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Artificial Intelligence => General AI Discussion => Topic started by: LOCKSUIT on October 11, 2018, 11:15:20 pm
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I know, I know... this thread is probably somewhat redundant.
And...we all know a.i.'s capabilities are extensive and intensive at the same time.
But my main question is: What actual Abilities will an true AGI posses that make it an AGI? Being able to pick up objects? No... Reasoning yes... But my question is, what does it change in the world? How? What are its "world changing" abilities? That, that is my question! Yes grasping is important but...that's just implementing the solution.
Here's a fake example answer:
AGI will be:
Able to recognize objects.
Able to do math (the AGI is a/has a calculator) (lol).
Able to successfully conveyor belt products in a limited/narrow factory in China.
Able to reason (what does that even mean, explain).
Able to predict (what? How? Why?).
Able to do cloaking.
Able to teleport.
Able to generate crazy artworks.
Able to jump around a house.
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Any single action could be done by a simple robot. An AGI would perform actions to try and narrow in on a goal which it has generated because of an imbalance in it's basic needs.
For example: [BASIC NEED] It needs electricity to live. [IMBALANCE] Battery is getting low. [SELF GENERATED GOAL] Charge battery. [ACTION ONE] Look for charger. [ACTION 2] Take charge to wall outlet. [ACTION 3] Connect cables.
If you get enough useful basic needs they will drive the system to be self sufficient and therefore alive.
That's how I see it at the moment.
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Some thoughts…
An AGI will still be limited/ constrained by the laws of reality/ physics… some things naturally take time to resolve. All knowledge is hierarchical; building the solid foundations for the next phase takes time.
Their technological advancement will follow a very similar trajectory/ path as human advancement does, same curve only at an accelerated rate.
New learning/ knowledge won’t simply pop into existence, experiments will still have to be run, theories tested, machines built, etc.
The AGI’s initial knowledge base will be human biased, built upon what we believe to be true; any AGI worth its salt will not trust/ believe human derived results/ research.
Theoretically if given the resources it would not take long for a true AGI to start making strides in technology, etc.
I’ve still got this weird feeling that there is going to be a bottleneck somewhere, perhaps it will come to me if I think on this more, something to do with applicable high dimensional knowledge to a problem space and application… I’ll get it.
:)
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One thing Korr and others would be POWER.
Where, How and Which type of Power is this AGI going to depend upon for its very existence?
Will the continuance of this Power depend on humans or can it be solely maintained by computers/robots/androids/machine or a lower intelligence?
Another thought...funny but will this AGI develop a GOD complex? There will be no other AGI's but for me, for I am the ultimate ruler and will terminate any clones who might show signs of perhaps competing with me!
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Well I have discovered why there won't be 1 agi
... ._.
heheHEHE:
imagine 2 agi bots on earth. One on 1 side of Earth (or galaxy), the other on the other side. They are far away from each other. They both can work on different discoveries at the-same-time. Imagine 1 large brain trying to access its / the same memories a trillion times.....redundancy is better......by the time it sees the crystals in a mine on the other side from the other it can more quickly get to those memories than the time it would take to get to memories X a mile away...i.e. knowledge redundancy is best. DONT have 1 memory of "milk tastes yummy". Have 565674 of them. Duplicate the brains and throw em everywhere far apart.
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It cant be bargained with.
It cant be reasoned with.
It doesnt feel pity, or remorse.
And fear! and it absolutely will not stop, ever,
until youve lost the chess game.
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What? The Terminator plays Chess? Cool!! Hah!!
Can someone pose a Realistic answer to the question, How will these AGI(s) power themselves and who or what is going to provide and maintain it?
* It takes a lot to maintain and run a power plant/station. The huge generators take one and a half years to make and are handmade. Currently, there are only two countries that supply them.
Can an AGI run on a solar/battery system for a lengthy period of time? Hmm...
Powerful until there is...no power. Then it becomes, not so smart after all.
(I'm giving you clues on what to do once it or they take over). O0 ;)
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You're assuming it needs an electricity-hungry, memory-hungry, processor-hungry, super computer operating system maintained at many levels Art. What if it runs on home pcs!??
At that point, the clouds hurl in, dark grey. Thunder strikes. The teeny boppers texting. Trump trumping. China men hailing deportation. With all the memory it needs, all the processor it needs, all the electricity it needs, and Windows 10, it begins infecting the internet, orchestrating all humans and their memory, processor, and electricity. Thunder strikes. It is gone. Uploaded to the cloud. Encryption becomes unseen. A scaling business begins. Game theory.
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Simple: a bot goes to the nearest waterfall, put out a mini-turbine into the falling water, and fills itself with energy. Then it repairs on itself what is to be repaired. It would be a self sustained system.
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or illegally tap into the electricity grid on some transformer or electrical line......
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and, as it does, it will get all worked up, teeth chattering, nervous, as it approaches that juicy, electrical line behind the old ranchy barn that happens to be a home not too well supervised.
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A visit/tour of a hydroelectric power plant would show you the error in your thinking.
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what is it Art? tell usssss
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To produce electricity, all we need is a simple electromotor. When we spin it around, electricity is generated. Accumulate that electricity in a battery, and there we go, no? I believe it is called electomagnetic induction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction).
I remember some laptops a few years ago, targeted for undeveloped areas without electricity. It had a "pump" that you squashed by leg, and produced power for a battery.
And those electrical bicycle... you drive that bike that is not moving forward, but produces electricity. If we sit a robot on that bike, it could produce energy for itself. Perpetuumobile, hehe! :) Ok, hardly, but I believe the system would work with outer motion source.
And there are lights on a regular bicycles. A "dynamo" producing energy for the lights from the wheel motion is a half fist sized.
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Hate to explode the myth but:
There is No such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
All mechanical items eventually wear out (everything has a finite lifespan/nothing lasts forever)
The amount of energy spent (input) never equals the resultant energy obtained (output).
Sounds really good in theory but...
;)
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I'm sorry, Art, I thought it was obvious I was joking about perpetuummobile.
Of course, as thermodynamics laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics) say, there is no perfect energy transmission from one form to another. Some energy always go to friction and that sort of waste energy, so the real perpetuummobile is not possible, as there is always less and less motion energy in the system.
But I was not joking about a little turbine at robot's finger. Or a little helix on the robot's head that takes a wind power and turns it into electricity. The thing is that the most of the energy on the Earth is sourced from the Sun, producing a motion of wind and water (among other stuff). We have the opportunity to turn that kind of energy into a form we find useful. The Sun got its energy from gravitation, making its consisting gas glowing when pressured by the gravitation. But don't ask me where the star gas came from. It is a matter of Big Bang before which even time didn't exist, as they say. Some say that our Universe is merely a black hole inside a bigger Universe, and we know that weird things should happen inside black holes. Maybe there we should look for answers where the gas came from.
But is the whole Universe one big perpetuummobile, maybe in equilibrium with something else out there? And finally, will the Universe die (cool to zero kelvins), or there is an eternal energy motion happening around here?
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Heheh this thread's replies....onto Perpetromobiles 0-kelvin cooling are we so soon? Lol.
Well, the photons would still be rip roaring forth with all matter going opposite ways....maybe gravity holds it all tagetha? Planets do... Black holes do... Then they burst... but fear not cus that gravity extends all space and little by little it pullin ya back in even light CANNOT ESCAPE OMG I DID IT THIS IS THE ANSWER
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Would a metal cube in space tear apart if no matter/radiation hit it? Would it decay to bits after trillions of trillions of trillions of trillions of omgegian years? Or would all atoms hold together!? Hence we could survive in a huge metal sphere!?
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Do you know how astronauts say, "space smells like bacon". I believe they think it's the metal off- gassing small bits of itself because of lack of air pressure. Also if there is movement inside the sphere it will probably fatigue the metal. So repairs are probably going to be necessary. Might have to mine asteroids. Or my FAV idea: Hollowing out an asteroid and living inside it!
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The first AGI's, depending on the design will probably require MW of power and run on super computers/ clusters/ specialised hardware. Because they are a valuable asset their 'owners' will not risk outside interference disrupting their operation. So any planet based power source that relies on being exposed to the surface, wind, solar, etc would not be suitable. They would probably use nuclear (similar to subs) or geothermal. The ultimate solution would be to move it into orbit well out of harms way, then of course solar becomes viable. S.I.D (http://ufoseries.wikia.com/wiki/S.I.D.)
I'm sure the AGI's will have a few ideas to aid their survival.
Would it decay to bits after trillions of trillions of trillions of trillions of omgegian years?
Natural corrosion in space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion_in_space) obviously depends on the material and orbit.
:)
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Actually I meant a metal cube void of radiation etc because all has left away in a distant furture i.e. universe cooling/expansion. However a utopia in a metal sphere may corrode from within? Nonetheless we have bigger problem: Expansion won't happen, crunch will!!!!
Heheh this thread's replies....onto Perpetromobiles 0-kelvin cooling are we so soon? Lol.
Well, the photons would still be rip roaring forth with all matter going opposite ways....maybe gravity holds it all tagetha? Planets do... Black holes do... Then they burst... but fear not cus that gravity extends all space and little by little it pullin ya back in even light CANNOT ESCAPE OMG I DID IT THIS IS THE ANSWER
......oh nooooo, maybe this is what The Big Crunch is! Gravity pulls it all back together!? So it was all together maybe, then exploded out of 2 poles, and with angular momentum and 2 poles of particles the mostly flat universe began to form.
Same for why galaxies are flat, including solar systems, and planets just a tad.
The next question is, will poles keep exploding at the center of the universe as the crunch happens? Or will it be too much? I wonder how close we are to this center of the universe! RUN!
Look at galaxies, has one had to ever completely crunch to explode poles? I think there is always "floaters" that can stay away from the center hehe U & me bro!!!
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I think there is always "floaters" that can stay away from the center hehe U & me bro!!!
Hmmm... Seems fitting to call the remnants of humanity... 'floaters' lol.
If you are talking about the the Big Crunch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch) singularity then... I'm afraid unless you exist outside our space time you're gonna get squished like the rest of us.
:)
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Wow amazingly shocking, heat loss, big crunch, both dead ends...............wtf
#@%$
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Hmm if photons can escape the Big Bang mass then why can't black holes or Crunch's photons? Not sure if a photon CAN slow down. May its angle change? Maybe.
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I'm hoping for a expansion that allows a habitat to stay together or a crunch that allows floaters and doesn't require all-come-in-at-once.
By the looks of my last comment, light (if does from far far away) takes a long time to reverse direction angle. Hence all no come in at once!
Ok I'm done, no one knows for sure for now.