Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System

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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2016, 10:46:47 am »
I know its no consolation; but I believe we are all paranoid, bi-polar, autistic etc, its just that as a society we have a generally accepted range of ‘normal’ that most humans psychological traits would generally fall between. 

One of the downsides of using forums over ‘face to face’ communication, we are limited by the lack of facial cues etc, and we naturally endow each person we chat to as being in that ‘normal’ range.  When someone has a physiological imbalance that the other party is not privy too it can often seem they are rude or egotistical. 

Whilst I applaud you for wanting to converse with your fellow peers on a level playing field, when discussing topics like AGI in the future perhaps it would be mutually beneficial if you were to apprise them of your situation to help alleviate communicational misunderstandings.

Knowing this does not change my opinion on your theory. Yes! You have your ideas on how the brain functions but they are no more ground breaking than anyone else’s. If you really want someone to help you build an AGI then you at least have to meet them half way and provide a working prototype; or at the very least a detailed low level break down of the structures, signalling concepts, algorithms, etc.

No one know’s how to build the things you are describing (except me of course lol) and that’s the point, that’s why AGI hasn't been solved yet.

Anyways… good luck with the meeting.  :)
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2016, 04:10:10 pm »
@korrelan

 How are you storing your sequential memory and memory,  in your spiked NN AGI brain?
 Are you using  a neuron to hold localized information, bits and bytes analog. Or are you storing up in weight space, hologram.?
  Like that of common RNN or LSTM do?

Keghn's Artificial Neural Network Brain:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.ai.neural-nets/vQx7sA-Pueo

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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2016, 09:32:22 pm »
1) I indeed know why no (human/dog/fly) machine mustn't be torn apart. Before I thought we were consciousness particles and no kill/bad senses was said in The Everything, now the transcript explains that the algorithm creates a sensing and acting consciousness - which you are not it - you are just a machine operating - you carry this consciousness around who is the one having a illusion of any sensing/acting for real!

2) Knowing that, the reason I say talk, disprove, wth, hey, you didn't answer, etc is because I have this way how work is best carried through with for huge progress, I don't expect you to leave what you "know for sure too" to be your gem ideas, but rather to conversate the right way and disprove/prove to find who's right and have ev one understand and *Want to switch their ideas~

3) I flow efficiently, and I can completely use LEGO programming blocks, even c++, but to program a robot I must install+learn openCV or other stuff and this is not tolerable. If you can make LEGO's the interface then I could, I'd pay you.

4) Maybe we should do simpler things first, I recommend it, can you explain each thing my AI Robot does? Don't cheat! Only watch the segment from 5:35 - 8:23.
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2016, 02:21:06 am »
0) There we go again. Keghn asked you questions about how you handle the AI's memory and such. You blatantly ignored his questions. Judging from how you write -- can you read? I'm serious -- or, you could have suddenly built a new mental issue and wasn't aware, perhaps you should go see a doctor, or psychiatrist -- and diagnose yourself again, I mean it. Just to be clear, we've nothing against you, but you're the one against us, even against yourself.

1) We're aware of that we're machines, just operating in a higher level that we hardly able to understand -- we do, we did, but not completely, as we can't recreate it "exact"-ly, not because we don't understand -- why won't you ever understand that?
You know what? Fine. You win. Your next-gen AI is the next-gen AI, nothing could best out of you. Now...

2) Have you noticed that so far within this thread, you weren't making much progress within the conversation beside slamming our heads against your locker, screaming "My next-gen AI dominates! It's the best! Haha! Look at how it works! Look! *Continuous frantic distorted laughter*" over, over, over, over, and over, again.

3) LEGO? Oh, that's right -- you denied that it's a LEGO. "It's not LEGO you idiot!" in one of your previous reply. I can no longer tell if you're for real, or here to torture us with your denial, arrogance, or/and... ... Would you like a refreshing remind? Here you go!

It's not Legos idiot.

4) Funny hearing from you telling us to do something simpler first -- and yet, you couldn't do what korrelan told you to do beforehand. Did you forget as soon as you read -- or you skimmed through what we're saying, and you weren't even bothered to hear anything else from us...

Beside that, I know what you're after -- You want to hear praise from us, you seek our compliment, and commendations for your little next-gen AI, and wants us to follow it, no matter what happens in your shocking "rather to conversate the right way and disprove/prove to find who's right and have ev one understand and *Want to switch their ideas~" way -- until then you would deny everything we've said, even refuse our help to make your project come true. Would you like a inspiriting remind from your own words?

If you don't got nothing nice to say, they don't talk.
Otherwise it seems your just plain jealous.

Either way, would you like to have a remind, as well, about what korrelan told you to do, my dear?

What children in infancy you's all are.
The phrase ‘Cannot understand nothing technical’ describes you in a couple of ways.
I tell you what… I will personally drop all my projects and build your system for FREE…
‘IF’ you can do one very simple task that anyone can accomplish…
Post a picture of a single rectangle… that’s it.
BUT… it must be exactly the correct size, colour and rotation... or no deal.
 :)

Now, about how your AI robot works -- Frankly, I am going to cheat, in order to make you feel what it is like to ignore what others trying to say. One, two, three, and here we go!  :D

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Taken from 9:16 - 13:06, a complete retype from the video.

Imagine a long memory bar array. Sliced vertically & horizontally into save boxes. The bottom row is where actions get saved, top row is senses.

Each box holds multiple motor actions/senses just done/gotten ex. of all of your body and 5 sense. The ones in a single box are all linked together. Including to the box below/above. Even to the previous and next set of boxes.

Starting the robot, first it guesses actions in the 1st lower box. Then gets sense. Which had passed through its born-with trigger rewards to get labeled +/- & ranked depending on which ones it matched and how much/long it matched. (Happens when the robot got acceleration/seen girl)

Then the sense match memory and can match similar sense. In us. Only either Ex. Vision or smell will match. Rather all 5 to their own. And this 1 does to the best match including the highest ranked. Linked actions are done whenever see/etc. Even a similar sense or sense it had had when had the trigger sense. So, it crawls.

This also means when it sees a wall or similar it can initiate an action that's negative labeled. So it stops the action, and either guesses or does the next highest available actions that got linked to do. So it turns around from walls.

Lastly it cannot imitate sounds by magic - the sounds heard are saved in the brain neurons and cannot generate actions that make these sounds. What has happened (as the robot showed) is it keeps generating and saving and doing random actions and links the sound just heard to the action. Then later when voice is heard ex. Ma-Ma it matches the cloest memory and gathers the 2/more actions and saves them in a lower box and says them because human voice/body is a trigger to initiate actions.

There, I've answered. Hoping that it would save everyone's time from wasting their time on this. I'm a fast typer, so I'm fine... (lie)

I hope it makes your day with pleasure, contentment, satisfaction, cheerfulness, merriment, gaiety, joy, joyfulness, joviality, jollity, glee, delight, good spirits, lightheartedness, well-being, enjoyment; exuberance, exhilaration, elation, ecstasy, jubilation, rapture, bliss, blissfulness, and euphoria.
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2016, 03:17:01 am »
Omg is there a burglar, wow, didn't you see keghn's top line saying "@korrelan", I didn't answer his post because it wasn't for me! Now no one will read and reply to my post, it will have to be said after...And what you wrote wasn't the step by step to what it did on my table.

The memory is a KNN assorted (ex. box>xbox>hacksaw>knife>needle>nail>string>line) and it easily searches and saves there too, while tethering itself to the memory bar memory being episodic~sequential above motor menu it just guessed/tweaked.

I just realized Keghn's document is saying (EX.) to build a hard drive the first neuron spikes the next and then initiates the cpu and it charges a neuron to spike a transformer etc.....We're you asking me for such! You are supposed to say the input goes to the cpu and saves and passes and matches rewards etc, because we know HOW to connect the circuitry/software to DO-that, adding HOW the brain makes the software is obtrusive, we ONLY need the software to code it or even make such hardware to carry it out~ It's like - Hard Drive - the first atom moves the next and its magnetic field then.......
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2016, 05:07:25 am »
I'm not sure why did Keghn asked Korrelan about that here out of all places. Which it does not make sense, thus I thought that Keghn made a mistake, and placed @korrelan instead of you.

Other than that... I couldn't give any more help for you.

Once again, you ignored most of the things I said, not a feasible response from you, as if we're all your enemies, and oppose using only what's available. You don't realize that you're losing credibility here, do you...? I've tried everything to give you a chance to cease the doubts so you could get what you really after without the strangest disputes, it seems like just as korrelan said, it doesn't work. You're unco-operative.

You're not willing to co-operate.

Which exactly I don't understand, We thought you're here to give us more details and ask for help, but now you are ignoring many of us that tries to point out what's wrong with you and your attitude, and then out of nowhere, literally, you started asking us about how your robot AI works instead of providing more information about it -- not once, but twice, even after I've already given you the answer. There's definitely something really wrong with you, even others has pointed out. Do you still not realize that?

Or... perhaps... Never underestimate the power of being a scatterbrain. This has to be a troll, and their goal is to waste people's time, otherwise... There's nothing more capable to define this situation. :D


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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2016, 05:25:52 am »
Do you realize you shouldn't explain a System by telling a story about each atom to the next or "neuron"? Sure it may help exploit stuff, but we should explain the brain by ex. "input passes rewards and enters cpu and then memory and links to [ ] and has a strength that weakens faster the weaker it is etc". You just DON'T explain a hard drive by "the first neuron charges and sparks the neighbor and then starts charging a capacitor which creates a field and this next atom then...".



Ok, let's restart, #4 below is the only corrected one.

1) I indeed know why no (human/dog/fly) machine mustn't be torn apart. Before I thought we were consciousness particles and no kill/bad senses was said in The Everything, now the transcript explains that the algorithm creates a sensing and acting consciousness - which you are not it - you are just a machine operating - you carry this consciousness around who is the one having a illusion of any sensing/acting for real!

2) Knowing that, the reason I say talk, disprove, wth, hey, you didn't answer, etc is because I have this way how work is best carried through with for huge progress, I don't expect you to leave what you "know for sure too" to be your gem ideas, but rather to conversate the right way and disprove/prove to find who's right and have ev one understand and *Want to switch their ideas~

3) I flow efficiently, and I can completely use LEGO programming blocks, even c++, but to program a robot I must install+learn openCV or other stuff and this is not tolerable. If you can make LEGO's the interface then I could, I'd pay you.

4) We should do simpler things first, I recommend it, try-to explain what my AI Robot does between 5:35 - 8:23. The first thing starts with the letter g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTs5d4Xztas&list=PLxjQhfoWuXzC2zmmZihHhMV502wi4Jl9X&index=1
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2016, 01:42:08 pm »
Just for the record, Conversate is NOT a word!
There's Converse, Conversation, Conversant (able to converse), but Conversate is Not a real word.

Just so some don't think you're unable to express yourself completely or in a clear and concise manner.

Oh and Thanks for agreeing that your system DOES indeed use Legos. Does that now change my previously mentioned status of "idiot" to something perhaps not as demeaning?

PS- My Neat-o vacuum is still smarter and doesn't cry like a baby!
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2016, 08:56:42 pm »
Well, you see it's made out of Technic parts not Legos.

You don't understand, the vacuum has pre-installed actions, mine's closer to a human baby since it *Learns to crawl & turn when notices walls, and we cry/laugh.

It's like there's a glitch in the universe that's stopping you from doing my proposal above, see it above? DO IT by tonight midnight saturn-time.
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2016, 01:44:12 am »
It's like there's a glitch in the universe that's stopping you from doing my proposal above, see it above?

Um... ... Laughably the fact that the glitched universe will effect you as well, since you're living in it. Thus, it also means that you could be the one that are glitched rather any of us. Since all of us here are pointing out the serious quandaries of you, that could only conclude that you're the one glitched, eminently.

Please do understand.

Edit: If you don't want us to loose confidence with you -- trust me, please do not ignore our words next time, and try to answer what we're saying. For example, if you say "It's technic parts, not legos" early. It's a lesson for your blunder.

However... Google returned a result about "is technic parts lego?"

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Technic is a line of Lego interconnecting plastic rods and parts. The purpose of this series is to create more advanced models with more complex movable arms, such as machines with wheels, in addition to the simpler brick-building properties of normal LEGO.

Additionally, if you want to convince us that your robot AI is so cool, then why don't you just tell us directly of its entire mechanism instead? I'm truly baffled that you're asking us instead, where guessing isn't an easy game in this field called Artificial Intelligence.

Count how many humans are there on Earth. Now ask yourself -- why haven't we made any next-gen AI -- Oh, no, no, not because we're stupid -- it's because you refuse to acknowledge that many of us has already made next-gen AI like shown by Art. Many of us in this forum are mostly independent developers, we aren't truly advanced in this. The successful AI creators are out there feasting on their dollars rather posting anything in this forum.  :D

I'm not sure if I'm kidding...
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2016, 02:06:15 am »
No I'm immune to the universe's glitch you see, because only I can do stuff better than good, that's right, verrry good, it goes for all things, games, sex, food, repetition, movie, immortality, and the that time where you know - ya just neva gonna answer that question damn it (above). Normal - makes food and has sex later. Advanced - makes tastiest food and embarrasses eachother and slaps faces and has that spontaniousness *still* and brings munchies to bed to inse## leftovers and drool and then create the best videogame and The Everything u just can't beat me. It's like all those les#### po## vi#s - do you ever find one where the g##l actually goes u# and dow# over the wh#le t#ing - or pecks? - yes, that's you.
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2016, 09:01:58 pm »
You instantly assume the starfish is more advanced instead of noticing it only did one thing, and don't realize what the things mine did "mean".

Note - I don't fight, people that fight make me fight.

Note - you called my AI Robot a hunk a idiot so you were called such.

Be nice.
Use alcohol in moderation.

Don't worry, I'll be spending money soon too.
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Combined with
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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2016, 03:35:13 pm »
Please refrain from posting music videos unless they are germane to the topic of the thread.

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Re: Next Gen Organization of The Human Intelligence System
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2016, 12:14:56 am »
@Art

Actually the 1st video is about making a AI corporation, and the 2cd video is obviously a corporation happening :3
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