[Freddy]

This Poll has been introduced as we don't know what the vast majority of people who visit may be offended by, and as part of the reason why this forum even exists is to see if it is possible to make a truly believable representation of a human being we don't want to be overly restrictive.

Comments are welcome, suggestions to add to poll too - please post below.

We can't please everyone, so this will have to be our benchmark or guide.

[GamerThom]

Observation:  It's funny how nobody ever complained about risque
imagery when I and others were posting Lingerie and semi-nude/nude
skins for haptek fullbody female characters.  Just an observation.  :smiley

[Freddy]

No problem.  No one complained, we just figured it was good idea to have some way of everyone knowing what members here think about it.   

[GamerThom]

I humbly apologize, I thought that someone had complained.

But my point still stands as to the permissibilty of nude/semi-nude
images for haptek fullbody and the question of fully but minimally
clothed imagery in the graphics area. It would seem to be, at least
as far as content is concerned, a hipocritical situation.  However I
do understand the point of the poser thread being used for the
developement of an AI avatar through Poser graphics.

[Freddy]

Yes, I agree it's a hipocritical situation and we had a tough time deciding what was best to do.  On one side we have people who won't mind and on the other people who might.  Because we don't have any warning about site content we came up with this to help warn people that might be offended and also make people who aren't aware of the general feeling.

I don't know if this is the best way to deal with it, perhaps we should just put up a notice on the home page that some of the material might not be to a members tastes ??

Anyone have any ideas ?

 :zdg_flag_respect

[GamerThom]

 :afro  Fair enough, Freddy.

As to ideas;  I'll give it a little thought.  :smiley

[Art]

As I've witnessed on other forums, they have a Restricted Area, whereby the prospective entrants are advised, in advance, that This area may contain (or contains) graphic nudity or adult content. Users are advised that they must be 18 years of age to enter or else they must click BACK.

Basically, the disclaimer is posted PRIOR to entering the restricted area of the site.

One other thing would be to poll the other members who have no problem with seeing such imagery, in which case they can be put on an ALLOWED list of members.

Just some thoughts.... :angel

[FuzzieDice]

I don't get into the graphics part so I don't even see it anyway. But I don't think it's a matter of JUST what's "offensive", but also a matter of legalities. Laws determine what you're "supposed to" be offended by or how you're "supposed to" feel about things, be it political law or religious law. Being that I do not follow law that tries to dictate how to think or feel, I could give a monkey's....

Well, you get the idea....

Just don't get in trouble with the so-called "law" and get the site shut down if the material isn't "legal" in some areas. If you allow folks in 18 and younger, you may want to restrict things for "legal" reasons.

Just a thought.

[Duskrider]

We deal with the arts of A.I. and our subject is often the fullbodygirl or body female, both of which are somewhat sexy by themselves.  Many creations (clothes, backgrounds, haps) are obscene or not simply according to the eyes of the beholder.
 
Perhaps we might list certain sub-topics as "adult only" when appropriate in order to warn those who might be offended. 
For years in my e-mails if I send something that might be "offendable", I would add  "risque" to my subject line to warn people so they would know.

Incidently I noticed some time ago GamerThom has a warning leading to semi-nude or nude haptars.
 :cool

[Jman]

I don't get into the graphics part so I don't even see it anyway. But I don't think it's a matter of JUST what's "offensive", but also a matter of legalities. Laws determine what you're "supposed to" be offended by or how you're "supposed to" feel about things, be it political law or religious law. Being that I do not follow law that tries to dictate how to think or feel, I could give a monkey's....

Right on!!! :afro

Although FD & I may disagree in some areas i have to agree with her on this point, The laws of religion & government can get a little rediculous. But instead of a restricted area I say everyone should use a mandatory warning lable. :smiley

[Carl2]

Freddy,
  When I switched to fullbody after looking at the available skins I decided I'd need a nude frist to start dressing.  I'm glad I was able to find some nude skins of fullbody to use as a guide.  Being a member of the site I'm glad you make your skins available, I'm not offended and it helped me complete a task.  I know nothing about the legal aspects.
Carl2

[Freddy]

Thanks for the ideas and observations :smiley

Feelings, beliefs and laws are going to be different in any country, subtley or not.  It is impossible to make a decision that will always reflect the choices and feelings of strangers or even people we know - or at least for me it is.

But hopefully the poll will help us all know what we are dealing with.

I'm a moderator here and try to keep moderation in mind.

Some of you think putting a warning on your post will help though so that's one thing we found we can do, and there's the file area too to use - so labelling images there may help, and also the option of linking to your own or external sites.

Strangely we have come to a point where what is not real is coming under the scrutiny of feelings in our real world.

Thanks  :afro

[FuzzieDice]

I think warning labels would be a fine. I know in some art-based newsgroups where pictures and digital art is traded freely, many put labels to warn of "nudity", etc. as a courtesy. Seems to work out fine and not many (ie. nobody but trolls at least ) ever complains about it. They know by the label what it might contain before it's opened up.

[dan]

Speaking of supermarkets, why don't they put warning labels on food containing chemicals which are harmful and warning labels like cigarettes have?  The FDA has them put labels on medication and drugs, but not food.  Rather bizarre since they know how bad trans fats are or partially hydrogenated fats, and did you ever notice that money is not illegal and sex is not illegal, but whenever you have money and sex together it usually is illegal.  So maybe as long as you don't take a persons money you can have provocative drawings, but then how does one distinguish porn from art?  The eye of the beholder isn't always apparent to everyone antecedently. 

[admin]

I never noticed this comment at the time but it's spot on Dan.