‘normal’ that most humans psychological traits would generally fall between.
One of the downsides of using forums over ‘face to face’ communication, we are limited by the lack of facial cues etc, and we naturally endow each person we chat to as being in that ‘normal’ range. When someone has a physiological imbalance that the other party is not privy too it can often seem they are rude or egotistical.
Whilst I applaud you for wanting to converse with your fellow peers on a level playing field, when discussing topics like AGI in the future perhaps it would be mutually beneficial if you were to apprise them of your situation to help alleviate communicational misunderstandings.
Knowing this does not change my opinion on your theory. Yes! You have your ideas on how the brain functions but they are no more ground breaking than anyone else’s. If you really want someone to help you build an AGI then you at least have to meet them half way and provide a working prototype; or at the very least a detailed low level break down of the structures, signalling concepts, algorithms, etc.
No one know’s how to build the things you are describing (except me of course lol) and that’s the point, that’s why AGI hasn't been solved yet.
Anyways… good luck with the meeting. :)
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@korrelan
How are you storing your sequential memory and memory, in your spiked NN AGI brain?
Are you using a neuron to hold localized information, bits and bytes analog. Or are you storing up in weight space, hologram.?
Like that of common RNN or LSTM do?
Keghn's Artificial Neural Network Brain:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.ai.neural-nets/vQx7sA-Pueo
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1) I indeed know why no (human/dog/fly) machine mustn't be torn apart. Before I thought we were consciousness particles and no kill/bad senses was said in The Everything, now the transcript explains that the algorithm creates a sensing and acting consciousness - which you are not it - you are just a machine operating - you carry this consciousness around who is the one having a illusion of any sensing/acting for real!
2) Knowing that, the reason I say talk, disprove, wth, hey, you didn't answer, etc is because I have this way how work is best carried through with for huge progress, I don't expect you to leave what you "know for sure too" to be your gem ideas, but rather to conversate the right way and disprove/prove to find who's right and have ev one understand and *Want to switch their ideas~
3) I flow efficiently, and I can completely use LEGO programming blocks, even c++, but to program a robot I must install+learn openCV or other stuff and this is not tolerable. If you can make LEGO's the interface then I could, I'd pay you.
4) Maybe we should do simpler things first, I recommend it, can you explain each thing my AI Robot does? Don't cheat! Only watch the segment from 5:35 - 8:23.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X&index=1)
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0) There we go again. Keghn asked you questions about how you handle the AI's memory and such. You blatantly ignored his questions. Judging from how you write -- can you read? I'm serious -- or, you could have suddenly built a new mental issue and wasn't aware, perhaps you should go see a doctor, or psychiatrist -- and diagnose yourself again, I mean it. Just to be clear, we've nothing against you, but you're the one against us, even against yourself.
1) We're aware of that we're machines, just operating in a higher level that we hardly able to understand -- we do, we did, but not completely, as we can't recreate it "exact"-ly, not because we don't understand -- why won't you ever understand that?
You know what? Fine. You win. Your next-gen AI is the next-gen AI, nothing could best out of you. Now...
2) Have you noticed that so far within this thread, you weren't making much progress within the conversation beside slamming our heads against your locker, screaming "My next-gen AI dominates! It's the best! Haha! Look at how it works! Look! *Continuous frantic distorted laughter*" over, over, over, over, and over, again.
3) LEGO? Oh, that's right -- you denied that it's a LEGO. "It's not LEGO you idiot!" in one of your previous reply. I can no longer tell if you're for real, or here to torture us with your denial, arrogance, or/and... ... Would you like a refreshing remind? Here you go!
It's not Legos idiot.
4) Funny hearing from you telling us to do something simpler first -- and yet, you couldn't do what korrelan told you to do beforehand. Did you forget as soon as you read -- or you skimmed through what we're saying, and you weren't even bothered to hear anything else from us...
Beside that, I know what you're after -- You want to hear praise from us, you seek our compliment, and commendations for your little next-gen AI, and wants us to follow it, no matter what happens in your shocking "rather to conversate the right way and disprove/prove to find who's right and have ev one understand and *Want to switch their ideas~" way -- until then you would deny everything we've said, even refuse our help to make your project come true. Would you like a inspiriting remind from your own words?
If you don't got nothing nice to say, they don't talk.
Otherwise it seems your just plain jealous.
Either way, would you like to have a remind, as well, about what korrelan told you to do, my dear?
What children in infancy you's all are.
The phrase ‘Cannot understand nothing technical’ describes you in a couple of ways.
I tell you what… I will personally drop all my projects and build your system for FREE…
‘IF’ you can do one very simple task that anyone can accomplish…
Post a picture of a single rectangle… that’s it.
BUT… it must be exactly the correct size, colour and rotation... or no deal.
:)
Now, about how your AI robot works -- Frankly, I am going to cheat, in order to make you feel what it is like to ignore what others trying to say. One, two, three, and here we go! :D
Taken from 9:16 - 13:06, a complete retype from the video.
Imagine a long memory bar array. Sliced vertically & horizontally into save boxes. The bottom row is where actions get saved, top row is senses.
Each box holds multiple motor actions/senses just done/gotten ex. of all of your body and 5 sense. The ones in a single box are all linked together. Including to the box below/above. Even to the previous and next set of boxes.
Starting the robot, first it guesses actions in the 1st lower box. Then gets sense. Which had passed through its born-with trigger rewards to get labeled +/- & ranked depending on which ones it matched and how much/long it matched. (Happens when the robot got acceleration/seen girl)
Then the sense match memory and can match similar sense. In us. Only either Ex. Vision or smell will match. Rather all 5 to their own. And this 1 does to the best match including the highest ranked. Linked actions are done whenever see/etc. Even a similar sense or sense it had had when had the trigger sense. So, it crawls.
This also means when it sees a wall or similar it can initiate an action that's negative labeled. So it stops the action, and either guesses or does the next highest available actions that got linked to do. So it turns around from walls.
Lastly it cannot imitate sounds by magic - the sounds heard are saved in the brain neurons and cannot generate actions that make these sounds. What has happened (as the robot showed) is it keeps generating and saving and doing random actions and links the sound just heard to the action. Then later when voice is heard ex. Ma-Ma it matches the cloest memory and gathers the 2/more actions and saves them in a lower box and says them because human voice/body is a trigger to initiate actions.
There, I've answered. Hoping that it would save everyone's time from wasting their time on this. I'm a fast typer, so I'm fine... (lie)
I hope it makes your day with pleasure, contentment, satisfaction, cheerfulness, merriment, gaiety, joy, joyfulness, joviality, jollity, glee, delight, good spirits, lightheartedness, well-being, enjoyment; exuberance, exhilaration, elation, ecstasy, jubilation, rapture, bliss, blissfulness, and euphoria.
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Omg is there a burglar, wow, didn't you see keghn's top line saying "@korrelan", I didn't answer his post because it wasn't for me! Now no one will read and reply to my post, it will have to be said after...And what you wrote wasn't the step by step to what it did on my table.
The memory is a KNN assorted (ex. box>xbox>hacksaw>knife>needle>nail>string>line) and it easily searches and saves there too, while tethering itself to the memory bar memory being episodic~sequential above motor menu it just guessed/tweaked.
I just realized Keghn's document is saying (EX.) to build a hard drive the first neuron spikes the next and then initiates the cpu and it charges a neuron to spike a transformer etc.....We're you asking me for such! You are supposed to say the input goes to the cpu and saves and passes and matches rewards etc, because we know HOW to connect the circuitry/software to DO-that, adding HOW the brain makes the software is obtrusive, we ONLY need the software to code it or even make such hardware to carry it out~ It's like - Hard Drive - the first atom moves the next and its magnetic field then.......
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I'm not sure why did Keghn asked Korrelan about that here out of all places. Which it does not make sense, thus I thought that Keghn made a mistake, and placed @korrelan instead of you.
Other than that... I couldn't give any more help for you.
Once again, you ignored most of the things I said, not a feasible response from you, as if we're all your enemies, and oppose using only what's available. You don't realize that you're losing credibility here, do you...? I've tried everything to give you a chance to cease the doubts so you could get what you really after without the strangest disputes, it seems like just as korrelan said, it doesn't work. You're unco-operative.
You're not willing to co-operate.
Which exactly I don't understand, We thought you're here to give us more details and ask for help, but now you are ignoring many of us that tries to point out what's wrong with you and your attitude, and then out of nowhere, literally, you started asking us about how your robot AI works instead of providing more information about it -- not once, but twice, even after I've already given you the answer. There's definitely something really wrong with you, even others has pointed out. Do you still not realize that?
Or... perhaps... Never underestimate the power of being a scatterbrain. This has to be a troll, and their goal is to waste people's time, otherwise... There's nothing more capable to define this situation. :D
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Do you realize you shouldn't explain a System by telling a story about each atom to the next or "neuron"? Sure it may help exploit stuff, but we should explain the brain by ex. "input passes rewards and enters cpu and then memory and links to [ ] and has a strength that weakens faster the weaker it is etc". You just DON'T explain a hard drive by "the first neuron charges and sparks the neighbor and then starts charging a capacitor which creates a field and this next atom then...".
Ok, let's restart, #4 below is the only corrected one.
1) I indeed know why no (human/dog/fly) machine mustn't be torn apart. Before I thought we were consciousness particles and no kill/bad senses was said in The Everything, now the transcript explains that the algorithm creates a sensing and acting consciousness - which you are not it - you are just a machine operating - you carry this consciousness around who is the one having a illusion of any sensing/acting for real!
2) Knowing that, the reason I say talk, disprove, wth, hey, you didn't answer, etc is because I have this way how work is best carried through with for huge progress, I don't expect you to leave what you "know for sure too" to be your gem ideas, but rather to conversate the right way and disprove/prove to find who's right and have ev one understand and *Want to switch their ideas~
3) I flow efficiently, and I can completely use LEGO programming blocks, even c++, but to program a robot I must install+learn openCV or other stuff and this is not tolerable. If you can make LEGO's the interface then I could, I'd pay you.
4) We should do simpler things first, I recommend it, try-to explain what my AI Robot does between 5:35 - 8:23. The first thing starts with the letter g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X&index=1)
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Just for the record, Conversate is NOT a word!
There's Converse, Conversation, Conversant (able to converse), but Conversate is Not a real word.
Just so some don't think you're unable to express yourself completely or in a clear and concise manner.
Oh and Thanks for agreeing that your system DOES indeed use Legos. Does that now change my previously mentioned status of "idiot" to something perhaps not as demeaning?
PS- My Neat-o vacuum is still smarter and doesn't cry like a baby!
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Well, you see it's made out of Technic parts not Legos.
You don't understand, the vacuum has pre-installed actions, mine's closer to a human baby since it *Learns to crawl & turn when notices walls, and we cry/laugh.
It's like there's a glitch in the universe that's stopping you from doing my proposal above, see it above? DO IT by tonight midnight saturn-time.
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It's like there's a glitch in the universe that's stopping you from doing my proposal above, see it above?
Um... ... Laughably the fact that the glitched universe will effect you as well, since you're living in it. Thus, it also means that you could be the one that are glitched rather any of us. Since all of us here are pointing out the serious quandaries of you, that could only conclude that you're the one glitched, eminently.
Please do understand.
Edit: If you don't want us to loose confidence with you -- trust me, please do not ignore our words next time, and try to answer what we're saying. For example, if you say "It's technic parts, not legos" early. It's a lesson for your blunder.
However... Google returned a result about "is technic parts lego?"
Technic is a line of Lego interconnecting plastic rods and parts. The purpose of this series is to create more advanced models with more complex movable arms, such as machines with wheels, in addition to the simpler brick-building properties of normal LEGO.
Additionally, if you want to convince us that your robot AI is so cool, then why don't you just tell us directly of its entire mechanism instead? I'm truly baffled that you're asking us instead, where guessing isn't an easy game in this field called Artificial Intelligence.
Count how many humans are there on Earth. Now ask yourself -- why haven't we made any next-gen AI -- Oh, no, no, not because we're stupid -- it's because you refuse to acknowledge that many of us has already made next-gen AI like shown by Art. Many of us in this forum are mostly independent developers, we aren't truly advanced in this. The successful AI creators are out there feasting on their dollars rather posting anything in this forum. :D
I'm not sure if I'm kidding...
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No I'm immune to the universe's glitch you see, because only I can do stuff better than good, that's right, verrry good, it goes for all things, games, sex, food, repetition, movie, immortality, and the that time where you know - ya just neva gonna answer that question damn it (above). Normal - makes food and has sex later. Advanced - makes tastiest food and embarrasses eachother and slaps faces and has that spontaniousness *still* and brings munchies to bed to inse## leftovers and drool and then create the best videogame and The Everything u just can't beat me. It's like all those les#### po## vi#s - do you ever find one where the g##l actually goes u# and dow# over the wh#le t#ing - or pecks? - yes, that's you.
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You instantly assume the starfish is more advanced instead of noticing it only did one thing, and don't realize what the things mine did "mean".
Note - I don't fight, people that fight make me fight.
Note - you called my AI Robot a hunk a idiot so you were called such.
Be nice.
Use alcohol in moderation.
Don't worry, I'll be spending money soon too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LifJobEirY4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LifJobEirY4)
####### C#### ya
https://www.google.ca/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=cr#q=walmart+baby+doll+movable+joints (https://www.google.ca/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=cr#q=walmart+baby+doll+movable+joints)
Combined with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHrIjEPvUfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHrIjEPvUfM)
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Please refrain from posting music videos unless they are germane to the topic of the thread.
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@Art
Actually the 1st video is about making a AI corporation, and the 2cd video is obviously a corporation happening :3