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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2019, 03:07:45 pm »

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2019, 04:13:39 pm »
Maybe adding "irrelevant", to handle the frame problem.

- True,
- False,
- Both true and false,
- Neither true nor false,
- Unknown currently,
- Meaningless,
- Irrelevant.

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2019, 05:09:46 pm »
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Note that complement is not the same as negation. Negation of A is total opposite of A (¬A should be explicitly stated to hold), while complement of A is anything but A (Ac holds when A is not stated).

When you say " Ac ", does it mean the same as " ¬◻A "?

The words "anything but A" are confusing me. Does it mean "some statement, which is not related to A"?

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2019, 05:29:10 pm »
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Note that complement is not the same as negation. Negation of A is total opposite of A (¬A should be explicitly stated to hold), while complement of A is anything but A (Ac holds when A is not stated).

When you say " Ac ", does it mean the same as " ¬◻A "?

The words "anything but A" are confusing me. Does it mean "some statement, which is not related to A"?


Almost. I compare expressions like `(~ A) -> B` with every other expression and attach `B` wherever `~ A` matches. And `~ A` matches any statement which differs from A and from which A does not follow.

But don't bother too much, I'm still working it out. The best working thing for now is "negation as a failure" from Prolog. (i.e. `not A` is true if we can't derive `A` from anything else).
« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 11:25:22 pm by ivan.moony »
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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2019, 05:54:39 pm »
Ok thanks. I'll dig into NAF.

Would you say crispy confidence is enough for GOFAI? Ok that's not the right word, would you say it's enough for a toy project?

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2019, 06:32:41 pm »
Ok thanks. I'll dig into NAF.

Would you say crispy confidence is enough for GOFAI? Ok that's not the right word, would you say it's enough for a toy project?

I bet it's enough for a core in which analogical confidence may be formulated.
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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2019, 03:02:27 pm »
How can something be both true and false at the same time?  Its either one or the other.

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2019, 03:31:04 pm »
@Goaty, Or better, how does the human brain store True to begin with. All I store is data; images and audio. Your majority context vote decides what is aligned. Some memory nodes in your network trigger Reward seduction and create your values and what you take way after reading an article.
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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2019, 10:59:14 pm »
@Goaty, Or better, how does the human brain store True to begin with. All I store is data; images and audio. Your majority context vote decides what is aligned. Some memory nodes in your network trigger Reward seduction and create your values and what you take way after reading an article.

U may be right about that,  but there is many ways to do artificial intelligence, and all ways could be different ways to skin a cat.
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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2019, 02:42:32 pm »
"AGI is a good thing" is both true and false.
"Justice is violet" is neither true nor false.
"I'll succeed" is currently unknown.
"Some people like it, some people don't" is irrelevant.
"Rrnak" is meaningless. I guess.

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2019, 03:03:54 pm »
@Goaty

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How can something be both true and false at the same time?  Its either one or the other.

It’s always true that something is false.

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how does the human brain store True to begin with. All I store is data; images and audio.

Your brain stores everything, true, false, good, bad it has too… you can’t know one without understanding the other/ opposite.  You learn what’s true.

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"Justice is violet" is neither true nor false.

Everything is subjective... It’s false to me… I’m R/G colour blind.  ;D

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2019, 12:31:15 am »
"AGI is a good thing" is both true and false.
"Justice is violet" is neither true nor false.
"I'll succeed" is currently unknown.
"Some people like it, some people don't" is irrelevant.
"Rrnak" is meaningless. I guess.

You can go on and on, value, brightness, glossiness, shape, color, good, rotten, sad, drinks liquid, animal. They describe each other, all words in a dictionary do this, and it is same for real world. It's a small world network.
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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2019, 06:07:49 am »
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You can go on and on, value, brightness, glossiness, shape, color, good, rotten, sad, drinks liquid, animal. They describe each other, all words in a dictionary do this, and it is same for real world. It's a small world network.

Have you made a detailed drawing or diagram of this? That might be interesting.

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2019, 07:41:02 am »
"AGI is a good thing" is both true and false.

I spose your right,  theres not enough context there to label it with an explicit/definite true xor false yet, so it could be both at that stage, like a qbit.  true and false at the same time.

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Re: Thinkbot
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2019, 04:46:30 pm »
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"AGI is a good thing" is both true and false.

I don't think so.  It would be accurate to say "AGI has both good and bad aspects."  However, considering all the aspects in aggregate, it would still be possible to arrive at an overall rating of good or not good -- to determine whether AGI was a net benefit for life, or not.  If we don't have adequate knowledge and wisdom to derive that rating, or if there is dispute about it due to differences of opinion, then the statement is "unknown" rather than "both true and false."

 


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