[jlsilicon - Robotics AI]

I can try again.

I am aiming for Singularity in my AI project.
Singularity in the sense of the subject.

Ex: Singularity of Self is full Understanding of Self.
A computer does not understand itself - fully.
An Insect understands how to move - but does not have Singularity of Self.

Dragonfly has Singularity in Flying.

An ape or chimp probably has Understanding of Self - considering it Plans and can Predict Results of its Own Actions.

Just discussing the possible Interprettions of the definition of Singularity.

[Art]

You could also just say that you're goal is for your A.I. project to one day become "Self-aware".
It seems that Mr. Ray Kurzweil's Singularity term has been used and abused of late and is always met with a raised eyebrow and skepticism. I do get where you're coming from, however. Call it what you will.

[Korrelan]

I always understood the Singularity to mean the point of no return… when a machine is sufficiently intelligent to build a machine more intelligent than it’s self. Thus starts the cycle of improvement, an explosion in intelligence if you will.

Although it is desirable for an AGI to be self aware, I'm not sure it’s a prerequisite for a machine that has to build a better version of it’s self.

 

[LOCKSUIT]

Self-aware is like knowing gravity. Smarts ~ sensory & motory data stored & used.

[Korrelan]

“Self-awareness is the capacity for introspection and the ability to recognize oneself as an individual separate from the environment and other individuals. It is not to be confused with consciousness in the sense of qualia.”

Self-awareness is recognising/ understanding your own thought processes.  Understanding what you are thinking and why you are thinking it.  Recognising how you came to a decision and understanding your own personality traits/ thoughts.

 

[Freddy]

Apes and elephants recognise themselves in mirrors (after some learning).

Just throwing that in.

[jlsilicon - Robotics AI]

Self-Awareness, I agree with.

What about Full-Understanding of the World, or Story Writing, or Mathematics, or the Internet?
Scope of Understanding.

These are what I am defining, individually.

It seems wierd to say the Computer is a Genius or Master of a Topic.
I like to say that it has Singularity in Story-Writing, for example.

These are what I am facing now, in labeling my AI, and writing about it.

[Freddy]

An Insect understands how to move - but does not have Singularity of Self.

I'm not so sure about that. How could we judge that an insect isn't self aware ? It's not as readily observable as it is in say apes.

[LOCKSUIT]

The elephant simply seen a cue and did actions. Here (here) don't fool yourself with that being "self-aware". A AI learns to crawl/eat and do actions when see " ".


Self-awareness is recognising/ understanding your own thought processes.  Understanding what you are thinking and why you are thinking it.  Recognising how you came to a decision and understanding your own personality traits/ thoughts.

Let's see, so I have a desicion (or thought processes or recognizing) of a sense (initiates motors) (input>output), and recognize that by - actions then done! Same thing! It's all external and internal cues. Ex. see mouse and kill it. Or have "springing" memory. Or external/internal input mem match and initiates the line "oh boy am I conscious of this and gravity is code!".

[keghn]

 Jisillicon, i have my own completer theory of AGi. It may resonate with you and sorry it is kind of hard to read:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-intelligence/UVUZ93Zep6Y

And self aware too:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/artificial-general-intelligence/javYIQWgLGY




https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/artificial-general-intelligence

[LOCKSUIT]

A robot does actions, arm, vocal cords, etc, when it sees something (even mentally), or when the actions self-initiate (the sense "trigger" self-initiates first). No "self-aware" ever real. Only a machine doing actions. What you, talkin about? Get it? All actions are learned.

[jlsilicon - Robotics AI]

Senses to Body to Motors is coordination.

Actions are practiced and learned.

Predicting Self Actions is Self Awareness.

Thoughts of Self and World is Understanding.

Actually, like WestWorld, I have not necessarilly presented All of my Ideas and AI info.

[Korrelan]

@jlsilicon

I like to say that it has Singularity in Story-Writing, for example

Ok! I have no reference to ‘singularity’ being used in this context but it kind’ a makes sense.  The AGI has surpassed human abilities and is self learning/ perpetuating at… story telling; in this instance. Yeah I get the logic of that.

These are what I am facing now, in labeling my AI, and writing about it.

Just the usual friendly heads up… extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof… be prepared for people asking deeeeep questions about your project. There are a lot of intelligent people on this forum… they know their stuff; and they are going be curious… and dubious of your claims/ statements.

As I always say… someone… sooner or later will solve the AGI problem space… I hope you have.

@Freddy

I'm not so sure about that. How could we judge that an insect isn't self aware ?

I believe different animals have different levels of ‘consciousness’ depending up on the complexity of their brain structures (not size). I’ve never considered ‘self-awareness’ though… hmmmm?

@Lock

No "self-aware" ever real. Only a machine doing actions.

Each and every ‘thought frame’ or decision you make is made up of past learning/ experience, the current sensory input… as well as the predicted sensory/ events you have learned from experience.  When you have a ‘thought’… do you ‘think’ in your native language?  How do you feel at this exact moment in time? You are reading this… already making judgements and decisions about how you are going to reply… do you know what you are thinking? Do you understand WHY you are going to write… what you will eventually write? This is part of being self-aware.

A ‘thought’ is not just sensory input and actions… it’s a complex dance between the nuances of past/ present and predicted experience… even your posture/ the room temperature as you write… effect WHAT you will write… and how you will express yourself.

 

Edit: Apologies if my post seems abrasive… I’m in my games room with friends/ family… I’ve got ‘Slip Knot’ blasting out, big screen flashing, etc while in trying to post, play darts and pool… I thought I was a descent player… apparently not… lol. I blame 'Sailor Jerry' personally...

[8pla.net]

"Anybody built any Androids yet ?"

On a tight budget, I built the front part of an android head prototype as a peripheral device. 

It moves a set of mechanical lips accurately as it reads text aloud.   

Using voice synthesis, it speaks audibly through a personal computer sound card.

Chatbot.TK YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh3H7PZlbrJLGiwpKEUkgTQ

Sharing alpha test videos may be inaudible at times, but that is simply the cell phone quality.
     

[jlsilicon - Robotics AI]

Knowledge and research in Insects shows that they have very Simple Brains.

* Senses to Body Node.
* Mushroom Node - Short/Longterm Memory (1000-100000 neurons)
* Central Body Motors Coordination Node
* Optic Nodes
* Antennal Lobes
* Cardio Node
* Ganglions - local Motors Controls
=> Total 100K-1M Neurons (1/1B of Human Brain)

Actions and Brain Complexity seem to limit the Insect Behavior to simple Practiced Learning Actions.

It seems that the Insect Brain is Simpler than our Reptil Lower Brain - which has no Consciousness - purely Reactions / Learned.

http://cronodon.com/BioTech/insect_nervous_systems.html