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Title: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on March 15, 2018, 09:50:26 pm
https://www.livescience.com/61997-pentagon-aliens-investigation.html

I'm just going to put this out there to see if it gets any traction. Over the past few months the US defence department has released a number of gun camera videos taken over the past 15 years by the most advanced technology on the market, together with expert witness accounts by fighter pilots, weapons systems officers, and naval staff with the highest levels of training and security clearance. They show unidentified aircraft that demonstrate flight characteristics far beyond the capabilities of any known technology, in some cases even defying the known laws of physics. Scientists are quick to point out that just because we don't know where this technology comes from, it does not mean that it must come from other planets or stars...

There have been hundreds of articles and videos published about this disclosure over the past few months. Feel free to Google for the rest if you aren't already aware of it.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Freddy on March 15, 2018, 10:02:31 pm
I like this kind of thing, but I sometimes despair over the wild conjecture that you see on TV shows. One of the first things I did when I got a PC was look up UFOs !

But yes, I had not heard of this, thanks for posting it. I read the article and see there are more linked, but it's late here so I will read more tomorrow.

One thing though, didn't it used to be a lot longer before things like this got released publicly ?
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Art on March 16, 2018, 02:35:26 am
In fact some of the major players have been cautioned for posting or the use of "Fake News" or Pseudo Hype meant to draw attention like many of those click-bait sites that try to draw you in then show you garbage or nonsense.

Let's hope they don't have too hard a time telling the real from a nicely faked photoshop image!  O0
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on March 16, 2018, 08:38:05 pm
Ever since the original articles were published in December I've been searching for a credible refutation of the claims made but so far I haven't found any reason not to take them seriously. While the leaked videos don't show much by themselves, taken in conjunction with the expert testimony of numerous high ranking government and military personnel it's pretty compelling.

snopes.com is the go to website for things like this but they remain silent on the issue. There is a fairly thorough analysis and refutation of the most recently published video on metabunk.org but unfortunately it is based on a wrong assumption and fails to prove anything. I guess they were in too much of a hurry to show how smart they are. Can anyone else spot the glaring mistake in their arguments?

https://www.metabunk.org/go-fast-footage-from-tom-delonges-to-the-stars-academy-bird-balloon.t9569/
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Freddy on March 17, 2018, 12:24:36 am
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Can anyone else spot the glaring mistake in their arguments?

If it has anything to do with the maths then no !

I thought the parallax thing was interesting though - and of course birds can manoeuvre unlike any known aircraft to use the usual wording.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Korrelan on March 17, 2018, 11:48:56 am
I love this kind of stuff… so what do we recon these UFO’s are?

They come from far away galaxies. Perhaps they can fold space?

They come from inside the moon, one of the planets in our solar system or from a planet/ ship with a wide orbit yet to be discovered.

A race of reptilians living inside the Earth with advanced tech… did the dinosaurs go extinct?

Inter-dimensional travellers/ observers, phasing in and out at will.

Time travellers coming back from our future.

An undiscovered natural phenomena that can induce illusions in humans.
 
Technology that the earth governments/ militaries are not disclosing.

They are misinterpretations of natural earth bound phenomena.

Oh! The list goes on…

 :)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Art on March 17, 2018, 08:56:58 pm
Ohh Waiter!!!

I'll have what he's having!!! :2funny:
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Korrelan on March 18, 2018, 05:42:22 pm
What do we want?... Time travel.

When do we want it?... It's irrelevant.

 :D
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on March 19, 2018, 11:18:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwmWnY4P1w

Everyone believes what they see on Fox News, right?
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Freddy on March 22, 2018, 09:51:50 pm
So correct me if I am wrong (probably) this one was moving in a straight line with no observable exhaust at very fast speeds ?

If that's the case couldn't it be space junk falling to Earth ?

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Everyone believes what they see on Fox News, right?

I don't really get exposed to Fox News, but I understand they are not highly rated. More like tabloid news ?
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on March 23, 2018, 03:28:12 am
So correct me if I am wrong (probably) this one was moving in a straight line with no observable exhaust at very fast speeds ?
If that's the case couldn't it be space junk falling to Earth?

Yes it was travelling low and fast near the surface of the ocean at very high speed. If you look closely at the gun camera footage which is recorded in the infrared spectrum, it's apparent that the object is colder than the ocean below it, so that (and the trajectory) rules out space junk. It looked very similar to the kinds of objects that many different pilots and radar operators had seen before, often performing seemingly impossible maneuvers.

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Everyone believes what they see on Fox News, right?
I don't really get exposed to Fox News, but I understand they are not highly rated. More like tabloid news ?

That's correct, Fox News is closely allied with the alt-right and the kinds of Americans that the civilised world likes to mock. However I used that clip because it was very recent and as far as I could ascertain, it didn't actually contain any factual errors. There are many others from reputable news services such as this one from CNN a few months ago about a different incident involving one of these strange craft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1THwiaXZfzA

If you feel like searching for more, look for interviews with Luis Elizondo and David Fravor. Mr Elizondo is the US Defence Dept official who started this whole disclosure business, and Cmdr Fravor is one of the pilots who has encountered these things in the air.

There's actually a pretty good wikipedia article about it too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on April 30, 2020, 12:47:52 am
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/pentagon-ufo-videos/index.html (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/pentagon-ufo-videos/index.html)

So, for the last couple of years I've been waiting for someone to refute these claims but the opposite has been happening. Last year the US Department of Defence admitted publicly that the videos were genuine and also instigated a program to encourage and formalize the process of reporting such incidents. Now they have officially released the original videos so we can verify that they haven't been tampered with.

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The Navy previously acknowledged the veracity of the videos in September of last year. They are officially releasing them now, "in order to clear up any misconceptions by the public on whether or not the footage that has been circulating was real, or whether or not there is more to the videos," according to Pentagon spokesperson Sue Gough.

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Luis Elizondo, the former head of the classified program, told CNN in 2017 that he personally believes "there is very compelling evidence that we may not be alone."

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"These aircraft -- we'll call them aircraft -- are displaying characteristics that are not currently within the US inventory nor in any foreign inventory that we are aware of," Elizondo said of objects they researched.

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Reid tweeted Monday that he was "glad" the Pentagon officially released the videos, but that "it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications."

Someone or something has technology that is so much more advanced than anything we can conceive that if it were hostile, they could end us.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: LOCKSUIT on April 30, 2020, 01:11:27 am
So what can the do? Fly fast and change direction fast? What else?

Changing direction fast is possible if no one mushy were in it :)
A key trend in my research is induction, too much change too fast causes electricity to be generated in a wire from a magnet, and causes crushed victims in cars too. If we could control it, we could improve slowing ageing in Cryonics and Accelonics which plays with motion (heat) in your body.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Art on April 30, 2020, 04:53:17 am
One 'G' is the force of gravity at sea level. Excessive G's can happen with the blood rushes from the brain toward the feet in a vertical thrust. Not so extreme with a sideways thrust but passing out can still happen.

Due to their intense training, fighter pilots routinely exceed 4, 5, or more G's during their practice runs and missions.

Many years ago, one man, in a test rocket sled, went 46.2 G's and survived. Check out John Stapp and US Air Force in 1954. He (and it) went 632 mph in 5 seconds, then came to a stop in just over one second!!
The G forces had to be incredible!

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/gravity-forces/ (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/gravity-forces/)

It seems almost inconceivable to me that a being onboard a spacecraft that can change direction in less than a second would be anything we humans might consider "normal". The craft alone would be trying to tear itself apart by exercising such maneuvers let alone the fate of any passenger or pilot.

They would have to have some very special propulsion methods and some extremely advanced protective equipment for the pilot of such a craft like highly pressurized suits or containment chairs.

While I'm not saying such crafts do not exist, perhaps some of them are autonomous crafts. Obviously, the ones crashing are operated by beings, likely distracted while arguing about having missed a turn at Rigel 5! ;)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Korrelan on April 30, 2020, 04:47:34 pm
They use an electrostatic field to negate air friction and gravity in the same way a cavitation torpedo negates water friction.  The small aerials/ protrusions are outside the field and although still subject to air friction, their discharge is used as directed ionized propulsion…

or fairy dust… both are valid.

 :)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on May 01, 2020, 01:02:30 am
@Korrelan

https://www.amazon.com/Carpe-Cranium-Black-Triangle-T-shirt/dp/B07N53PH8N (https://www.amazon.com/Carpe-Cranium-Black-Triangle-T-shirt/dp/B07N53PH8N)

These "black triangle" UFOs have been spooking a few people in recent years. They're allegedly some kind of stealth drone for surveillance, developed in one of the USA's black projects. If they exist they might have some kind of electrostatic or plasma drive system but there is absolutely no evidence for them other than a few wild stories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO))

https://www.space.com/302-silent-running-black-triangle-sightings-rise.html (https://www.space.com/302-silent-running-black-triangle-sightings-rise.html)

Decades ago there were lots of reports about a different class of "black triangle" UFO which were generally referred to as "big black deltas" and were most often seen near military bases. They turned out to be real. They were B2 stealth bombers which were still highly classified at that time, undergoing test flights.

None of these things are even remotely related to the current situation where you have twelve metre long flying white tic-tac shaped aircraft intimidating our most highly trained and experienced military forces who are equipped with our most advanced technology.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Don Patrick on May 01, 2020, 07:39:05 am
Fox News is an entertainment show with actors pretending to be upset about news that they half made up.

I took a look at the video footage. The pilots sound like complete hillbillies instead of professionals so I'm not going to consider them credible. I'm not above considering the possibility of non-natural causes or extraterrestrials, but if you told me that a plane saw a dark shape flying right across the water below them matching their speed... I'd say

It's their shadow.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: manases on July 02, 2020, 12:04:19 pm
If this footage would have been released 50-100 years ago, I think the world would have gone crazy.
Now - nobody cares much.
It is like saying - we got our problems, you aliens leave us alone...unless you give us free stuff :)

My problem with the alien UAPs theory is that they (aliens - advanced) should have a better scanner than us and investigate from orbit or further away and also they should be undetectable if they wanted to enter with ships in our atmosphere.

So it is a pretty weird situation in which, if you exclude advanced aliens who try to investigate us from a scientifically pov, you are left with maybe even bigger questions.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: manases on July 02, 2020, 12:14:18 pm
This footage is also in my top alien references
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LS9z7n5iHU&fbclid=IwAR3HPqyMG67rVepTg-v4WyCd_VvpzLhqY9U8wtXMSXoQAW0wN021lk2mK3o

And there are a few more similar ones where high-speed objects change direction in a way which is impossible for any human-made objects or natural phenomena.
I like more the videos from the space stations - it puts the UAPs in a better perspective I think - in the right context :)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Korrelan on July 02, 2020, 02:13:27 pm
Hi... Manases

Wasn't this explained away by ice crystals floating in close proximity to the shuttle, then being disturbed/ blown away by the reaction control thrusters?

 :)

Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: manases on July 02, 2020, 02:25:34 pm
I didn't know that.
I will have a look thanks.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: manases on July 02, 2020, 02:39:54 pm
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a4298/4319637/
Ok found it.
Yeah it makes sense.
I am new into the UFOs thing- just building my knowledge base :)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: frankinstien on July 02, 2020, 05:06:17 pm
I am a skeptic of these things as per what the media and the whole UFOlogy thing in general describe and claim.

One of the problems with the argument of it being a craft from a  distant star is they show up on RADAR!

If I were to visit a civilization that couldn't answer the questions that I have about themselves I wouldn't make the craft of metal. Why? If I needed a craft to explore the surface of a planet that had a thick atmosphere I'd make it atmospherically buoyant that way it could hover over areas when needed without having to expend energy. Second I would give the craft the ability to fly at hypersonic to orbital speeds. Thirdly I wouldn't have the craft manned since transporting the kitchen sink and bathroom across interstellar space is unnecessary.

To make a vehicle as described above I would need to develop a material that is lighter than air and stronger than steel (https://www.livescience.com/57432-stronger-than-steel-material.html#:~:text=The%20new%20material%20gets%20its%20amazing%20strength%20from%20its%20unique%20geometric%20configuration.&text=A%20spongy%20new%20super%2Dmaterial,into%20a%20vast%2C%20cobwebby%20network.). This material could then create a craft that internally is a vacuum so there is no need for a gas like  hydrogen or helium to displace the air inside the craft. Its outer surface could be used to create an inverted jet engine. Where cool air from one side of the craft is sucked across its surface to an area that is heated to a very high temperature. Using nano-technology a smart alien could make micro-batteries and align the atoms to exploit the vast electrical power of atoms. These nano-batteries not only provide the heat to move the air but can also cool the incoming air as the craft reaches hypersonic speeds. This allows the craft's inverted ram-jet to continue to provide thrust beyond the hypersonic velocities! Because the craft is soo light it can accelerate itself to orbital velocity.

Oh and I'd make the craft stealth to radar and probably visibly as well so I could monitor the inhabitants without interfering with their natural behaviors. Making the craft clear like plexiglass is not an impossible feat if our alien visitors are masters of atoms!

The ability to communicate FTL has been done with quantum ghost imaging (https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2016.0233). Where entangled photons can detect each other's interactions. Think of being able to build a transceiver where each side uses a polarization filter than can be controlled. Where, as I modify the filter to form a shape the image of the shape appears on the other side instantly! So communicating across interstellar space just might be possible. So why would I send bio-bags filled with water? I'm better off sending nano-space ships that require a fraction of the energy to propel to distant stars. So what energy could a nano-spaceship use to cross the galaxy? Electric fields of stars and gas giants. Despite the nano-ships can travel fast something like 10 to 99 percent of the speed of light becomes problematic. Why? Because the true speed limit to cross space is not the speed of light but the speed that a ship can withstand a collision with some trivial piece of dust. Why large spaceships moving near the speed of light is not possible, if they strike a microscopic piece of material in space the impact would be like that of an atomic bomb. So ET probably would just send nano-probes that they can remote-sense using an entangled-transceiver.

Since the nano-ships are soo small they can only carry DNA like information on how to build whatever they need at their destination, like the buoyant aircraft described earlier and inclusive of the ability to make the probes look like the life living on our planet. The next time you look at your neighbor, boss, boyfriend, or girlfriend, ask them more questions about where they're from, you just never know it just might be ET.  :D

OF course, if the expressway to the galaxy is using nano-technology then it explains Fermi's paradox. The more technologically advance an intelligent species becomes the smaller and more energy-efficient is their technology. It's kinda hard to see a space-ship the size of an insect or smaller positioning itself in orbit...
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on July 24, 2020, 11:09:42 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html)

In recent years there have been many accounts from individuals with high credibility and access to classified materials claiming that these things are real and that there is plenty of hard evidence to substantiate their claims. In the latest development, The New York Times is reporting that preparations are underway to release more of that previously classified evidence to public scrutiny.

The way I see it, there are three possibilities in decreasing order of likelihood:

Seriously though, if they're real, I'm convinced there would be AI involved because no living thing would be able to survive the maneuvers that the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena have been demonstrating, and that's what I'm hanging out to see.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: frankinstien on July 24, 2020, 11:37:12 pm
To me, the real problem with these photographs and videos is the potential of someone who has actually modified this classified information so it looks like some aircraft when there really isn't or has masked or distorted the information. In which case this is a serious problem with consequences that can have loss of lives. If military intelligence documents inclusive of video and photographs can be accessed and modified that is a big threat.

Of course, we would like to believe we are safe, but to give you an example: Remember when the Russians were flying BearCat bombers near US and NATO airspace? This was happening for several years. The bombers would just appear near US air space and obviously the military would send out interceptors. Radar uses a chirp or identifier to be able to differentiate the signals sent out and time them to determine distances and altitudes. If one could intercept that signal and create or mimick it that could cause one of two problems. 1. this could cause the radar computer to ignore the signal because it interprets it to be a bogey reflection. 2 the signal is tampered with and is corrupted which causes the radar computer to ignore the signal. The Russians were, IMHO, conducting experiments to test their ability to jam US radar systems. Now you may say impossible, but one-fourth of July Putin called Obama to wish him a happy fourth of July, at that very same time Russian bombers appeared near US air space over Alaska! It stands to reason that the Russians were able to jam US  radar and then turned off their jammer once they entered international airspace but were close enough to trigger an interception. Now, here's the proof, after several years of this cat and mouse game an obscure military magazine, not the major media, disclosed that the US military got funding to upgrade the antiquated radar system that was currently in place. The system was soo old it had cpus from the 80s! Piece of cake to jam or confuse.

Of course that chirp would be encrypted but with cpus of the 80s doing the computations current retail processors could easily figure how to decrypt them. Eitther that or they do have good spies that can give them intel on those processes....
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Freddy on July 24, 2020, 11:46:58 pm
Thanks for digging this up again, my interest is renewed.

I think a lot of this stuff must be mistaken identity - I mean often photographs when examined turn out to be camera artifacts and so on.

One thing that intrigued me some years back was the mysterious rods that appeared on various videos, the most clear was one I saw was of numerous strange flying objects caught over a large hole in the ground by potholers. I can't find the footage, when I watched it was probably before YouTube.

I had my suspicions it was insects and soon that was explained as such. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(optics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(optics))

Do click on the link if only to see the photo.

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Various paranormal interpretations of this phenomenon appear in popular culture. One of the more outspoken proponents of rods as alien life forms was the late Jose Escamilla, who claimed to have been the first to film them on March 19, 1994 in Roswell, New Mexico, while attempting to film a UFO. Escamilla later made additional videos and embarked on lecture tours to promote his claims.

That's worth examining - some people are making a living out of outlandish claims. Look up David Icke - he used to be a sports presenter in the UK, but I think someone slipped something exotic into the halftime drinks. He thinks that the royal family are lizard people. One of the founder members of AiDreams bought and posted me a book of his once, I flicked through it and am just glad it wasn't my money.

 
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Data on July 25, 2020, 09:48:07 am
I had my suspicions it was insects and soon that was explained as such.
More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_(optics)

Do click on the link if only to see the photo.


Freddy, your link seems to be broken.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on July 25, 2020, 10:44:58 am
Freddy, your link seems to be broken.

There I fixed it with my admin super-powers.  :)

It wasn't the link that was broken, it was the message parser that automatically highlights URLs in messages. It failed to include the closing parenthesis so I'd consider that a bug. Wrapping the URL in URL tags works though.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Korrelan on July 25, 2020, 12:00:53 pm
The UFO’s are not extraterrestrial; they come from within the Earth.  Lizard people/ UFO’s/ etc are all connected, the dinosaurs didn't all die out… they've had millions of years of evolution, there down there… watching and controlling us… hehe.

 :2funny:
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: frankinstien on July 25, 2020, 08:22:33 pm
The UFO’s are not extraterrestrial; they come from within the Earth.  Lizard people/ UFO’s/ etc are all connected, the dinosaurs didn't all die out… they've had millions of years of evolution, there down there… watching and controlling us… hehe.

 :2funny:

Well...Think about it, the sea levels today are about 360 feet higher than 20,000 (https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1496) years ago because of the ice age melted ice.  Realizing that there could be past human civilizations that are  something like the legendary Atlantis only now they are 360 feet underwater! So I bet, that the UFOs are actually Atlantian ships from a returning intertellar mission. When they returned to earth they couldn't believe thier civilization drowned, but being much wiser now they have been slowly re-introducing technology to humanity and are actually the Illuminati.... :P
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Korrelan on July 26, 2020, 12:43:41 pm
Or... perhaps our visitors are from the elusive planet X, they reckon there could be another planet in a wide orbit.

 ;)

 
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Data on July 27, 2020, 09:55:52 am
Freddy, your link seems to be broken.

There I fixed it with my admin super-powers.  :)

It wasn't the link that was broken, it was the message parser that automatically highlights URLs in messages. It failed to include the closing parenthesis so I'd consider that a bug. Wrapping the URL in URL tags works though.

Top job infurl O0

If I was to add some thoughts to this thread it would be this.

I refuse to believe we are the only life in the universe.

The humans have only had real science for a relatively short amount of time - we don't have many of the answers. 

Chocolate is delicious  ;D
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Freddy on July 27, 2020, 04:54:53 pm
I think I can agree on the chocolate  ;D
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: HS on July 27, 2020, 05:08:23 pm
The chocolate is a good point. I recently made about kilogram of chocolate out of cocoa butter, hazel nuts, and cocoa powder to see if three ingredients would be enough. All gone after a few days... it must be aliens.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: frankinstien on July 27, 2020, 05:25:11 pm
The chocolate is a good point. I recently made about kilogram of chocolate out of cocoa butter, hazel nuts, and cocoa powder to see if three ingredients would be enough. All gone after a few days... it must be aliens.

Yes, earth scientists haven't discovered the potential of chocolate yet, but chocolate can be used in a matter-antimatter reaction for warp drives. So yes, aliens are probably at work... :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: frankinstien on July 27, 2020, 10:52:50 pm
I'd love to give those aliens a run for their money:

My Plane (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYyd2tulIbU)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on July 28, 2020, 01:30:36 am
Coming soon to a kickstarter near you. :D
Pledge $100 and get an embossed drink coaster.
Looks nice though.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on July 29, 2020, 10:38:24 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/insider/UFO-reporting.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/insider/UFO-reporting.html)

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Reporting on the Pentagon program that’s investigating unidentified flying objects is not about belief. It’s about a vigilant search for facts.

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Numerous associates of the Pentagon program, with high security clearances and decades of involvement with official U.F.O. investigations, told us they were convinced such crashes have occurred, based on their access to classified information. But the retrieved materials themselves, and any data about them, are completely off-limits to anyone without clearances and a need to know.

What worries me is that many of these officials would prefer this unexplained and unidentified advanced technology to be of extra-terrestrial origin (i.e. aliens) than to be coming from China or Russia.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: frankinstien on August 02, 2020, 09:46:19 pm
Ever wonder were the idea of the flying saucer came from?

Saucer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCr2mqR3VN4)
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: Freddy on August 06, 2020, 06:31:21 pm
This came up on my Facebook page today.

You can see why before they were well known, that people might get the wrong idea - black triangular craft, nothing like aircraft that were known at the time.

It's a Typhoon .
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on September 17, 2020, 08:15:22 am
Lex Fridman interviews David Fravor. This is a really long podcast but it is packed with an amazing amount of information including details about the artificial intelligence components of modern avionics systems, the differences between commercial and military systems, their training and operational regimen, and what it is really like being part of a close-knit team of some of the most capable, accomplished, and highly trained human beings who have ever lived. That they also happened to witness and report on the most credible and mind-boggling UFO encounter that has ever been made public is almost incidental.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E)

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Aviation is a self-cleaning oven.
Title: Re: unidentified aerial phenomena
Post by: infurl on June 26, 2021, 03:17:57 am
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-26/us-report-pentagon-ufos-uap-sightings-unexplained/100246210 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-26/us-report-pentagon-ufos-uap-sightings-unexplained/100246210)

I have seen quite a few articles about the Pentagon's UAP report in recent days. This one seems to have all the pertinent details without trying to push any particular agenda. You can find many more by searching Google News or YouTube for the term "UAP".

The only thing conclusively stated by the report is that the UAPs do not originate from the USA. However if that is a lie, it wouldn't be the first time. US intelligence services have a long history of promoting belief in UFOs to distract attention from their secret operations.

The report covers 144 incidents since 2004. 143 of those incidents remain unexplained. 80 of the incidents were corroborated by multiple simultaneous sensor readings and highly trained expert witnesses. 18 of those unexplained incidents exhibit capabilities beyond any known human technology.

You can read the unclassified version of the report here:

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena (https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2021/item/2223-preliminary-assessment-unidentified-aerial-phenomena)

Naturally all the best stuff is still classified and not available to us although it has been publicly alluded to by people with access to it like Barack Obama and Luis Elizondo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcH5nuqa-0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcH5nuqa-0w)