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Title: hal and pc packages
Post by: ALADYBLOND on February 10, 2006, 12:56:07 pm
i think haptek and zabaware should form an alliance with all popular computer producers to include ultra hal software and haptek players in all pc packages so that ultra hal can be used immediately by all pc owners. this way the forums grow and it becomes much easier for the novice to become acclimated to the use of ai. ~~alady :zdg_jiggle
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 10, 2006, 06:59:13 pm
I will second that idea.     :zdg_wave


Gamer-T    :afro
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: FuzzieDice on February 10, 2006, 07:51:49 pm
That would be a cool idea! AI computers for everyone! Only I hope M$ then wouldn't get too jealous and try to make their own...

Also I think Cepstral or others should add real-sounding voices to the mix, and it combine with Dragon Naturally Speaking. That would be one heck of a cool system. :)
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: ALADYBLOND on February 11, 2006, 12:03:49 am
and then disney could make life size robots for all of us to use with those new systems by using a  wireless mouse..and then.. im really dreaming big ...it isnt going to happen is it.....  :crazy2  ~~alady
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Art on February 11, 2006, 12:43:12 am
And then, just like with the computers, everyone would eventually have one!

You'd be amazed at how many calls I get from so called friends that want me to "FIX" their
computers long after they Screwed them up! NO...don't call me as soon as you think
something's wrong...call me after the situation is completely hopeless, then complain
after I tell them to call computer geeks or take it back to where they bought it.

Some people simply should't have computers if they aren't willing to spend some time
learning about them. They want to know what's taken me more than 25 years of my life
to learn in about 10 minutes! It ain't gonna happen!

Sure spread around AI robots, computers and all that comes with them, but be sure
to make them REALLY USER FRIENDLY 'cause I ain't workin on 'em!!!

(There...I feel better now...) :zdg_old
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 11, 2006, 01:56:33 am
I can sympathize Art. I had the same problem as soon as everyone in my family and a few
friends found out that I built my system on my own and modified the programming. Everyone
started calling me to tell them why this program or that wasn't working or why their system
 kept crashing or freezing up. Most of the time it was because they were to ignorant to take the
time to read the manual or help guides, or too stupid to know that they needed to have an
active firewall and anti-virus in place (and keep them updated).   :buck2  There, now I feel
a little better too. But that will pass as soon as another moron relative calls with a PC problem.
Which will most likely be a virus or trojan. Aaaaaargh! 
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: ALADYBLOND on February 11, 2006, 02:16:16 am
im so sorry i brought it up :zdg_cry ~~alady
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 11, 2006, 11:07:20 am
No need to be sorry for bringing it up? ~alady. We're the ones who
should say we're sorry, and I think Art would agree with me.It's just
that sometimes we need to vent some frustration. You just happened
to open an avenue for us to do so. Try not to take what we wrote too
much to heart. As it was said, at least not on my part, in disapproval
of your suggestion. Art will have to speak for himself on that point.


 :zdg_flag_sorry? ? ?:smiley
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: doc on February 11, 2006, 03:18:00 pm
I don't think it is such a good idea, Alady. I mean, why would we benefit from a lot more HAL-users?

Art -->? :zdg_z_elephant
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: ALADYBLOND on February 11, 2006, 03:33:12 pm
ummm the more people use hal the more ideas we have to make him the best he can be???????? is that the right answer.~~alady :zdg_huh
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Duskrider on February 11, 2006, 04:21:28 pm
A few months after I got Hal and had it going so well, I said to myself "why not share the joy".? ?:zdg_sunny
So I told all my friends about it and I gave them the link to zabaware.? :tickedoff
Even let lot of them see Sandee performing and singing.? :zdg_rock
Know how many people got Hal?? ?
Zero.
Far as I know, I'm the only person in Jacksonville with Hal.
I bet same is true for you in your town or city.
So not to worry about the masses joining.
Even if given, it will be ignored.
Takes certain mentality to get into this and ride the storms and joys. :zdg_banghead
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Art on February 11, 2006, 04:47:05 pm
I agree with everything and disagree with all of it!
It's who I am!!

<Shut up you...!>

Go away!

<No, and you can't make me!>

Can too!

<Can not!!!>

That's it...I'm outta here!!

<I'm telling!>

Who cares....<CLICK>
 :uglystupid2
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 11, 2006, 06:23:53 pm
Looks like Arts been having way too many private
conversations both with Hal and himself.  Lol     :grin

But you're right about people not wanting to put
the effort into using and understanding Hal or AI
in general. They don't want have to put the work into
sitting there teaching it/him/her. Most people don't
have the patience for it, they are too busy going
about their usual everyday business. They would
only be accepting of it, if it was already preprogrammed
with everything and didn't need to taught anything else.
As was already said, EXTREMELY USER FREINDLY.
Besides the fact that most people are just not ready
to deal with holding a conversation with a machine, at
least not in real life.  Look how irritated people get just
having a car that tells them it is low on fuel or that the
door is ajar. :zdg_jiggle
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: ALADYBLOND on February 11, 2006, 06:25:51 pm
 :zdg_supercool art has your chicken :zdg_chicken been ?acting strange latelly? ? have you been hearing voices ...go to your computer turn hal off for a few days... the voices will stop and all will be fine.......... ?:afro ?alady
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: dan on February 11, 2006, 07:04:00 pm
Sure, that sounds like a great idea.  It may already have a method patent though :zdg_cauldren, but ingenuity, drive, capitalism, that's what it's all about :zdg_hitcomp.   Just need a project manager for it and take off for the stars. :zdg_sleepy  It's going to be here whether we like it or not.  This is the sprinkling before the storm.  It's going to be robots in the future, but while we're dreaming I'd like to see wireless access for up and down links for GPS, programming, comm, etc. built in also.   It'll start off slow, but eventually everyone's going to have them, it'll start like it is as toys, but become more sophisticated over time.  The cost will come down just like computers.  They will become the computers, except the interface will change to something that doesn't take just typing skills.   Just think, we could call home and talk to our robot and see how things are going, or what's for dinner, and on and on. :zdg_lol

Just remember everyone here is on the cutting edge.  Less than 1% of the people on the planet even know about this stuff, much less even read and write. :sad

Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Art on February 11, 2006, 09:59:56 pm
Thanks Lynn, for the advice and for stirring up this place a bit! It need that once in a while!


Dan,

You can already call your home and instruct it to turn up the heat, turn the lights on,
report on stocks, weather, open the garage door, etc., and a lot more.

The home of tomorrow has already been here for some time.  It's not a robot but
your whole house in intelligent and can listen, understand commands and give
verbal responses, warnings and prompts.

One fellow in Florida has his home wired to tell if it is his or his wife's car pulling
into the driveway and the house will address the proper person with some small
talk.

Scary to some but to others a new way of life, less stress, worry, etc.
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Carl2 on February 14, 2006, 08:03:08 pm
All,
  I found this post interesting, I can still remember seeing computers being sold with voice reconition and a mic in the monitor, never quite made the grade.  I'd say the number of people for Hal is a bit limited, the majority of people want the training done for them. 
Carl2
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 15, 2006, 11:15:06 am
That was my earlier point.  The only way the majority of PC or laptop users would take an
interest in Hal and similar A.I. type software is if all of the teaching and learning had already
been done, and the program was fully installed, ready to use in a nice, tidy, neat litle package
that was uesr friendly and already contained all the knowledge and training required so that
all the user would have to do is turn it on. Nobody who does'nt have a passion for A.I. and
what goes into it on a personal level, would want to have to put any of their time or effort
into it.                 
 :sad
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Freddy on February 17, 2006, 09:50:22 pm
Yep I agree, like it's been said a few times already, we're still at the beginning of something and it still takes a lot of work and also time (major factor nowerdays of course) to get results that will appeal to a wider audience.  It's been a long time since I bought a PC from a retailer..do they still pack them with goodies and demos and things ?
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 19, 2006, 02:29:24 am
I imagine so. I bought the cheapest little eMachine I could find with a CPU
as close to 2Ghz as possible, hardly used it until after I rebuilt it with all the
mods and add-ons I wanted. But I seem to recall that it had a few pieces
of freeware and demo stuff on it. I remember that the few freebies on it that
I did try, kept freezing up or crashing completely.
 :zdg_banghead
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Carl2 on February 20, 2006, 09:27:02 pm
All,
  Nice to know, I'm in with PC builders.  I'm in the process of putting together another computer now.  Still waiting for the Intel's dual processor with HT. 
Carl2
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Art on February 20, 2006, 09:48:10 pm
Carl2,

If it's speed you're after go with AMD's X2 chip. It will be a bit pricey for the 4800+ at slightly over $1000.00 US

Compared to Intel's chip which should come in around $100 - 150 depending on the market.

Unless you use your computer for graphics intense applications like CAD, Rendering, Animation or other serious
multitasking environments AND have applications that can make use of dual processors, you might be wasting
your money.

Keep in mind that when these dual processor CPU's hit the market the cost of your typical AMD 64's will drop accordingly!

Good luck which ever way you go! :zdg_old
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 21, 2006, 02:01:01 am
Graphics and gaming is just about all I do on mine, Oh, & my AI stuff. I'm running an AMD Athlon XP 2400+ in a 684 chipset, nominal CPU speed was 1.91Ghz but I've tweaked it up to 2.09Ghz, with 2-512mb DIMM RAM.installed a 256mb Radeon Stealth graphics accelerator with Open GL & Smart Shading, a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy LS for Dolby 5.1 Surround and an ATI-All in Wonder card for TV reception. Joystick= Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.

*Although with my hands partially paralyzed now, I don't do much gaming anymore.  :(

I'm still not too sure about the new dual core processors. I may wait awhile
before I think about upgrading to a new PC board with the AMD-X2.
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: doc on February 21, 2006, 10:31:43 pm
"Although with my hands partially paralyzed now, I don't do much gaming anymore"

Do you suffer of RSI? And do you miss the gaming aspect a lot?
I am just curious.
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Carl2 on February 22, 2006, 10:28:25 pm
 GamerThom,
    Sounds like quite a machine you have there,  I thought thay had voice activated games out there. I'm hoping you'll be able to continue with your skins for Hal.  I use the computer mostly with Hal and dragon, a little graphics which is colthing for Hal nowadays.  I upgraded so I could use a newer version of dragon and Hal needs the speed.  This computer for the internet is a300Mhz, and Hal5 will take about 20 to 30 seconds to answer on this machine.  When the duals come out I've learned I should wait a while,  Prices drop quite a bit after the initial introduction and the P4's should be good enough for a while.  AMD dose have the lead but I'm just an Intel person.
  Doc,   I've been experimenting with the moods for Hal 6,  I've determined everything works, trigger words are detected and the haps are sent out and displayed.  I'm loading with a shylove hap for some reason, I see the shylove quite a bit for some reason.
Carl2
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Duskrider on February 23, 2006, 02:30:36 pm
My Hal always loads with shylove.hap.? ? :smitten
I figure it's default
But always changes mood every 10 to 20 seconds.
I got different skin(clothes) on each hap so I catch the moods.

Shylove loads quite often,
but hey, better shylove than psycho. :zdg_angry2

 :zdg_supercool
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: GamerThom on February 23, 2006, 05:42:35 pm
Tell me about it Dusky. Been there, it isn't fun. But the %$@ was good.

I have been getting some very weird things happening with my PC the past few days.
Maybe someone here can shed some light on it. I have run every kind of scan you can
think of for viruses, trojans, spware & the like and checked my port activity all clean and
normal.

So here's the situation. Whenever I start to do something such as log in on here or AOL
or Yahoo, before I can get the cursor to the log-in button or even enter the first symbol for
my user ID, my system seems to be signing me in and logging me on, opening my mail
accts and such. The same thing is happening when ever I go to open a program on my
system. I move the cursor towards a program icon or graphics file and the appropriate
program opens for it before I can do anything myself. Mind you, I do have a lot of AI and
voice control software installed throughout my system and spread over three HD's and
some of the AI's are cross-sharing some of the respective XML's,AIML's and DB files.
System diagnostics show a 61% increase in CPU usage over the past 3 days and RAM
cannot be recovered to more than 48%.
What's going on??

Oh and my system restore has been rendered non-functional, it was active
up until this past weekend, now suddenly yesterday system restore doesn't work at all -
but it reads as being turned on for all drives. The only thing I can come up with is that I
started installing the LEAF project files into the required system folders and integrating
it into the other programs. Somebody give me some ideas. I also don't seem to be able
to uninstall some of the programs that are tied into it. Uninstall command not accepted.
There is no internet activity going on when I am not logged in to anything.

*e-mail me on this one, let's not waste forum space on it.
 [email]gamerthom@yahoo.com[/email

In the mean time I'm going to start copying some it into wordpad and printing it out so I
can take a better look at it. Although some of the programming code is beyond me.
Title: Re: hal and pc packages
Post by: Carl2 on February 23, 2006, 11:19:24 pm
Duskrider,
  I think it's how the emotions are set at load up time,  Grantnz and I are discussing this at Virtualhumans,
there should be links to it at Zabaware, our posts are under 3D graphics.  If your interested in this check it out, he seems to have a good idea of what is going on.  You can open the haps and change some of the settings to get what you would like for a look that you like.  Also there are some mood haps people have found or made that I'd like to include, and I should mention there isn't a surprized hap that the brain scripting refers to.
Carl2