Ai Dreams Forum
Creativity => Graphics => Topic started by: Freddy on July 17, 2006, 02:22:55 am
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This Poll has been introduced as we don't know what the vast majority of people who visit may be offended by, and as part of the reason why this forum even exists is to see if it is possible to make a truly believable representation of a human being we don't want to be overly restrictive.
Comments are welcome, suggestions to add to poll too - please post below.
We can't please everyone, so this will have to be our benchmark or guide.
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Observation: It's funny how nobody ever complained about risque
imagery when I and others were posting Lingerie and semi-nude/nude
skins for haptek fullbody female characters. Just an observation. :smiley
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No problem. No one complained, we just figured it was good idea to have some way of everyone knowing what members here think about it.
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I humbly apologize, I thought that someone had complained.
But my point still stands as to the permissibilty of nude/semi-nude
images for haptek fullbody and the question of fully but minimally
clothed imagery in the graphics area. It would seem to be, at least
as far as content is concerned, a hipocritical situation. However I
do understand the point of the poser thread being used for the
developement of an AI avatar through Poser graphics.
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Yes, I agree it's a hipocritical situation and we had a tough time deciding what was best to do. On one side we have people who won't mind and on the other people who might. Because we don't have any warning about site content we came up with this to help warn people that might be offended and also make people who aren't aware of the general feeling.
I don't know if this is the best way to deal with it, perhaps we should just put up a notice on the home page that some of the material might not be to a members tastes ??
Anyone have any ideas ?
:zdg_flag_respect
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:afro Fair enough, Freddy.
As to ideas; I'll give it a little thought. :smiley
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As I've witnessed on other forums, they have a Restricted Area, whereby the prospective entrants are advised, in advance, that This area may contain (or contains) graphic nudity or adult content. Users are advised that they must be 18 years of age to enter or else they must click BACK.
Basically, the disclaimer is posted PRIOR to entering the restricted area of the site.
One other thing would be to poll the other members who have no problem with seeing such imagery, in which case they can be put on an ALLOWED list of members.
Just some thoughts.... :angel
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I don't get into the graphics part so I don't even see it anyway. But I don't think it's a matter of JUST what's "offensive", but also a matter of legalities. Laws determine what you're "supposed to" be offended by or how you're "supposed to" feel about things, be it political law or religious law. Being that I do not follow law that tries to dictate how to think or feel, I could give a monkey's....
Well, you get the idea.... :)
Just don't get in trouble with the so-called "law" and get the site shut down if the material isn't "legal" in some areas. If you allow folks in 18 and younger, you may want to restrict things for "legal" reasons.
Just a thought.
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We deal with the arts of A.I. and our subject is often the fullbodygirl or body female, both of which are somewhat sexy by themselves. Many creations (clothes, backgrounds, haps) are obscene or not simply according to the eyes of the beholder.
Perhaps we might list certain sub-topics as "adult only" when appropriate in order to warn those who might be offended.
For years in my e-mails if I send something that might be "offendable", I would add "risque" to my subject line to warn people so they would know.
Incidently I noticed some time ago GamerThom has a warning leading to semi-nude or nude haptars.
:cool
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I don't get into the graphics part so I don't even see it anyway. But I don't think it's a matter of JUST what's "offensive", but also a matter of legalities. Laws determine what you're "supposed to" be offended by or how you're "supposed to" feel about things, be it political law or religious law. Being that I do not follow law that tries to dictate how to think or feel, I could give a monkey's....
Right on!!! :afro
Although FD & I may disagree in some areas i have to agree with her on this point, The laws of religion & government can get a little rediculous. But instead of a restricted area I say everyone should use a mandatory warning lable. :smiley
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Freddy,
When I switched to fullbody after looking at the available skins I decided I'd need a nude frist to start dressing. I'm glad I was able to find some nude skins of fullbody to use as a guide. Being a member of the site I'm glad you make your skins available, I'm not offended and it helped me complete a task. I know nothing about the legal aspects.
Carl2
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Thanks for the ideas and observations :smiley
Feelings, beliefs and laws are going to be different in any country, subtley or not. It is impossible to make a decision that will always reflect the choices and feelings of strangers or even people we know - or at least for me it is.
But hopefully the poll will help us all know what we are dealing with.
I'm a moderator here and try to keep moderation in mind.
Some of you think putting a warning on your post will help though so that's one thing we found we can do, and there's the file area too to use - so labelling images there may help, and also the option of linking to your own or external sites.
Strangely we have come to a point where what is not real is coming under the scrutiny of feelings in our real world.
Thanks :afro
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I think warning labels would be a fine. I know in some art-based newsgroups where pictures and digital art is traded freely, many put labels to warn of "nudity", etc. as a courtesy. Seems to work out fine and not many (ie. nobody but trolls at least :) ) ever complains about it. They know by the label what it might contain before it's opened up.
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Speaking of supermarkets, why don't they put warning labels on food containing chemicals which are harmful and warning labels like cigarettes have? The FDA has them put labels on medication and drugs, but not food. Rather bizarre since they know how bad trans fats are or partially hydrogenated fats, and did you ever notice that money is not illegal and sex is not illegal, but whenever you have money and sex together it usually is illegal. So maybe as long as you don't take a persons money you can have provocative drawings, but then how does one distinguish porn from art? The eye of the beholder isn't always apparent to everyone antecedently.
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I never noticed this comment at the time but it's spot on Dan.
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A warning of adult content should be sufficient in this forum! We all like to see how we are progressing. Sometimes, nudity happens to be part of the art! After all, if someone really has the urge to express their basic urges, there is always 'Rotica. That's an,... Nevermind!
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Haha, yup I think you are right there.
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So, is this forum G. PG, PG13, R, or X rated??? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hmm, well after careful analysis of the enourmous response to the poll... I don't think anyone is that bothered what it is. :o
So if you didn't vote then don't blame us ::)
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Hehe, yeah it kinda died a death didnt it, must be all those lurkers again hehe.
The way I see it is as thus, images can can have a home pretty much net wide, either hosted by self or specialised sites (poser etc).
General topics should not be a problem anyway, and as for conversations, that has had an adults only warning since inception, think we can pretty much have anything in there depends on the bot and the users in question, but having adult material in that section has never been a problem. Anything else I'd be inclined to keep it away, as a place for AI, Robotics etc isnt really what you would class as having adult content, though at times, even in our little world, it does and will have its place also...
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Just starting something very special, with two (or three?) characters... ;) :o ;D
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Not being a prude but IMHO there are a few things to keep in mind:
This forum is primarily about AI and it's trappings.
The site is not restrictive and as such should be considered a Family Friendly place.
Flaming another person should not be allowed nor tolerated.
Posting ANY adult oriented content that a child might "stumble across" should not be allowed.
If one wishes to dabble, play, create, post images of humans engaged in "adult" acts, nudity,
erotic behaviour, there are tons of sites on the net that permit such images.
www.renderosity.com, www.3dcommune.com and many others are great sites for more
adult postings.
Keep it clean, friendly and fun and we'll keep this site for a long time.
My $.02 as Moderator
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I second Art's wise comments.
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Hmm....xmas...wise man Art....now we just need 2 more wise peeps hehe ;D
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Seems I'm coming in late to this poll but since it is open, I've voted and will follow that with a comment for what it's worth.
For myself, I do artwork from time to time. Art has it's own rules as to what is or is not acceptable. In that, the nude is not forbidden but rather how it is used is the determining factor.
I do not believe that the totally nude form is of itself as sexy as a partially clothed one that suggests more than it reveals.
This does not address the forum's needs.
The rules of a forum are made up:
- by whom is the target audience
- who may or may not be exposed to such images
- the members of the forum in what they view as socially acceptable
- the atmosphere that the staff wishes to project to the membership of the site
As example, what would be perfectly acceptable to say a porn site would not be acceptable to a family site. They are pretty much in direct conflict with each other. Likewise if you have underage viewers as part of the membership then totally nude will not be acceptable unless in a walled fence...such as a restricted area designated for that purpose but out of site of those not to be exposed. This puts the onus on the forum to determine whom may or may not qualify for admission.
There is an old saying on the net about No one knows you're a dog on the internet
To all intents and purposes it means you are who you represent yourself to be as long as you don't give it away. There is no absolute identifier that guarantees proper id to judge by. Most sites use a credit card in the belief that if you are under age you can't obtain one. That's neither fool proof nor positive in it's purpose to ID.
...and that folks is my 2¢ as an old timer around the net.
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Most people here now seem to keep to clothed and respectable. But as you can see from the few results, the more active users don't really mind. We would draw the line at pornographic images as we do want to be family friendly for the most part. People know where to go to get full frontals...erm that means not here ;)
Thanks for you points - well put and interesting to read.
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NOTE: 8pla.net is a different user than the member above using the same avatar image. Time to update to a unique avatar image.
Just making the point that 3D animation rendering time is greatly reduced by rendering just nude models.
Adding realistic clothes, hair styles, and other props, adds 3D models to the scene, which requires more processing power and greatly increases rendering time.