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AI Dreams => General Chat => Topic started by: LOCKSUIT on May 19, 2017, 11:29:43 pm
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Was sleeping, and had this scary dream where an evil AI was made, and I was like, oh no.
Pic example:
http://advancessss.deviantart.com/art/scary-evil-AI-681512424?ga_submit_new=10%3A1495232194 (http://advancessss.deviantart.com/art/scary-evil-AI-681512424?ga_submit_new=10%3A1495232194)
It was dark. It was in an deserted area on a rocky cliff mountain strip. I was in a huge cement warehouse. In front of me was the AI robot. Its spine was a gear chain rotating, its body was parts like some colored some you know and so was a skeltal like thing, it was connected to some funny platforms and things alike. It kept coming back after I did some things, I know one time I tried cracking and ruining parts of it. At one point I jumped out the place and landed safely because the figure dropping transformed into Woody from toy story - so no harm hitting the floor from up high right? Right. That happened when I realized (watching out of body) the danger as approaching the floor. Then I went in an elevator with this fat woman. Lots of dream. Dream dream. Later in the night, tearing off lotttts of skin off of stone walls around dark rainy bridge complex and a cross of it being from me, to walls, while also "feeling it" ou yuck, weird, like exo-sensory plus exo-me of what was me.
Like to hear your guys dreams.
This is after all, AI Dreams Forum!
Do you think dreams are created on the fly, or are they pre-pared before experiencing!? They are so complex sometimes, lots of precisely placed things! Ex. thousands of different diamonds, or organs and 3D detail neverrrr seen before - so who or what made this and when?
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Are you getting enough sleep or is this a once a year thing?
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Regular.
Lots of sleep.
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I would argue for "made on the fly" ... at least partially ... because occasionally, if I'm on the edge of waking, actual sensory data starts getting incorporated into my dream. Noises from the environment can appear in the dream, for example -- and I think at least once, when I had a rather strong need to wake up and go to the bathroom, the tail end of my dream involved searching for a bathroom to use.
It is interesting though that they can have remarkably cohesive plots sometimes. I've had a few that were bona fide adventure stories that progressed from beginning to end in a fairly reasonable manner (not that they weren't still *weird*).
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I either don’t dream or can never remember my dreams. The few I do remember can be weird though and I’ve never had a nightmare.
There was a large circular white domed room with a huge round table in the centre. Sat around the table were various people who where all experts in their particular field, and all where dressed accordingly. A Surgeon, politician, physics professor, law judge, etc.
There was also a lady sat at a desk with a typewriter near the only entrance. A man dressed as a concierge would bring a question on a sheet of paper to her and she would type up/ duplicate the information and give each person on the round table a copy.
They would carefully read the sheet in total silence and then spontaneously and loudly only converse only with the person sat either side of them. They would make notes on the sheets; the sheets would be collected, re-typed and handed out again. This would continue until and overall agreement was arrived at… she would type it up, ring a desk bell and the concierge would collect it.
There was also an irate priest stood off to one side shouting religious quotes the whole time trying to distract them from their jobs…
http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10804.msg44826#msg44826 (http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10804.msg44826#msg44826)
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That sounds like a good political reasoning system korrelan haha lol!
No that still isn't good enough.
Full bladder of urine, I dreamt of walking around halls holding a glass of water, later wetted/peed in a jungle-styled-room.
Dreamt of Donkey Kong 64 last night, it looked like the game but was totally different never before seen levels.
I agree - made on the fly. Several human intelligences with a month to spare could never create all the elaborate precision dreams. Also yes external sensory input affects dream instantly.
It's made probably near real-time in our parallel brains, and not by human intelligence - we can't do this. It's a mass scale mechanism. Even if you try to use your imagination and say "I can do this myself" - you're actually using this mechanism that creates dreams - no, you didn't create that self-brought day-thought of a beautiful place with all that gold plate-ware and all. You guided it.
I know how they're made. Its by my Auto-Creator I call it. The in-3D, generated video, plus sounds you hear, have a story behind the 3D-frame and the video of 3D-frames. Note you can also think in dream ex. remember images/sounds ex. talking to yourself saying "wow is she hot" - which are faintly sensed as usual unless in Instant-Lucid mode. But can we imaginate in a dream? Do we still have space for 2 of these mechanisms to go on? I remember once imaginating a beautiful gold bathroom with many doors (Auto-Created faintSensed by me? as walked around Auto-Created 3D dream (that used AC or just moving in already created 3D world?)) and then seen it around the corner, incorporated into the dream.
It basically creates something new but similar to the thing you're thinking about or thought about in the daytime.
It keeps re-arranging size/position/everything of key objects talked about/seen, check if it matches similar to the memory thought of just now/in day (matches ex. image or video!), then says yep good enough, and gives product to you.
GANs I think are similar, they generate "real looking" or "bird" images/etc from even pure noise. You can generate anything really, tech, knowledge, books, 3D/2D videos of military combat techniques, dead people.
You can use it over reality ex. a super large pillow on your kitchen table catching fire where want it to start at, it gets raytraced - we are already living in a 3D simulation - little own not really seeing "at the front of our eyes".
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Oh btw korrelan, this will make you laugh, here's your dream essentially:
https://demiart.ru/forum/uploads8/post-1418179-1315640126.jpg (https://demiart.ru/forum/uploads8/post-1418179-1315640126.jpg)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SkdQFsdrgyU/hqdefault.jpg (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SkdQFsdrgyU/hqdefault.jpg)
https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/images/4/44/145Espada_gather.png/revision/latest?cb=20140613152908&path-prefix=en (https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/bleach/images/4/44/145Espada_gather.png/revision/latest?cb=20140613152908&path-prefix=en)
also
https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fbleach%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd0%2FHollow_Night_Palace.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20100728205939%26path-prefix%3Den&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbleach.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FLas_Noches&docid=YmDXrrQefhl-yM&tbnid=6kryJhqEoiyhxM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjn5uf-vv_TAhXr7YMKHe80CzgQMwg1KBAwEA..i&w=1147&h=742&bih=879&biw=1280&q=hueco%20mundo%20table&ved=0ahUKEwjn5uf-vv_TAhXr7YMKHe80CzgQMwg1KBAwEA&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=742&imgdii=O9QBlU20mn_siM:&vet=10ahUKEwjn5uf-vv_TAhXr7YMKHe80CzgQMwg1KBAwEA..i&w=1147 (https://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fbleach%2Fimages%2Fd%2Fd0%2FHollow_Night_Palace.png%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20100728205939%26path-prefix%3Den&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbleach.wikia.com%2Fwiki%2FLas_Noches&docid=YmDXrrQefhl-yM&tbnid=6kryJhqEoiyhxM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjn5uf-vv_TAhXr7YMKHe80CzgQMwg1KBAwEA..i&w=1147&h=742&bih=879&biw=1280&q=hueco%20mundo%20table&ved=0ahUKEwjn5uf-vv_TAhXr7YMKHe80CzgQMwg1KBAwEA&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=742&imgdii=O9QBlU20mn_siM:&vet=10ahUKEwjn5uf-vv_TAhXr7YMKHe80CzgQMwg1KBAwEA..i&w=1147)
including these images:
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/d-white-people-sitting-round-table-large-clock-concept-time-40300937.jpg (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/d-white-people-sitting-round-table-large-clock-concept-time-40300937.jpg)
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4c931e18683c420190ec6f0342eec7d7/businessman-with-a-laptop-sitting-at-a-round-table-gx4dtk.jpg (http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/4c931e18683c420190ec6f0342eec7d7/businessman-with-a-laptop-sitting-at-a-round-table-gx4dtk.jpg)
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/multicolored-people-sitting-round-table-isolated-render-white-background-34303572.jpg (https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/multicolored-people-sitting-round-table-isolated-render-white-background-34303572.jpg)
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Your brain has a 3 d simulator in the automated subconscious part of you brain. It plot out and build movement through
the world and then caches them. This works like a video editor that cut up video segment and then reconnect them in
different order. They are tested on metrics and past experience. The new edits that fail big time are out right deleted.
For the new edits that are near border line of being correct and, the subconscious mind
cannot tell if they are real, are pass to conscious mind in a dream. A last chance before completely deleted.
For new edit that are correct, they are not dreams of. They are a new way of making
money or paying rent or coding a program, in a fully awaken state or a ha moment.
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Lol korrelan's dream yesterday made me construct a video of the whole thing, and images of the video I seen yesterday matched as similar to those pictures I provided in the links.
New dream. My cousins wanted to create a sky symbol outline cloud of white puff/smoke, then skydive through it, before becoming immortal. On these stairs on the grass I looked up at one already made on a angle up high, to copy, lol. I said it was too complex (it was a heart with a halo with a swirly vine with 3 leaf-vines and bulbs along it, something like that). So they decided on something else and started to actually create it (final symbol cloud) in the sky as I watched from above up high in sky looking down as design now. A jet (or 2?) I think flew by at left (and 1 at right (maybe)) making the puff cloud lines of the design. They choose something 100 times more complex lol, or as complex since could randomly add the parts and only must create certain attributes, a 3D snowflake with I think hundreds of diamonds and outside has idk 5 bars which each had 3 bars. So, it was a generated video OF creating a 3D image... Remember, my brain hears "pen in bellybutton" and it matches "flower in pot", it takes the pen and bellybutton 3D meshes in memory and re-arranges them, copies them, camera position, etc, and creates a 3D image that is similar but different, it matches the 3D image of a flower in a pot. With the snowflake, something matched and selected the 3D snowflake in memory, and the Auto-Creator started re-arranging things for each FRAME of the video of jets drawing the 3D snowflake cloud. But it also had to make a video of things drawing something too, say my hand or show/entertainment jets seen before. So, to know it's video will draw a 3D snowflake before actually drawing much yet and working on frame 1 or 6, it HAS and is matching the stored 3D snowflake guys, and video of jets making cloud lines. I remember a lot of it appearing somewhat fast, maybe in 120 frames? Like in a few seconds ex. 3 or 8. The video of line drawing would match stored video of such, but a unfinished 3D snowflake wouldn't match much to a full 3D snowflake, so it may be a idea to zero in on a specific area and check if matches ex. "98% yay" it says. It could also create a outline of the 3D snowflake stored, and any visual data that is out of bounds may jump a threshold of match-i-ness allowed. Overall, me and my cousins on the stairs and the clouds made and the rest of the dream before and later are a story, many stories, with the ends/beginnings being morphed by the last beginning. To make a story you can use sound language or visual language data in a hierarchy and the outputted language has key images even if use sound. The key images or videos of images guide the constructing of never-before-seen images and videos of even creating an image as just discussed, then walking through them ex. 3D-ized bedroom from your house. I suspect the Auto-Creator creates those too, just doesn't morph them, only camera position you'll see so can walk-through, with a new story of ex. strangers in your house and trying to build fortress in kitchen with them.
Awake in bed, I was imaginating (faintSense) starfox shooter/bomber jets flying around the ended-up created 3D snowflake cloud outline design lolz, and made the jets fire bullets/shoot bombs when wanted right on command!
keghn.
Brain.
3D simulator
(((Auto-Creator lets add)))
Plot & build movement through world, caches them.
Video Editor cut-up.
From *daytime, best actions/senses are done&saved. Poor are dreamt. Worst deleted.
.......this is missing a way to create the things I've mentioned. And if your idea includes the creator system, you're saying it creates similar but new things in day that are only sensed at night - but we know at night it is creating them on the fly.
........By the way my Auto-Creator doesn't need to do "Video-Editor cut-up" nor Plot & build movement through world. Though I'm thinking if I or the brain can "control" and move about in the 3D worlds...boy is this all confusing.
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Last night dreamt lots again.
McDonalds got demo-ed.
There was this hobo mooch. He was the pronlem. Old foster mom came and took me out fast. 1700s men and/or ones with tall hats on lined up and fired. Bye bye building.
Maybe keghn is right. Sure I can wake up and dream what just thought, or have external sensory input instantly affect dream, or use imagination when want in day after someone asking me a request to work on in mind. BUT, dream's order is froim daytime thoughts. And they can combine as seen in last night's dream.
I was thinking about McDonalds hobos, at another point in day was thinking about foster family (possibly because fake name I used was their last name), history i.e. 1700s, and 4thly, line up of men shooting.
This dream happened in a short time, and the story was made up out of all 4 or more thoughts.
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I have had some dreams that start out rather calmly then progress to a full blown, heart racing adventure for one's life!
Some happenings also seem to parallel things in life. You're in a dream and the bad guys have just tied your hands and feet. You struggle so hard to get your feet free only to suddenly awaken to find your feet tangled in the bed sheets! ;)
I have one very rare occasions been able to sort of "continue" a previous dream, like opening a book and reading the next chapter. A friend of mine claims that she does this quite regularly although such is not the norm for me.
It would also be interesting to see whether you dream in color or black and white / monochrome. I have experienced both but seems the adventure ones, especially in dark environments, are in mostly black and white.
...to sleep perchance to dream... - Shakespeare -
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I have never dreamt in Black & White. On the technical side, maybe only for seconds and of which were never remembered (especially if for only seconds). It's probably from watching B&W TV in the old days. I have, seen, B&W shows. But I mostly (and rewardingly), see color, so no wonder. In us, B&W dreamers can only come from this. No other way unless certain genes. Plus CNNs develop from birth else blindness.
I've continued a dream, possibly twice in a row. I've also dreamt same dreams - with a twist, or tweak ;).
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I found a pic that looks like exactly like my dream with that evil AI robot with a moving-gear spine attached to a machine in the middle of the factory/warehouse on a mountain cliff.
https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/images/Support/Builds/ReleaseNotes/2016/4_13/image_22.jpg
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Looks like something from Alien movies.
How you doing Locksuit ?
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ANNIHILATION Official Trailer (2018) Natalie Portman Adventure Movie HD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjeUhj_1fPk
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Scorn - Reveal Trailer + Pre-Alpha Gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlBtP3-x_w
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@fREDDY
Doing good. Workin on AI still.
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extinct:
https://extinct.tv/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwpMLOBRC9ARIsAPiGeZA0t74Xu2SZN9jTmRPl0sbwCw6T0NZ120nqrNlzNGlnhyvN7If7zwkaAk-5EALw_wcB#/
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ADAM: The Mirror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8NeB10INDo
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i think with dreams its not what we think it is, our brain can produce visions, but these visions we are getting from elsewhere, if not produced conciously ourselves.
you can tell if you "visioned" something or not, and when its coming from not you, where is it coming from.
and i swear we dream the same things with people we dont even know.
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Me and keghn already know. :)
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Pacific Rim: Uprising Trailer #1 (2018) | Movieclips Trailers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EhiLLOhVis
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I think dreams are a combination and compilation of things, people, events and places that you have either experienced, imagined or created (much like an artist creates a painting from only his/her thoughts or ideas).
Not all dreams are scary nor pleasant. Some are tiring, urgent, somber, sleepy, disturbing, falling, running, can't run fast at all, being chased, flying, hiding, funny, family, strangers, etc.
We've experienced them all from time to time. What triggers them is in our individual subconscious minds.
Could they be replicated in an A.I.? Most likely. Will an advanced A.I. ever have similar thoughts or enter a dream-like state based on it's past interactions or long term memory storage? Would or could they possibly affect the A.I. judgement? A block against such dreams would limit the A.I.'s creative ability and thought retrieval processes. Freedom to dream and to daydream and imagine....
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If you wonder how dreams could be programmed, the answer would be: using neural nets backwards.
Neural networks are great for recognizing things, i.e. transforming from a picture of a cat to a word "cat". Then, going backwards, you just need to say "cat" to get a picture of a cat on the other side, that is one of stored pictures, or a combination of them.
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I wonder if a self driving car could deal with with this nightmare?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ajrXwD0Cho
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Even though the video was looped twice, the dramatic effect was much like being in hell on wheels!! Can't imagine the suffering and loss of those people. A Sad time indeed!
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I agree with Ivan Mooney about the machine dreams, get an inference/learning/id system and produce some funny blurry data backwards, its what i was most interested in a.i, being a game programmer, its the fun thing alot of us would enjoy.
Its fully explained as a machine that way, you can even code it yourself with experience... ... but with us its different.
Art, u call it the subconscious from a lack of understanding, who knows what it is! if you didnt put it in your eye, what the hell was it and where did it come from?!?!!?
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Let me try this approach for you...
If you were born into this world and kept in a dark, pitch black room and was never allowed out and never shown anything your world would be very limited. You'd have no visual images in your mind. Your memory of objects, things, places wouldn't exist.
Your memory is based on your life's experiences, travels, sights, sounds, things, people, etc. Your mind holds these memories.
It is your imagination that allows your mind to play with this collection of images, thoughts, ideas to create dreams, fantasy images of things that could never be or possibly exist other than in your mind.
So again, I contend that your dreams are based on things that you have seen or experienced in your mind as you make your way through this journey we call life.
Conscious or subconscious, either way, it works. To me, the conscious is when the body is awake like in a daydream.
The subconscious is your mind's playground being open while you sleep.
At least that is my take.
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I take that.
Hehe you guys are having fun on my thread.
Ah Art, the typical thought we AI people have - what if a baby starts out in a black room.
I think I've spoke to yous all about meh Imagination Generator. I KNOW how dreams and creative imaginations are created on command. And I tell you it is a powerful tool to extend.
Ever see so many object placed o neatly? That old man hangin around spent a lot a time makin the place just right for you to witness for a mere moment. NAH ! No one is crafting them by hand! It's all 3D objects. It re-arrange their arttributes to create images, keeps checking, then videos, keeps checking. Then outputs. The storyline comes from the daytime sights, then refreshes. Ever notice you wake n nap & dream what just seen? Oh and things in day can mix. I thought about grandparents near mid of day and mom said she misses me since slept in and then I went back to continue sleep and dreamt of leaving car on highway, met grandparents in coffeshop, then they said oh your mom must be looking for you! Etc. Also had a previous dream that combined 3/4 things and was much clearer proving this.
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Now if your wood robot cant take the heat then??
Owner Saves His Home From Flood With Aqua Dam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cou3Hp3rs
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My crew had used them several times in the past, on construction projects to keep tidal waters in check. Installed properly on good site conditions, they really do work well.
Imagine the new dreams, "Flooding" the imaginations of those people who experienced that horror.
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People talk about randomness in dreams. But what about repeating dreams ?
and i swear we dream the same things with people we dont even know.
Sometimes I think that too. I knew a girl once who used to get the same repeating dream as me. I don't think she was making it up, we were good friends.
I get a lot of lucid dreams these days for some reason. Age related maybe.
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Yes, me too!
Yet I talk with some people and kids who say they either don't dream at all or don't remember dreaming if they do.
Go figure.
There are some nights where I actually look forward to sleeping to enjoy dreaming.
I have had what I call, "Continuation Dreams", which is as it sounds, picking up where I left off the previous night. Perhaps I awoke before the dream had finished. Almost like playing a movie and one movie reel had finished. Now I need the second, final reel to play.
Don't know and it doesn't happen often at all, but it has happened a few times.
My favorite dream (since childhood) is that of being able to Fly...not in a plane, but me gently but forcefully pushing my arms down as if pushing the air past me, climbing higher until I look down and see familiar sights below me. Not like Superman but much slower, more expressive and deliberate. Yeah...definitely beats being chased by bad guys and your legs don't or won't run fast!!
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i always crash in my flying deams. goes to show 2 different personalities here. :)
I think you have to spot the hole in the plot and realize its a telepathic experience, dreaming. i wont be shaken.
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I very rarely dream… or remember them. The one recurring dream I had as a child was a variation on the flying dream. I would be walking only on my hands, but I could push off and jump huge distances; like I was in low gravity… I still remember the feeling and force required to walk or make a jump. I miss those dreams.
I think dreams in general are produced by our free running imagination/ consciousness/ global thought pattern locking onto facets of patterns closest to the current ‘dreams’ narrative. It’s a self feeding feedback loop in the absence of sensory stimulus. This is why dreams can take such strange turns; include similar concepts in twisted scenarios etc. The facets of the current moment in the dream are similar to another memory or experience so the pattern merges to create a new moment… repeat. Mix this effect with the continuational effects of episodic memory recall and you have dreams.
It’s not surprising humans have similar recurring dreams. We all live in the same reality/ society and all experience similar fears and experiences as we move though life. Our experiences are very limited by our narrow development and life styles. We all love to feel free and we mostly all hate the dentist etc.
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not remembering dreams gets u active in the real world, i think its a grumpy growing up kind of thing to do.
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Link Between Nightmares and Self Harm:
http://neurosciencenews.com/nightmare-self-harm-7854/
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Slaughterbots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HipTO_7mUOw
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Had cool dream.
Start from first sketch top right - I was in a dark barn basement with refuges/aliens?, waiting for a swat team, and in the dark cold storm a evil Satan pounded in and hit the floor, totally unexpected, awesome!, the colors and music was bizarre and realistic, my sketch is only so you can grasp the his rough hard body etc and the complex lightiing shape etc, music was quite-ish I think and was like (pronounce:) beeir beeir .1 .2 .3. .4 .5 .6 and played again, (also 'beeir' sounded like a evil western motor sound), it raised its arms up fast with power, one fat devilish pretty-powerful blacky refuge alien guy took out two like long shotguns in cool manner and shot its sided backward, it still was ok, it sucked him in and ate him in the mouth, gruesome man, crazy, then one refuge alien capped its head, it was saying "what the hell is this thing!" the second time it got capped in the fight, I woke up, and finally decided to let go of the helmet cap with my finger idk why I was also holding it on lol. There was another demon-oid that pounded down in shown on roof near same time too, not shown in dream though, not focused on.
Before that, we were in the barn basement, and a fat pig/Labrador was roaming around my kitchen/barn crossing two scenes lol, my dog had died and so its sad, but wasn't fat or looked like i pig lol, we called him babe though lol, then it was pulling at a deer's head's skin, trying to eat it, my mom said let it go leave it, wow, gruesome.
Wish I could've recorded the movie sry! lol
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No more cheese before bed time for you...
:)
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I've had 2 dreams that told me something I needed to know.
One in a very direct manner exactly what had happened to something I had given to my first wife. I still remember the look on her face and how she caught her breath as if surprised when we woke up and I told her what I had just dreamed. I got proof positive after the fact.
The other was only a couple years ago. It told me to call the bank when I got up and query the status of a bank account I had some connection to by family. I just knew I was supposed to when I woke up. An account, come to find out, that had been closed without my knowledge, in secrecy, even though it had come up in recent conversation and money changed hands as though it was still open.
The rest are just dreams. Some I remember, some I don't.
I don't seem to have nightmares, but I dream a lot about people I knew who have died. I will have some random dream and they will just be on the sidelines watching. They never try to interact with me, never try to tell me anything, and it usually doesn't occur to me they are really dead. It's not frightening or upsetting while I'm dreaming or wake up, just strange.
The last one I had I finally realized the person was actually dead and I don't know if I've had a dream like it since.
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ohhhh 2:20 that's what the basement area looked like in that dream above...seems my brain knew how to make me view many diferent angles in that room, it was full 3D and not even 2D sketchy, but was a tad different and darker, but i recognized it from this vid!!!!
however some dreams have shown fuzzy girls from low quality videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY&feature=youtu.be
omg that 0:40 part, comeon my henchman!