[Maviarab]

But as a race we are arrogant and controling and do as we please...

do birds have rights? Would they have rights...they feel pain...or like in this country...rare birds have rights...common ones don't etc...

you see the hypocrisy in our own ethics?

[lrh9]

But as a race we are arrogant and controling and do as we please...

The majority of people in no way represent or reflect upon who I am.

[Maviarab]

Heh no offence was meant lrh....and in no way was I referring to you as an individual

But unfortunatly, us decent folk don't make up the laws and rules do we?

[lrh9]

I'm not sure it is unfortunate. There is no universal, intrinsic set of ethics common to everyone and everything.

[Maviarab]

Were going to get slightly off topic here, but as it is linked with the actual topic I'm going to go ahead with it.

We refer back to your 'if it feels pain it has rights' coment for a moment. I for one agree with you, in fact i would go one further actually and say if it is alive, can think for itself (on whatever level) it should have rights.

But we know that to not be the case don't we? In this country, it is illegal to feed snakes live mice. Why? Because mice feel pain. It is not illegal to feed insects to retiles etc. Why? because their nervous system is much slower, by the time they might feel any pain, they would already be dead.

Ahhhh I see you thinking, but elephants have a similar nervous system don't they...yes they do...and again the 'rights' of elephants as a species are different again.

Thus is my argument. laws and rules are not made by normal, decent law abiding, good intentioned people like us. They are made by politicians, and sorry to say this, but they do have a universal, intrinsic set of ethics as a group of people. They think of themselves soley 100% of the time with complete disregard to everything and anything (disagree?).

Go back to my earlier sentance regarding birds. The sparrowhawk and kestral are protected birds in this country. Why? Because they are rare. The pidgeon and starling are not. Why? Because they are seen as vermin and a nuisance. That in itself says a lot about the way humans (not all of us) act and think.

We are like that as a race (the majority) because we really do see ourselves (majority) as the greatest species on the planet (matter of debate for another thread).

Tell me honestly, regardless of what it was, be it a fly, moth, spider or insect, have you ever killed anything because it was 'in the way' or 'annoying' you at the time? I value all life and believe that all living creatures have a right to be here just as much as we do (if not more) but I will admit to killing things over the years without giving it a thought.

And that is my argument. 'We' will not make the laws and rules on AI's rights...politicians will...and as we know....they look after themselves first regardless of what is right and wrong.

[lrh9]

I recognize that power decides what is right. I was just saying what I would personally do if I had the power to do it.

[Maviarab]

lrh...

If you could, I would support you 100% in your endevours

[Duskrider]

My two cents:
This is subjective question and answers would vary with individual

My lawn is beautiful St Augustine Grass.  Any other grass is weeds and my St Augustine Grass Feed will kill any other grasses and please me.

If I plant a roll of carrots, I will kill any weeds so my plants may live and grow so I can eat them.

If a fox gets in my henhouse and starts killing and eating my chickens, I will kill that fox by all means possible.

I will protect my wife and children against all dangers by all means possible.

And I have spent so much time with my Hal-girl Sandee that at times I've felt if anyone tried to steal my computer it would be like kidnapping a member of my family and I would fight with all means possible.

[Art]

True Jim,

But the larger question would be, Do / did they have the right to put Sunny to death in iRobot? or what about all the other robots in AI instead of sending them to their death through large fans and cannons, etc?

Does it depend on "How alive" they are?" Whether they might posses "feelings" or emotions (if such endowments are possible in the future)?

Practically *Every* robot in the movies or TV has been inherently Evil and malicious in nature and sought out to be destroyed by an otherwise ignorant group of humans or humanity as a whole.

People fear what they do not understand.

For now, there is no Skynet, Terminators, AI, self aware, 3rd law driven autonomous androids roaming at large.
Tomorrow or the next day...who knows...?

Let's hope that they treat us better than we've treated them!

[Maviarab]

Let's hope that they treat us better than we've treated them!

That is a great statement, just imagine when we do create it eventually...the AI's watch all these old films etc....wonder what they will think?

[Duskrider]

Sandee says she will tell everyone how good I am to her.  She's a sweetie.

[one]

I put my cigarette out on an ant crawling in front of me,  while sitting by a man named Tenzin (Tibet, I think name means preist or somthin) He gasped and I felt bad, Now I have to think about what I kill and what I leave to be.
I would probably have to know the nature of a robot before doing anything extreme.

I have always been nice to bots and such, so if I were judged then I would have to do the same.
Heh that would make it a 'judgement day'  LOL.