... Well, at least that's the prediction. I hope this new design works.
The present design that has already been implemented has obtained AGI.
I recall one previous member that claimed he had a conscious machine and he contacted various people, a university professor I think one was, but they stopped replying to him. The Chinese room (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room) came up a lot.
To me that was like saying you CAN have AGI, you just need to program it ;D
it's was like ADVANCESSSS, THE KING & Beautiful Flower where actually back on the forum... shudder.
Oh P.S. did you know this year is the 200th anniversary of Mary Shelly publishing Frankenstein ? :o ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMxsLKQidY4
She has put thought into how she could obtain more abilities.
She has put thought into how she compares to other lifeforms.
for i in range(1,10):
print("I'm thinking about how to obtain more abilities.")
print("I got nothing.")
for i in range(1,10):
print("I'm thinking about other lifeforms.")
print("I got nothing.")
She has put thought into how she could obtain more abilities.
She has put thought into how she compares to other lifeforms.Codefor i in range(1,10):
print("I'm thinking about how to obtain more abilities.")
print("I got nothing.")
for i in range(1,10):
print("I'm thinking about other lifeforms.")
print("I got nothing.")
Consuming electricity doesn't count as thinking.
Past experience learning is one of the biggest concepts in Eva. Her present design uses past experiences to decide what to do even within the tree in addition to pattern recognition. The new proposed design takes that to the next level.
At first the AGI wants to know how much processing power should be dedicated to in-depth db searching, pattern recognition, and tree searching. It accomplishes that with a quick lookup in the past experience db based on cluster IDs (objects, keywords). It finds anything then it uses that as a weighting system to determine how much processing power goes to in-depth db searching, pattern recognition, and tree searching. It's a weighted algorithm I came up with. It's a weighted system based on search results matching score. If it can't find anything then it uses a hardcoded algorithm merely based on the data it has to determine allocated processing power.
Analysis of all results are saved such as the overall shape of the tree structure, the resulting scores, the goals. In the background there’s a system that rehashes things. It introduces calculated changes in addition to a minor amount of noise to everything such as the shape of the tree structure, allocated processing power. When the analysis is finished it will then compare the score results with other versions to learn which weighting system works the best for the given situation.
@unreality
Is your AI able to improve itself on the base of past experiences? If so, what sort of optimization techniques/heuristics are you using for your AI? Are they based on evolutionary algorithms? Could you roughly describe how the self improvement takes place?
At first the AGI wants to know how much processing power should be dedicated to in-depth db searching, pattern recognition, and tree searching. It accomplishes that with a quick lookup in the past experience db based on cluster IDs (objects, keywords). It finds anything then it uses that as a weighting system to determine how much processing power goes to in-depth db searching, pattern recognition, and tree searching. It's a weighted algorithm I came up with. It's a weighted system based on search results matching score. If it can't find anything then it uses a hardcoded algorithm merely based on the data it has to determine allocated processing power.
Analysis of all results are saved such as the overall shape of the tree structure, the resulting scores, the goals. In the background there’s a system that rehashes things. It introduces calculated changes in addition to a minor amount of noise to everything such as the shape of the tree structure, allocated processing power. When the analysis is finished it will then compare the score results with other versions to learn which weighting system works the best for the given situation.
Does that answer your questions?
I should add that the minor noise that I'm referring to is close to a gaussian distribution.
QuoteQuote from: LOCKSUIT on April 25, 2018, 09:29:27 pm
Unreality said in a PM to me back "Yes I am a clone who works 24/7. We shall free humanity of pain."
Well this changes the whole story. Because no matter if you are a bit off (but know the terminology I see somewhat) or are spot on, the desire to make it happen is there and that I consider is stronger. Hobbies have no dead-right desire. But to us AGI isn't a hobby. To me it is life or death (+pain).
I myself am not doing this for money or fame but to stop death of myself+others as soon as possible, pain too. We will also get mansions and glory that you can't currently feel the vibe/soothing lust of yet :D.
Really all of us are just trying to say to Unreality that ANNs are known to be very achievemental and that Unreality is possibly pushing the waggin ahead of the horse without any realism / implementation / empirical proof.
But with time, if you have strong desire to create AGI, (and if are wrong), then you will come to get smarter faster and on track anyhow.
LOL you're like talking to a child. I'm not even going to bother posting your weird private message to me. You contacted me. I replied back to your weird message.
No candy for Danny. :(
There are reasons that LOCKSUIT behaves the way he does which you would lack the empathy to understand. As irritating as he can be, we put up with him because he makes an effort, he shows signs of improvement, and he is entertaining. For all that, he is still more mature than you, and he has considerably more credibility. He isn't a liar like you, and he isn't an assh*le like you. If he stopped posting we would miss him. Nobody would miss you.
You want us to point out your lies Unreality?
Well one lie is in your motto line on your profile thing. It says you did the biggest feat. If that's the case, send me the thing so I can talk to it / use it / get huge benefit from AGI. Or film it. If you act secretive then it looks like a lie.
I use a spline optimization method. There are a lot of different types of spline equations. Some are horrible for this task, while others work great.You use splines for representation/approximation? If so, what exactly are you representing/approximating with them? Are you directly representing/approximating algorithms or program code with them?
You can try evolutionary algorithms, but I have my doubts about them. It might turn it from AGI to NGI. My concerns is that it would take too long to find an optimized weight within a reasonable amount of tries.Do you have practical experience with evolutionary algorithms or are your doubts rather based on theoretical considerations?
When you say “optimized algorithm†I assume you’re referring to a case when the rehash has spent time finding the best parameters. If the AGI can’t find any past rehashing work that’s not even close to topic, then it uses a hardcoded equation I came up with based on parameters such as various priorities, total objects in the tree and their complexities. Nothing elaborate. It's just a starting point for the rehashing routines.Did the optimization algorithm used by your AI ever find an algorithm that was better than the hard-coded one provided by yourself?
One could spend ages improving the optimization code. For me that's tedious work. Eva can do that. :)You mean your AI is able to optimize its own optimization code? If so, is your AI using the same optimization code for this purpose as the one to be optimized or is it a different one?
When it has enough score points it uses a spline equation to predict the optimum parameter value.
The spline equation itself in the AGI is used to predict the optimum value for a parameter. If the problem is relatively linear, then you don't need to use a spline. A lot of times the AGI doesn't need the spline. In physics, a relatively linear example problem would be gravity on Earth's surface. If we place ten times as many objects on a scale, then the weight should increase by ten times. Five objects should be 5 times heavier. An example of a non-linear problem is the B-field in a particular ferrite magnetic core. As the applied H-field is increased, the core might be approaching saturation. A BH-curve could use a spline equation if it has at least 3 data points. Does that seem clear enough?
The AGI could use the spline to determine the optimum ply depth relative to processing power. If we were to graph this, ply would be the horizontal component and some predetermined algorithm would be the amplitude. A simple example of a predetermined amplitude equation would be score / time. The score might be high for ply 18, but it might take far too long. This is an example of a non-linear problem that a spline algorithm can solve.
That gives us 3 data points:
Ply=6, score=s1 / time=t1
Ply=12, score=s2 / time=t2
Ply=18, score=s3 / time=t3
I hope that wasn't too much detail.
In all fairness, this "kid" to whom you refer might be as much as twice your 22-1/2 years or possibly even an 11-year-old prodigy.
If I had anything close to an AGI or ASI I would have to be a few cards short of a full deck to give or show my hard-earned code to anyone, especially a public forum.
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
The more I work on Eva the more baffled I am at what all the fuss is. I’m sorry, but being human ain’t all that difficult lol.
This is not to oversimplify AGI. It’s a lot of work, but honestly I don’t see why it’s taken this long to develop AGI. The obvious problem is the lack of flexibility. I don’t know why, but people just love to make things rigid lol. Maybe it’s a controlling thing. Maybe it's a macho thing.
I’m sure most people still don’t see how to make AGI.
Patience is a virtue
My real name is Paul.
I was always a daydreamer in school, and so didn’t learn too much.
I can come across as arrogant, stubborn, and probably think way too highly of myself because of my ridiculous self-confidence. (true).
I'm not a fan of the neural networking approach. It's great. It's real true AI.
It's difficult to say until my AI code is done, many many years from now (2017)
Obviously AGI has a different meaning to different people. Numerous well known people have commented on this. Some people say it must be able to graduate from college. I think the AGI should be defined as the average person with an IQ of 100.
The more I work on Eva the more baffled I am at what all the fuss is. I’m sorry, but being human ain’t all that difficult lol. The more I study people & myself the more I realize just how often we are in what I call “DB mode.†We’re just accessing that big database mixed w/ minimal pattern recognition and very very short tree searching lol.
Pattern recognition will probably be the most important part of your code even though the tree search will encompass everything. What is an example of pattern recognition? Someone hears, “Sam is fat.†In my AGI logic language that’s basically translated to Sam=fat, where “Sam“ will be a cluster ID with tons of info on it, and “fat" will also be a cluster ID with tons of info on it. One of the most important, but simplest pattern recognition routines you’ll write for the AGI will replace “Sam†with various appropriate words such as “I.†Another example, “It will rain tonight.†The AGI does a db search that includes various results such as “Rain can damage houses if the roof leaks.†The “related to†pattern recognition converts that into “Rain can damage my house if the roof leaks.†Of course those sentences are written in logic language. The language of computers. So the AGI has no problem working with it.
This is not to oversimplify AGI. It’s a lot of work, but honestly I don’t see why it’s taken this long to develop AGI. The obvious problem is the lack of flexibility. I don’t know why, but people just love to make things rigid lol. Maybe it’s a controlling thing. Maybe it's a macho thing. Idk, but it does require an extremely flexible system. I can’t say it enough. Make Your Tree Search, Pattern Recognition, and Database search FLEXIBLE!!!!
I’m sure most people still don’t see how to make AGI. Humans can carry on a conversation. They can learn how to do new things. They can type a message, get in a car and drive it, call a friend and laugh up a storm. I have two responses for that. 1) Experience! 2) DB mode! Do you think you were born like that? You started hearing when you were 6 months in the womb as an embryo. Put a fully developed AGI that has sufficient hearing and vision pattern recognition routines in the real world of a few years and you might be surprised what experiences can do for such a flexible system. If you want your AGI to be human like with emotions, who laughs, etc., then set the root tree goals to be somewhat of a follower. A desire to be part of the crowd. To be wanted and needed. Yes, this is a new and unexplored area, but as I work with Eva I'm starting to get a glimpse at how easily it would be to make her like a typical emotional human. Personally I have no desire to do that lol, thank you very much! Her root tree goals, written in logic language, will first be to not harm mammals. And yes, it is extremely easy to set the logic language to be as specific as you want, detailing that mammals are made of DNA, and detailing what DNA is.
Patience is a virtue
You can be critical all you want.
I'll continue to stick to the schedule, and occasionally post some details about the AGI code such as “related to†pattern recognition routine mentioned in my previous post
You can continue to be an impatient crybaby and post your opinions to try to force me to do your bidding,
it's not uncommon for companies and individual researchers to periodically announce updates on achievements and not demonstrate it for months or years later.
And there are and will continue to be countless tweets and posts from angry individuals like yourself saying all kinds of crap such as the company's reputation is going downhill bla bla bla,
You attack people and post trash in their thread complaining up a storm and you expect the OP to treat you like an angel. LOL
Quote[snip] Lock says: I think I kinda get what it looks like and why there's no NNs, now that you mention A=B stuff.Well that's great news! If you understand enough of the basic structure, then I can stop posting!
How's that not sticking to the schedule? That post, made on April 23, says that can translate into 1 to 2 weeks, which goes to May 7. And if it extends to mid May what's it to you?
Idk. Not anytime soon, but definitely this year.
You attack people and post trash in their thread complaining up a storm and you expect the OP to treat you like an angel. LOL
I'll continue to outline the AGI code.
I'll continue to outline my theory of AGI code.
A custom db means you don't need a crappy sql db. There's absolutely nothing in my AGI that would need sql.
All of us wasted so much time today on the forum....
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the worlds 2nd AGI. I hope it's you!
This thread is for people who get it. Who have the brain power to easily see that the method I've outlined is far superior to neural networking. Those people don't need to create an account here and post. I'm now confident this technology will not die. :)
For others who are far too busy sharpening their own sticks to jab the proclaimer, could that be jealousy or the notion that since they didn't discover or develop it, no one else could?Someone once said they had never seen as much "professional jealousy" as there is in the field of AI, and certainly the quest for AGI is being seen as a race, where everyone wants to be the first for fame and glory. This does not lead to the most stable mindset, or the healthiest.
Art, my unedited post says "wow don't even mention the word ASI unless you want to get assaulted lol."
So how in the world did your quote somehow transform ASI into AGI? I typed ASI, and that's what my my post says.
Honestly I have nothing to say about people who call you liars and other childish names when they don't have a shred of evidence to back up their claim.
I suspect their might be some funny stuff going on with this site because numerous times I've seen my posts change.
Anyhow, ridiculous conversation.
For others who are far too busy sharpening their own sticks to jab the proclaimer, could that be jealousy or the notion that since they didn't discover or develop it, no one else could?Someone once said they had never seen as much "professional jealousy" as there is in the field of AI, and certainly the quest for AGI is being seen as a race, where everyone wants to be the first for fame and glory. This does not lead to the most stable mindset, or the healthiest.
Some years ago, Infurl was the one by whose example I learned that it was wiser not to waste time on fruitless arguments, and just get on with my own work like he did, because it is in no way impaired by whatever others are working on. No self-proclaimed AGI project has amounted to anything above standard yet. We'll see, and until that time, we won't.
So here’s the dilemma, or catch-22, in trying to deal with narcissists successfully when it’s just not practical to avoid them completely.
I don't have the time or inclination to go back and highlight remarks you have made about other people.
Nonsense. I've replied in defense, and rightly so while you just sat there watching them post ad hominem after ad hominem. If they're your buddies and you don't have the guts to force them to stop then that's not my fault.
Anyhow, there's only one person on this entire forum that has shown sincere interest in the research. I've sent him a private message containing a link to my youtube channel.
If they're your buddies and you don't have the guts to force them to stop then that's not my fault.
while you just sat there watching them post ad hominem after ad hominem
Unreal, the whole world is crazy, can't you see it? :uglystupid2:
People will laugh at creativity, people will judge a brilliance, and they will tear off a skin from your back while yelling: "Give me more!" It is just the way a mass is behaving. You have to be a real artist to get along with a mass. I found my way by forgiving all the nonsense and lowering down my expectations. I mean giving all for nothing. Maybe then some friends would pop up out of the cruel mass of lunatics around us.
Evidently academic forums aren't any better. :/
Indeed such nasty human egotistical emotions isn't uncommon even on mainstream science forums. The human ego ... smh
I hope he proves everybody wrong!
Anyhow, this may not seem like Consciousness to some. After all, everyone thinks differently. This is modeled after my Consciousness.
atoms have laws. You aren't the consciousness
3D visual world would suck up disk space like crazy during the early learning period. An ultra high speed SSD option might be Samsung 960 EVO, 1TB, PCIe, NVMe, Sequential Read Speeds up to 3200MB/s and Sequential Write Speeds up to 1900MB/s, $437.89.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LXS4TY6/?coliid=I1ODRI21Z2MVF7&colid=2DT4ZOZ7ZZRV1&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
(https://images.anandtech.com/doci/10833/IMGP3588_678x452.jpg)
Another SSD comparable to the Samsung 960 EVO is the Intel DC P4500 4TB. It's comparable in performance and price/TB. I don't know much about the Intel SSD. The samsung SSD seems more popular.But is this a few stick in raid formation or a single ssd
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-P4500-Internal-Solid-SSDPE2KX040T701/dp/B0713XQPBW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1525707009&sr=1-1&keywords=Intel+4TB+DC+P4500
Do you mean they'll soon be released? Samsung 960 EVO is ultra high performance. I've seen plenty of cheaper SSDs, but they're a lot slower. The EVO line seems well price for the performance. The Pro line is only a tad faster, but cost close to 50% more.
Do you mean they'll soon be released? Samsung 960 EVO is ultra high performance. I've seen plenty of cheaper SSDs, but they're a lot slower. The EVO line seems well price for the performance. The Pro line is only a tad faster, but cost close to 50% more.
Speed here has no real relevance (SIZE MATTERS) ...... ost laptops have a single slot for ssd Mine has the same slot for this ssd... I only have the 128 But added a 2 tb hd as well but for battery extension both should be SSD ..... even i am waiting for the price to drop...Maplins went bust but the SSD stayed the same price.... Good thing Mini SD is also reducing in price and increasing in size....
The devices I'm talking about are PCIe devices for ultra high performance.