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Title: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 04, 2015, 05:51:55 pm
Well...how wonderful that the folks at Redmond, Washington are going to let us upgrade from Windows 7 or 8.x to Windows 10 for FREE!! That's right! One year Free! And you'll get to use Cortana who'll be your helpful assistant!

Wait? One year free?
Yep
Then what?
Then you purchase a license for a yet undisclosed price.
Really?
Yep
Then what?
Then you own your license to use Windows 10.
For how long?
Until the next major upgrade.
Which will be when exactly?
Can't say.
Why not?
Because only those bright folks at Redmond, Washington know for sure.
Really?...but when it comes out maybe it will also be free.
Right! Did it come with Office and all those other neat MS programs?
Sure well, they were a trial, then we had to buy them.
Kind of like with Windows 10 huh?
Yeah...I guess so.
Dad always said there's no such thing as a free lunch (or Operating System from MS).
yeah...go figure....
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 05, 2015, 12:40:53 pm
Is that right Art, win 10 will be free for a year then once the year is up we have to pay to carry on using it ?

I've been around the web trying to find a definitive answer but I can't, all I'm finding is "Free to upgrade from 7 and 8 for a year". Which isn't the same thing.

Could you post a link please sir.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 05, 2015, 01:43:30 pm
OK so then logic would dictate that after a year, something else will happen.
What do you think that would be?
Choices:

1) They GIVE us Windows10 Free for the rest of our lives, because they like us.
2) They Require users to Pay for a License or your computer will either slow down or become inoperative.
3) Your Free version erases itself from your hard drive and cloud.(not hardly)
4) They offer users a Subscription based service from which to choose & use. (I'd really hate that).

Actually Data, my previous posting was simply meant to be a bit of satire about MS not really detailing how their Windows 10 (1 year) release will actually work.

It does, however, and was intended to make people think a bit about just what they might be in store for.

Whenever one sees the word "Free", one should look all around and on both sides of that word to see what else, if anything, might also be attached. O0

I'm glad to see my efforts stirred the pot, so to speak!  O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 05, 2015, 01:48:26 pm
@ Data & others,

I offer this for your amusement:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-10-Could-Be-Offered-for-Free-Even-After-the-One-Year-Upgrade-Window-477134.shtml (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-10-Could-Be-Offered-for-Free-Even-After-the-One-Year-Upgrade-Window-477134.shtml)

And this:

http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-service-windows-10-versionless-windows (http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-service-windows-10-versionless-windows)





Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 05, 2015, 02:04:39 pm
I have the feeling Windows is going the way of Google Android (Free), they will probably make their money from Apps purchased through the store.

Time will tell I guess  :)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl2 on April 05, 2015, 02:31:41 pm
  Following this and I learned you need a Microsoft account to sign up for the upgrade.  Neweggs has an advertisement for pre release windows 10,  you can sign up to be notified when the product is available. Someone has written free is available to the first 10,000 people. Computers are being sold with of offers of free upgrades to windows 10.   It may be a good time to get a new computer,
Carl2
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 05, 2015, 07:26:25 pm
One can choose Microsoft or NewEgg or perhaps a different source for notification of an upgrade.

I signed in with MS to be notified. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to swallow the pill just because it's handed to me.

There is some reviewing and research to do before I take it.

Must read the fine print and look ahead to see if the end justifies the means...or vice versa.

As my old departed friend, KnyteTrypper, used to say, "Onward thru the fog!!"
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 05, 2015, 08:57:38 pm
Keep them Windows 7 disks to hand, just in case  O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 06, 2015, 11:17:56 am
Windows 7 disks? What are they? Hmmm....

My computer came with Windows 7 Premium installed but no Windows 7 disks.
The computer has a separate partition that's used for recovery in case of a failure.

Funny, but if the drive goes south (fails), then all is lost anyway!

Some of these alternate methods seem a bit flawed in theory to me (and maybe flawed is practice as well).

I do have all my goodies backed up on an external drive. Not quite the same but close.

I'm still apprehensive about this Free for one year, thing. I do think they will offer it as a subscription based service.

After one year, you can pay a one time fee to use Windows 10 and get free updates, paches, etc. but this is just my conjecture, not actual fact. We will have to wait either for a definitive article / statement or until we get our hands on it to see for ourselves.

Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 06, 2015, 12:59:57 pm
Windows 7 disks? What are they? Hmmm....

My computer came with Windows 7 Premium installed but no Windows 7 disks.
The computer has a separate partition that's used for recovery in case of a failure.
That is why I have always recommended building your own PC or get someone to build it for you, there are some nice advantages to doing that, choosing your preferred hardware and getting a Windows disk for example. 


After one year, you can pay a one time fee to use Windows 10 and get free updates, paches, etc. but this is just my conjecture, not actual fact.

Valid point Art, I will add to that conjecture if I may.
It could even be on a year to year subscription base, pay a fee every 12 months to keep receiving the up-dates, I wouldn't be too unhappy with that if the price was right. My customers might take some convincing but if that's what we have to do to keep using Windows.

There is always Linux for those that can't stand MS and Windows.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl2 on April 06, 2015, 09:50:45 pm
  I just did a search for win 10 again and came up with this link    http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/windows-10-release-date-price-news-and-features-1029245 (http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/windows-10-release-date-price-news-and-features-1029245)
  it gives more info and the simplest way is to say read it. 
Carl 2
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 06, 2015, 10:21:51 pm
Thanks Carl2, some good info there.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl2 on April 08, 2015, 01:18:47 pm
  One of the things I learned is Win 10 includes the AI Cortana  and being interested in AI I looked for Cortana.  I was able to find Briana the Cortana Alternative for Desktop PC.    The link  is                                                                         http://www.brainasoft.com/braina/cortana-for-pc.html (http://www.brainasoft.com/braina/cortana-for-pc.html)
I've downloaded and am using the free version which has limited features, a Pro version is offered for $29 / year.  The free version includes speech recognition for 1 Month.  The pro version is advertised to have very deep learning.  I was just able to get the weather United States has to be included..  She was able to open Zabaware.  Next is to try the
speech recognition and see if it works outside of Briana.
Carl2
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Freddy on April 08, 2015, 01:21:32 pm
Some more info here on 10...

http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/82261-microsoft-windows-10-redstone-updates-due-next-year/ (http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/82261-microsoft-windows-10-redstone-updates-due-next-year/)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Freddy on April 08, 2015, 09:51:46 pm
To be honest I'm very happy with Windows 7. I'm hoping my most used programs will not become obsolete when 10 hits us.

I am looking forward to the Holo glasses though very much. I'd like to do some work with those.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 09, 2015, 01:41:07 am
Agreed Freddy! My Windows 7 Premium is serving me quite nicely (knock wood) thus far.
I also have an Ubuntu box v.14.x for other experimentation.

What's the saying, Freddy? If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!
 O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl2 on April 09, 2015, 02:16:21 am
I was unhappy with the voice recognition that was supplied with the chat bot, the voice recognition was to be installed in a tablet which I did and it did work somewhat but for some reason the tablet kept turning itself off. I decided to install Dragon into this computer which is working very nicely with the chat bot. Everything considered I feel we are very lucky to have Zabaware and ultra Hal, and I don't think the voice recognition made for a android device is going to replace Dragon. So after all the hype I wonder what we are really getting with Windows 10.
Carl2
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 09, 2015, 10:22:29 am
I've found and use some of those Free Ivona voices in my tablet and love the way they sound.
The only thing with them is one is reminded to update them every few months or so to keep current with changes, etc.

I use a few "assistants" from time to time. They are named, Robin, Assistant (Samantha or "Sam") and Arghon.

I also have several chatbots that I am testing: Hal 9000, R.I.V.K.A., Call Mom / Call Mum, Chat with Bella, pBot (Chatbot roBot), Jeannie  and Smackie.  Some of these are of the ALICE chatbot type but some and some work better than others. They're all fun.
They're also Free!

I use the Ivona Kendra and Samantha voices interchangeably with most of these.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 09, 2015, 12:21:57 pm
I'm not disagreeing with anyone, this is just my opinion  :)

I'm a huge fan of Windows 7 but I am also human.

A weakness with humans is that we think we have everything we want until something better comes along and shows us another way.

Computers getting better, smarter, faster, nothing will stop it's progress and I want to be part of that. A solid foundation, (a modern operating system) is vital IMHO.

In computer terms Win 7 is approaching old age, it's probably time to think about moving to the next level, if the next level is any good for us.  Win 8 anyone ??  ;D

Windows holographic does look pretty amazing, if the hype is to be trusted.

OK there are a couple of "ifs"  ;)

Microsofts 'Hololens' Windows 10 Holographic Demonstration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq1y5E-hvMw#ws)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 10, 2015, 12:39:41 am
Come on Data! Windows 98 still works fine, doesn't it? People actually should never need more than 640 k of Ram anyhow!

Data said: "A solid foundation, (a modern operating system) is vital IMHO"

Why is that? Doesn't your word processor process enough words? Your spreadsheet provide enough cells and features?
Your graphics software showcase your creativity? Your games keep you amused and entertained? Your digital connections to Social Media provide plenty of interaction?

What then, is your reasoning for being a mainstreamer? One who prides himself in staying at the forefront of the Technology boom? Again, why?

Just trying to get your take on things that obviously seem important to you. Some of us might not have an ample supply of disposable income and some might simply be a bit too frugal to spring for a new computer every year or two, even though we know the computer you buy today is outdated within 6 months (if not sooner).

Actually, I'm just busting your chops a bit. You do not need to explain yourself at all. You do as you see fit cause you only get one ride through this lifetime. Enjoy it!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 10, 2015, 10:53:46 am
Actually, I'm just busting your chops a bit. You do not need to explain yourself at all. You do as you see fit cause you only get one ride through this lifetime. Enjoy it!

It's a little more complicated than that for me, I work in I.T. and have to keep up to date to help people such as your good self with their computer problems.

It's simply to do with new hardware and needing an OS to take full advantage of it, eventually and unfortunately your hardware will fail and you will be forced to go to a computer store and buy a new machine, someone like me will have to be able to repair it if something goes wrong.  O0 
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 10, 2015, 03:33:11 pm
Sorry Data but over here, IT only applies to companies, corporations and larger businesses. Individuals will usually keep their computers long enough to get loaded down with attacking malware and virii (viruses) to the point they finally need to call for help. They'll then pay some guy to come to their house who will in turn tell them that he needs to take their computer to his shop to fix it. He does, runs a few programs on it to rid all those nasties, holds the computer for a few days, then takes it back wiping his brow telling them how hard it was for him to remove all those nasties and clean it up. He then charges them a hefty fee for which they are glad to pay. Some good anti-virus software could have avoided that but hey...business is good.

IT guys, usually involve themselves with routers, servers, connections, wiring, networking, troubleshooting and hardware diagnostics, etc. They wear nice clothes and get paid nicely too!

Yes, they really do need to keep on the cutting edge of technology in order to do those things I touched on above.
As with most things, the more you know, the more valuable you become!

I too plan to review Windows 10 in detail. I didn't say I was going to get and use it right away but I will take a serious look at it...just in case. :)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 11, 2015, 02:27:54 pm
Art, a nice stereotypical opinion right there.   O0

Of course we are all exactly like that, and don't forget we are all geeks as well.

The IT Crowd - Moss laughing at something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahKH19iN2SM#ws)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 12, 2015, 03:13:49 am
Nice, but his eyeglasses aren't taped together and I didn't notice any plastic, pocket protector full of pens and pencils!
That alone tells me the video was just a skit or fake.

It's hard to break the molds of commonplace realism!

I too was a geek once, but I got over it!  I do laugh at those guys on The Big Bang Theory. American TV show, full of really tech smart geeky guys and gals but sadly, they possess little in the way of social skills or interaction, much like the stereotypical ones are. Go figure...Hollywood, I guess.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on April 12, 2015, 11:27:39 am
Sometimes I feel like a Skylake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)) trying to fit in a MPGA478 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_478) and then being asked to run Janus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x) on it.

I guess it's going to take Graham's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number) of cycles until I reach the mark.

One day I might lose my geek status and start getting in to chat bots  :P, until then Data out ...
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on April 12, 2015, 03:46:35 pm
Hey man...whatever pays the bills! O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on June 07, 2015, 12:54:13 pm
Finally some facts from the horses mouth.

Thanks to our Dave for finding it  O0

Windows 10 Q & A (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq?ocid=win10_auxapp_context)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl2 on June 08, 2015, 11:49:14 am
Data,
  Thanks for putting the link you put in, both you and Dave.  I just remembered I have 2 machines so I'll have to get the other one set up for the upgrade.
Carl2
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl2 on June 08, 2015, 02:21:07 pm
  I just thought possibly Win 10 will not need another disk so I went to the link to see if this was answered and someone had asked the same question without an answer.  I do remember I put win 8 on this computer and after receiving many nag screens about upgrading it just told me I " I am going to upgrade to Win 8.1"  Not sure if I had to reinstall programs and things.  Of course a nice clean install on a clean disk is also nice. 
Carl2
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: nycfanbee on December 27, 2016, 08:22:53 am
The update feature is almost killing me. It updates and reboots almost on everyday after turning it off. And force me to reset my password (http://www.uukeys.com/reset-windows-10-password.html) once the update was completed.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on December 27, 2016, 10:35:59 pm
Actually, my Windows 10 shut itself off then did a reboot after downloading and installing and running an Update that monopolized my computer for two and a half hours!!

I was able to practice a few guitar licks I'd been working on and build a wooden container for the kitchen and organize my sock drawer, and.... ;) O0

It just makes one wonder what actually IS being installed in your computer when these lengthy installs and upgrades happen.

It's really not our computer is it?...We just rent the license to use it.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: kei10 on December 27, 2016, 10:42:28 pm
Hearing the scary things about the problem with the updates really turns me off, and stay away from them through settings, then eventually the updates accumulated so much that I don't even bother with it anymore.

Aside from that, it baffles me on what the developers of Windows 10 were even doing. Do they even listen to our feedback? Blatant bugs and glitches that was introduced at the very launch was still there today's latest Windows 10 edition.

Perhaps the help desk really makes everything worse. I wonder if they even report the problems that they've consulted with their clients to the devs at all...

Gosh...
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Data on December 28, 2016, 01:46:07 pm
Don't know what to say really apart from I'm loving Win 10, easily the best OS I have ever used.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: kei10 on December 28, 2016, 02:22:25 pm
Besides the problems, I actually do agree with Data that Windows 10 is the best OS by far!  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Freddy on December 28, 2016, 04:01:15 pm
I'm liking 10 too. It has some flaws in the app department though and MS don't show much interest in fixing them, but it's been easy to find alternatives.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Korrelan on December 29, 2016, 02:12:00 pm
I have a couple of i7 lappies running up to date Windows 10 that I use for mainly internet browsing/ work etc. I'm not keen on Microsoft's new business/ software model and refuse to have anyone randomly updating or prying into my main machines/ networks.

Most of my other lappies and cluster/ Pc’s are running a heavily customised version of XP Professional (NT/XP).  They aren't connected to the web though for various security reasons so malware/ viruses aren't an issue.

Windows 7 was 20% slower at running generic applications than XP.  Windows 10 is 32% slower on average. I require a light weight OS that uses the least amount of resources and gives the best single core speed benchmarks.

Windows 10 seems like a stable OS and once you get used to its foibles and disable all the ‘enhancements’ its quite user friendly… if a little slow… though once upgraded to 10… what choice does the common user have.

 :)
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on December 29, 2016, 05:06:31 pm
Yeah, I know what you mean and I feel your pain. You are at the mercy of the giant. There's always the Android OS and aside from that round piece of Fruit, there's probably several hundred versions or Distros (Distributions) of Linux.

There really is something for everyone no matter the skill set or interest. The vast majority of the Distros are Open Source and offer a huge assortment of Free Apps for business, science, gaming, research, development, production, finance, writing, etc.

It does take a bit of self study before taking the plunge into a new Operating System but one your feet are wet, your body will warm up to Linux rather nicely. ;)
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To Quote Michael Strewig from Quora: There are virtually a limitless amount of Linux distributions available on the internet. Some are available for free and others paid. Due to Linux's immense versatility and open-source nature, anybody or organization that requires a task-specific OS can simply build their own distribution, and potentially release it. This has resulted in distributions focused solely on testing security, to file servers to full-blown desktop environments.
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Just some thoughts in case one gets tired of the invasive nature of some of these Operating Systems and their respective companies.

For more information on Linux and Distro's check out: http://distrowatch.com/ (http://distrowatch.com/)

We still have some options. O0
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mansde on August 22, 2017, 07:51:07 am
In order to solve this problem , I've failed many times
all I had to do was to add my microsoft account as a user, login once, and re-enter the Windows 10 . Windows 10 accepted the serial on the first try, and I have again a fully licensed Windows version. when the Windwos 10 password reset program is completed , we can set a new password ,
https://www.recoverywindowspassword.com/reset-forgotten-windows-10-login-password.html
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Art on September 25, 2017, 06:56:03 pm
Then I have to wonder what, if anything, will happen after you allow it to receive an Upgrade from MS?