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Artificial Intelligence => General AI Discussion => Topic started by: yotamarker on November 06, 2016, 05:42:43 pm
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we see a common element in the TV show westworld in which the guest chooses one
nerative of story an adventure and they often quit that nerativ to start a different one.
like they would do a treasure hunt capture a prisoner for bounty and he would offer them a dangerous
quest from his boss.
question is : in the mind of the scriptwriters are those new quests parallal to the main goals of the game (shoot, fight, get robot GFs) or are those side quests based on predictions like predicting the captured wanted bot has a big boss he would mention ?
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I kind of view them as various "Paths" that the guests might choose. With each possible path, there is some sort of outcome and not all are as favorable as say some others.
The Guests are under the notion that they are "free to make their own choices", but the script-writers will have created many possible outcomes based on their choices. Bottom line: in WW, there is no free will. It has all been calculated and there is practically a contingency for each and every action, choice, event or tragedy that can / does happen.
WW is not a chess game with thousands of possible moves, it just appears that way. Good scripting at its best! IMHO.
BTW, what is Spra?
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like split
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Sorry but Spra is not a recognized word in the English speaking world.
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cause I misspell it
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Oops!
But, getting back, Do you think the writers allowed for possible deviations to their scripting? Obviously, the hosts are contained to the "World" that has been created for them. One might assume that they will never cross that boundary or might they be electronically "Contained" within the world? (like an embedded shock collar for a human instead of a collar for a dog).
Are all possible narratives considered within the confines of this world? Obviously glitches and mistakes can and do happen. These are quickly swept up and sent to the troubleshooters for analysis and repair. Quite an interesting series and certainly one for education and entertainment.
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the key to preventing the bots from exiting the park and stepping out of the "matrix" is deleting
their new memories during sleep, which is very simple algorithm wise , on the other side I think
it is inevitable the chobits would not retain memory fragments in their conscience .
I do find it increadibly stupid some of the bots have botboyfriends and play hard to get as a visitor I would
not come back to such a place.
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It is part of their programming. The obvious draw is for West World to provide engaging entertainment and in the process, turn a profit. (it costs real money to maintain the bots and that "world").
West World is a place of fantasy and indulgence. You can pick a fight with some bot girl's boyfriend and have a duel with him (if that's what you want). You could even bring your real girlfriend to WW if you wanted (Why?) and seek out any kind of western thrills you wanted. Your choice.
I don't see it as stupid at all. Merely offering other "options" to the guests. To each their own.
Perhaps you are better suited with Chi and her friends. Less problems that way! ;)
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I would like to further discuss the narrative construction of the show.
there are 2 main narratives :
1 the westworld the place of fantasy
2 the real world
the slide between narratives happens mostly after a climax shootout or love scene
with a fadeout to the repair area, than the slide back happens after a work related issue
or detective work.
one of my dolls has red eyes and it made me think of a narrative for vampire bots, these would be a mutation nerrtive, and that made me think of handicap elfbot narrative which is a spra narrative.
what other kind of narrative KINDS can you think of ?
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I think the WestWorld idea, is to present the Hosts with a base 'Script' to follow.
Which leaves the 'Visitors' to interact as they like with the Hosts, or just follow the Hosts with their Scripts.
The Hosts are not supposed to have the creativity to create new paths or interact any differently.
Notice that Dolores in the first few episodes always follows the same path, - like picking up the Can in the street ...
Obviously, the series follows that Dolores develops her own Decisions and Ideas and Personality as William pulls her along.
I differ on what makes the Hosts 'alive' though.
- They are still robots.
Unless the later models are Clones - which are Not robots - and opens another whole can of worms ...
- like Bladerunner for example...
Also, if the Hosts even follow the Scripts, they still seem intelliget and can make their own decisions.
I think westworld is not defined realistically enough.
Has anybody tried building their own here ?
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If these Humanoids / Androids / bots / mechs or whatever you choose to call them, are able to make decisions based on programmed scripts that's one thing. It is also possible to allow them to deviate from one of perhaps several paths...also programming. The point where they begin making "conscious" or thoughtful decisions based on something aside from their programming, and they show all signs of being self aware or sentient, then that puts a whole new spin on things.
I think part of what we're seeing in WW is the phenomenon called "Ghost in the Machine", remnants of programs left over by either not thorough erasures or perhaps too many erasures. Which ever way seems to cause little snippets, fragments of previous code or programming instructions to be left behind, accumulating and later becoming accessible by these bots. Some of these might serve to form a vague memory or a robotic "deja vu" for them.
Can't speak for others here but I think most of us are NOT billionaires or multi-millionaires which would likely be a requirement to build such a vast Theme Park. Think of Disney World / Land on this same grand scale.
Realism? I think the writers, directors, staff went over the top trying to bring realism to WW. The amount of detail is amazing! Defined Realistically?
Think about it. The guests arrive on an authentic steam locomotive and time appropriate passenger cars. Then are outfitted in period clothing from hats to spurs and given guns and horses to ride. For any outside visitor, they would believe they stepped outside of a Time Machine that just traveled back about 160 years ago.
Then there's the entire corporation and operation / research center underground, not to mention all the electronics and expensive equipment and support staff. Wow!
I wish we had something like that for real, nearby! Soon those Humanoids will become sentient then watch your credit cards! ;)
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you could use VR no jutsu cut down cost
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Well decision based AI operation agent softwares are a machine, and they do well you know~
But self-conscious AI programming is just really some unique programming or connections hehe (what I know), it really isnt self-aware, it's a machine.
Art, I really don't classify these as two distinct things, sure one is decision based programmin, but the other is actually just, well, programmin >.>
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its just acting like A.I actress
an A.I with a job
and you can pay her with virtual drugs
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To each their own...
(applicable to the forum here, to the robot hosts, of course).
I am just saying that the Hosts in WestWorld - act too real - for just following Scripts.
Teddy seems to be stuck in his Reactions.
But he (like the rest of the hosts) still has a Personality well and beyond a script.
Dolores swings off on her own ideas, few episodes later
Bernard though - clearly has a Personality and creativity from the beginning.
Then there is Maeve. She has a Personality - but is supposedly stuck in a script at the first episodes.
How can they be having intelligent discussions with people - if only following scripts?
Remember the Felix and Maeve conflict (the computer tablet predicting her words...)?
- How could she have a script for talking about her Programming - if this is Never supposed to happen ??
Good story - but not deeply thought out enough ...
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they have the A.I m'kay that's where the conversation free will is coming from.
in the A.I algs they added hard coded in to the database the scripts and this does not change cause
the memory is deleted at sleep.
maeve reaction is the writes assumption speculation, the writers of the show did not solve A.I.
true A.I would put the tablet down .
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I think the point was entirely missed here.
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if we were to assume they spra the stories would be about random houses and shrubs .
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I don't think the tablet was predicting her words but rather "echoing" them as she spoke them. Obviously within her construct, she has a huge vocabulary and practical usage from which to recall. When Felix showed her the tablet it was meant to reinforce the fact that she was not a real person, a fact that at first, she was not willing to believe nor accept.
If I had such a facility I would want my Hosts to be so real that they would be indistinguishable from a real person. Some would sweat, have imperfections, skin blemishes, ticks or twitches as real people often do, and some might exhibit poor hygiene especially given the time period. "More human than human", to borrow the slogan from Mr. Tyrell's corporation from the 1982 Bladerunner movie (still one of my all time favorite A.I. flicks). His humanoids were so real they easily blended into the rest of society...for a while.
The scripting the Hosts follow are based on with whom they are conversing, another host or a Guest. If another host, the chat routine is drawn normally from or within the bounds or guidelines of their associated script(s). It they are confronted with and begin a conversation with a guest, then they still follow their script guidelines until the guest causes the topic to stray from the host's scrip boundary. The host will then follow the lead and call upon other boundary-related scripting. Normally, there is no "free thinking" done by the hosts. I said Normally...until the past several episodes, when other "thoughts" have been invading or coming to life within the hosts' brains.
I think it is extremely well written, considering the fact that it is a TV series and not a huge Hollywood multi-million dollar production. If it causes people to remark and think about it, then it has done it's job a being a good film or series.
Plus the fact that if it was not well written, it would not have been chosen to run or be renewed for another year, which it has!
Just my take.... ;)
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I think Ford is Arnold still working towards his bicameral brain theory...
:)
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I don't understand the ending
Arnold seemed to be a misanthrope
his bots had no free will as shown the leader bot did not exit the park
what was he trying to accomplish ?
maybe he didn't die maybe it was some bunshin no jutsu
would you say he was a mgtow ?