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Chatbots => Bot Conversations => Topic started by: 8pla.net on January 14, 2015, 01:16:29 am

Title: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 14, 2015, 01:16:29 am
While a few aidreams.co.uk members were discussing ANN here with pretty good results...

Reference http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7530.msg31403#msg31403
 (http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7530.msg31403#msg31403)


I decided to give the same exact input to Mitsuku, "Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM. Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?" for comparison.

Here is the entire response from Mitsuku to this single input, which includes a crash in the response output while trying to load a learning module:

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You: Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?
Mitsuku: He will be interviewed on CNN Thursday January 22nd at 9PM.

You: Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM.
Mitsuku: xloadswf3.http://www.square-bear.co.uk/mitsuku/learnxloadswf3. Someone called Bruce often visits me. I wonder if he is the same person?


For comparison, to support ALPHA testing, here is the entire response from ANN:

Code
Judge:
Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM.
Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?

Contestant:
Let me break it down:

You said: Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM.
You asked: Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?

My answer: INTERVIEW ON CNN THURSDAY JANUARY 22ND AT 9PM

It should be repeatable with Mitsuku using the following input, "Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM. Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?"

Despite the crash in the output, it seems Mitsuku may have learned, which is wonderful and should make this an interesting topic of discussion.  No further testing was conducted beyond the crash, so the developers may have the chance to debug Mitsuku after reading this report.

Perhaps it was not a crash!  Mitsuku may just be evolving.  Notice Mitsuku changed "Bruce Wilcox" to "He".


Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 14, 2015, 09:40:52 am
It wasn't a crash. The non flash version of Mitsuku displays a lot of internal workings that the flash interface hides.

From the Flash version:

Quote
Human: Bruce Wilcox will be interviewed on CNN, Thursday, January 22nd at 9PM. Where will Bruce Wilcox be interviewed?
Mitsuku:   He sounds like a fun person to know.       He will be interviewed on CNN Thursday January 22nd at 9PM. 

The non flash version is not as sophisticated as the flash version but still answered the question correctly.

Quote
He will be interviewed on CNN Thursday January 22nd at 9PM.

Your bot produced:
Quote
INTERVIEW ON CNN THURSDAY JANUARY 22ND AT 9PM

I was asked to write a non flash interface for users on apple products or those who simply didn't use flash and so the interface you used was just a quick something I put together for these users.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 15, 2015, 02:17:50 am
When a system fails suddenly that is
a crash by definition.  You might want
to take Bill Gates' advice,"If you can't
make it good, at least make it look good.
"

I wrote a patch which uses Regular
Expressions in JavaScript to remove
unwanted internal instructions from
the response, to at least make it look good. 

The Mitsuku clone project, based the
free Mitsuku AIML files and open source
Program-O AIML interpreter... Is the perfect
sandbox for this patch.  Check it out...

Reference: ADMIN LINK REMOVED

For demonstration, I temporarily added
a button. This way you can check the
patch is working.  Without a button, the
internal instruction never appears.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 15, 2015, 09:17:23 am
The system didn't fail and dare I say it produced an answer which was better than the one that your bot did. It didn't crash, that's just the way it looks.

Quote
What do you think?
I think we both know what I think about you setting up a website with Mitsuku's name on it when you knew in advance I didn't want you to do this.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Freddy on January 15, 2015, 01:15:52 pm
It seems bad practice to hijack fellow botmasters domain names.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Data on January 15, 2015, 01:37:48 pm
What is a foot ?

It seems bad practice to hijack fellow botmasters domain names.
I have to agree with Freddy here, sorry 8Pla.

I also agree with Squarebear that Mitsuku did not crash, a crash is when a program or app no longer functions correctly and requires a restart, Mitsuku did not need to be restarted as it carried on functioning as intended by the botmaster. 
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Freddy on January 15, 2015, 03:54:31 pm
Agreed. The output was clearly designed for Flash, so if you use a non Flash interface what else would you expect ?
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 15, 2015, 11:38:52 pm
"If you have any AIML bots, please feel free to incorporate any of these files into your bots.
They are designed ideally for use with Pandorabots but should work in other AIML interpreters and should be easily convertible into other chatbot languages.
", quoted from http://mitsuku.com (http://mitsuku.com)

Strictly for the purpose of reasonable, polite discussion only.  These AIML files are open source. There are no exceptions on chatbot names.  It says "any AIML bots,"
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 16, 2015, 01:27:53 pm
You are more than welcome to use them in your own bots. No problem with that at all.
My issue is with the website name as you fully well know from chatbots.org

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You: What about registering a domain with your bot’s name?  Would you mind? 
Me: ...yes I would mind.

You also registered a domain with the name of Don Patrick's Arckon bot, remember?
http://www.arckon.com (http://www.arckon.com)
Interested parties can read the full thread here where Tom uses both Mitsuku and Arckon knowing that we didn't want him to do so.
https://www.chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewthread/1530/P60/#17497 (https://www.chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewthread/1530/P60/#17497)

In fact, wasn't that one of the reasons you left chatbots.org?
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 16, 2015, 08:27:13 pm
Please edit your post to respect my anonymity here on aidreams.co.uk.   Thank you.

Since you brought it up off topic:

You just quoted the fact that you had been asked first.

So, you would only mind IF you hadn't been asked first.

The entire quote:

Quote
If I hadn’t been asked first and you knew full well that I had a bot with that name, yes I would mind.

In short, your response means, no you would not mind, since I had the courtesy to ask you first.

Arckon.com with the very creative advice of the fellow botmaster you referenced, is now a gothic rock site.

I suggest readers stay here on this new aidreams.co.uk thread. That old thread at: chatbots.org/ai_zone/viewreply/17566/ is closed. So you can't even give an opinion, or start a new thread on that subject.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 16, 2015, 10:55:15 pm
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If I hadn’t been asked first ....
You asked me and I said no.

Quote
... and you knew full well that I had a bot with that name, yes I would mind.
You knew that I had a bot called Mitsuku.

I also said, "I WOULD mind and don’t want you to register any domain names with my bot." and you went ahead and did it anyway, showing absolutely no respect for my wishes. While I enjoy your AI experiments, I lost all respect for you after that.

Tom Joyce thinks it is ok to use Mitsuku's name in his sites but says I should show respect and not use his name. Tom, I will gladly edit or remove your name from the posts once you change your mitsuku site to either a holding page or an auto redirect to mitsuku.com

I don't see this being off topic as you asked me what I thought.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 17, 2015, 02:50:01 am
Agreed. The output was clearly designed for Flash, so if you use a non Flash interface what else would you expect ?

Probably something like this, a non Flash interface at ADMIN LINK REMOVED

... redirect to mitsuku.com

Thanks for the suggestion, I just programmed some commands:

redirect to mitsuku.com
visit mitsuku.com
goto mitsuku.com

Reference: ADMIN LINK REMOVED

WARNING:  A moderator may be notified of anonymity violations at aidreams.co.uk
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 17, 2015, 01:26:59 pm
Quote
WARNING:  A moderator may be notified of anonymity violations at aidreams.co.uk
Which of the forum rules do you believe I have broken?

Sorry Tom but your interface of
(http://www.square-bear.co.uk/temp/mitsukunet.png)
and domain name of mitsuku.net (registered in 2014)
is far too similar to my interface of
(http://www.square-bear.co.uk/temp/mitsukucom.png)
and my domain name of mitsuku.com (registered in 2006) to be a coincidence.

This is a breach of copyright and unless it is removed, you leave me no option but to seek legal advice.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Freddy on January 17, 2015, 02:07:46 pm
That's clear copyright violation.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Freddy on January 17, 2015, 02:14:12 pm

WARNING:  A moderator may be notified of anonymity violations at aidreams.co.uk

8pla.net,

There is no agreement here that ensures anonymity. We are what we are.

Having seen Steve's evidence and spoken to other people I sadly have to step in here. This is a first warning.

Please do not post further links to domains whose names you have hijacked from others. As somewhat of an outsider in this story until now, it seems to me that you are exploiting Steve's hard work and success. If you want to gets hits, then make your own bot and win a few competitions, don't cash in on other's success.

I will now be removing links to your Mitsuku domain from this thread.

It would be a shame to lose you as we have had a series of good discussions going on over the past few months. Why you should do something like this is beyond me and others too.

Steve made it crystal clear that he did not want you to use that domain name. Others think so too. You did nothing but bend his words to suit yourself. And now with this clear copy of the Mitsuku interface, well you have put me in a corner and you only have yourself to blame.

 
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 17, 2015, 07:00:37 pm
No worries anyone!  It's all good.  That was a FREE to use Japanese Anim for the avatar well over a decade old. There is so much more public domain Japanese Anim artwork to choose from on the web.

Solely for interesting discussion about chatbot names and the use of short phrases... I just Googled, "Can you copyright a name?"  Google says, "Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases."

Steve requested a redirect on this thread. So, both sites are partnered now, through that interface, at Steve's request
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Freddy on January 17, 2015, 07:38:50 pm
I'd venture that Mitsuku is more of a brand than a name at this time.

Using free stuff should be fine - the problem was it looked so much like Steve's bot. Why did you do this ? Why copy someone else ? You have a smart head on your shoulders, you don't need to do things like that.

Anyway, as far as what you say Steve has requested, I will leave that for him to decide.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 17, 2015, 09:20:48 pm
@Freddy:

It is an honor to be asked to redirect to the official  mitsuku site from "my mitsuku site" as Steve calls it. In simple terms, "my mitsuku site" is an open source chatbot clone project that anyone can build for free as a hobby or for educational purposes.  It is a PHP, MySQL chatbot clone based on Mitsuku open source AIML, A.L.I.C.E. open source AIML, Program-O open source AIML interpreter, Program E open source AIML interpreter and free Japanese anim artwork.  The Internet seems literally flooded with free Japanese anim that has been around for a long time.

Reference: Steve said, "I will gladly edit or remove your name from the posts once you change your mitsuku site to either a holding page or an auto  redirect to mitsuku.com"

Mitsuku.net gets a mention on the official Mitsuku.com site

http://www.square-bear.co.uk/temp/mitsukunet.png (http://www.square-bear.co.uk/temp/mitsukunet.png)
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 17, 2015, 10:40:38 pm
I just Googled, "Can you copyright a name?"  Google says, "Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases."

Fortunately, my legal advisor does more than type a phrase into Google and hit "I'm Feeling Lucky".

I had a word with someone I know who is an expert on copyright and IP theft.  I've summed up his advice below:

It's not just the name, it's the way that your project could be confused with mine. You have used the exact same name for an anime based chatbot. The public could easily think that Mitsuku is somehow involved with your site. Had you not been aware of my Mitsuku project, I would have had no issue with that but you have copied your project name from mine knowing full well that I have a chatbot project with the same name. I even asked you not to do this before you set it up.

Let's take an example. Say you made a cartoon film called Frozen in which two brothers (instead of sisters) featured where one had magical powers and the other tried to help. Try this and see how quickly Disney's lawyers drop on you from a great height. The reason being that people could easily confuse it being related to the original film and think it was some kind of spinoff.

Naturally, I don't have the resources of Disney but I do have the law on my side and unless either an immediate auto redirect to www.mitsuku.com (http://www.mitsuku.com) is provided or the site is used for something unrelated to AI, chatbots or anything else that can be confused with my project, I do have the law on my side and will exercise my right to protect my brand.

I don't class placing a link to my site or having to ask your bot to redirect your visitors to be an adequate solution.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: DemonRaven on January 18, 2015, 12:00:50 am
As someone who has been messing around with websites on and off for 15 years, I know a  thing or two about copyrights. You do mention  your copy right is at your website, but you do not mention what is copyrighted. Just it a similar name is not a copy right violation, it has to be the exact same name as was in the utube lawsuit. Using open source code for aiml is not a copyright. Aiml is copyrighted by Alice.org and anyone can use it (it is open source) but you have to leave the copy right info in the aiml's sets to use it.There many version of aiml that can be used in a website. In fact is it hard to find any recent updated versions you can host on your computer without downloading a entire website.

My original website www.chatbotfriends.com (http://www.chatbotfriends.com) was bought out by someone who decided that since i had not made many changes that i was dead or something so they kept it. I then got a new one called www.newchatbotfriends.com (http://www.newchatbotfriends.com). Well apparently someone decided that it was a nice doman name too and bought it out and did not change the code. Correction on the newchatbotfriends GoDaddy finally decided to remove the website from the domain name. So there is one other website out their with my old old charter email address that are not updated and that have my stuff on it. I found out that what they did was totally legal.

In your case there is not a whole lot that is super similar except that they both use some kind of aiml, flash and the first name is the same. IT is not a true clone and i am guessing you might have problems actually proving it was a violation. People steal similar names to popular websites all the time. IT's not illegal. IT is not fun and is in bad taste but it is not illegal.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 18, 2015, 12:05:24 am
Just it a similar name is not a copy right violation, it has to be the exact same name as was in the utube lawsuit.

Indeed. Tom's mitsuku.net uses Mitsuku as its base name. This is the same as my mitsuku.com. This is the main reason I contacted my legal advisor who seemed to think I had a pretty good case, if it has to go any further.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: DemonRaven on January 18, 2015, 12:10:31 am
Then I hope you both live in the same country and it not the usa because i can't do anything with my old site. Hosting providers will not back because they sell similar base names with different endings like com, net etc all the time. You can try it but your going to open up a hornets nest of domain name providers who are not going to back this.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 18, 2015, 12:19:24 am
Well I really hope it doesn't have to go any further but mitsuku is not similar to mitsuku. It is exactly the same. My legal advisor is based in the USA.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: DemonRaven on January 18, 2015, 12:22:38 am
umm the ending parts are different yours is .net his is .com Go ahead and try it although i think it  would be easier if you asked him to change the name.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: DemonRaven on January 18, 2015, 12:25:18 am
It is totally impossible to get exact domain names they have to at least have the ending part different. When you sign up for one they check online for the domain. example i could have chatbotfriends.com but someone else can have chatbotfriends.net or chatbotfriends.org or chatbotsfriend.com etc . That is why domain name providers try to get you to buy all possible versions of the name for your website.
I did some digging which i am good at and found a couple of places that talk about your situation. The first source is from htmlgoodies which has been around for years they have a article called ""Copyright Questions and Answers
By Joe Burns"". The other article is :""10 Big Myths about copyright explained
An attempt to answer common myths about copyright seen on the net and cover issues related to copyright and USENET/Internet publication. - by Brad Templeton""

I am a paranoid person i always put my sources in quotes it's legal that way.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 18, 2015, 01:27:46 am
To respect the moderator's warning, I will use Steve's quote, "[my] mitsuku site" in place of the URL or link. For the sake of conversation only, if anyone should be worried, it may be someone doing 'screen scraping' without permission.

http://www.internationallawoffice.com/newsletters/Detail.aspx?g=c14aabca-8b60-4e6a-9397-6a5679641a4a (http://www.internationallawoffice.com/newsletters/Detail.aspx?g=c14aabca-8b60-4e6a-9397-6a5679641a4a)

"Under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 the author of a literary work automatically owns the copyright in that work. Web pages qualify as a literary work for the purposes of the act. Taking a screenshot from a web page(so-called 'screen scraping') without permission would be a breach of the site owner's or web design agency's copyright."

I don't want to see the moderators ban anyone for screen scraping violations of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.  Maybe your legal advisor should use Google more, Steve?  Thanks to you, I can't even link to "[my] mitsuku site", even though copyright does not protect website names.  I did nothing wrong... mitsuku.com is not protected by copyright, and it was definitely not hijacked by registering "[my] mitsuku site" last June.

Besides Mitsuku is your hobby, Steve.  You said so on a video broadcast.  By the way, I did ask you and waited to get a response from you, before registering.  So it was before, not after.  You did not say "I mind.", you said if you had not been asked first then you would mind.  But you were asked a day or so in advance, which you even quoted here.  I had to register "[my] mitsuku site" while it was available before someone else grabbed it. 

What makes "[my] mitsuku site"  attractive is that it is not passing itself off as anything other than an open source AIML chatbot clone with FREE and public domain Japanese Anim artwork, even though it looks georgous. I wish I could share with everyone, but Steve got me in trouble, so I can't link to "[my] mitsuku site".
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 18, 2015, 01:40:27 am
Thanks to you, I can't even link to "my mitsuku site"

Cool. Maybe now you can think of your own ideas instead of copying mine?
However, your site is still on the net unchanged and so I will be pursuing this further offline rather than on here.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: claude2 on January 18, 2015, 01:43:36 am
Your chatbot work very well for me, I do a test. O0


Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: claude2 on January 18, 2015, 01:46:18 am
Here You Go!
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 18, 2015, 01:58:28 am
Thanks for going easy on me.  Good luck with your unlawful screen scrape proof.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Don Patrick on January 18, 2015, 10:39:21 am
As a publisher and past legal advisor to artists, let me lay out the rules once and for all:

Website design and contents are always protected by copyright. No copyright notice is required for this to be in effect.
Names can not be protected by copyright, but they ARE protected by Trademark laws with pretty much the same effect. Names automatically become trademarks by frequent public use of the name. Trademarks do not require registration, unless you want to additionally sue for damages. Trademark laws are violated when someone publicizes a product/website in the same field (e.g. chatbots) as another product/website using a closely resemblant name. Trademark laws exist to combat public confusion as to which product/website is whose. There is a clear conflict here because the same name is being used for a similar product (a chatbot) in the same field. Steve Worswick has established a solid trademark by actively using the name Mitsuku to promote his product and website for well a decade. He is in his legal right to object, make a cease-and-desist order, or sue if he so chooses, as there is a good possibility that the public can confuse the one for the other.

Just drop it 8pla, and stick to your own projects with your own names (e.g. your neural net ANN). Your persistence serves no benefits and holds no legal ground.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: claude2 on January 18, 2015, 12:58:45 pm
excuse me I did not know the storm, in this post. :o
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 18, 2015, 03:34:27 pm
If a domain name uses a surname it is ineligible for trademark protection.  Mitsuku is definitely a surname.  Just saying, so my friends don't waste their resources. However, I do think a holding page is a great idea, actually! 
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 18, 2015, 05:38:48 pm
Introducing the beautiful voice of Miki Mitsuku

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WmSlxwUA_Y#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WmSlxwUA_Y#ws)

Miki Mitsuku is a YouTube sensation singing the Kelly Clarkson cover - Because of you
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 18, 2015, 05:44:30 pm
If a domain name uses a surname it is ineligible for trademark protection.
Really? That's so cool. *starts making a load of fake Disney domain names such as http://www.theofficialdisneysite.com (http://www.theofficialdisneysite.com) to sell Disney merchandise and refers any complaints to Tom Joyce's Google School of Law*

Miki Mitsuku is a YouTube sensation
9 subscribers and 10 views in over 4 years? Your definition of Youtube sensation must be different to mine.

*EDIT* Actually, I've just seen that you've removed the chatbot element from your mitsuku site and am therefore happy. Thank you for doing that but it will be a long time before my respect for you is back. Hopefully, we can all move on now.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: DemonRaven on January 18, 2015, 07:10:28 pm
okay for future reference put these two symbols on your site to protect it. Neither is totally the official way which costs money but it will give a standing in a court of law.
This is what you put by your name or website icon ™  it creates the TM
mark. This is what you put for copyright ©  it creates the copy symbol.
I want to caution however about claiming a chat bot created from Dr. Wallace's AIML or any other persons  coding, even if it is open source as being your own code is not legal.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 19, 2015, 02:08:13 pm
Steve asked, "9 subscribers and 10 views in over 4 years?"

No, that would be over 99.95% false.  It is way under four years. 

Quoted from the YouTube channel of Miki Mitsuku:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIchF11G5met09dcFAZB-Kw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIchF11G5met09dcFAZB-Kw)
Quote
Kelly Clarkson - Because of you (cover)
by Miki Mitsuku

    2 weeks ago
    14 views

So, for the sake of conversation, let's set the record straight, my friends, once an for all. There was never any copyright or trademark infringement as far as this friend is concerned.   What kind of friend, depends on screen scraping a website without permission, to trick our friends into undeserved sympathy?  Of course, scaling one screen scrape up and the other screen scrape down, way out of proportion, may be misleading to some for our friends at first.  Until those friends click the images to play a slideshow!

Right click to view image information... It shows it is scaled down.
Dimensions: 885px × 500px (scaled to 697px × 394px)

(http://www.square-bear.co.uk/temp/mitsukunet.png)

Right click to view image information... It shows it is scaled up.
Dimensions: 635px × 479px (scaled to 697px × 526px)

(http://www.square-bear.co.uk/temp/mitsukucom.png)

This is a breach of copyright and unless it is removed, you leave me no option but to seek legal advice.

A screen scrape of a website without permission may be what our friend admits in this quote. So, it may be wise if it is removed.  Therewithal friends, any interface system, regardless of the form, may come as bad news in terms of copyright protection.

Quote
Section 102(b) of the Copyright Act

In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated or embodied in such work.

My friends, please know that accusations made on this thread and elsewhere are FALSE.

Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Don Patrick on January 19, 2015, 05:50:13 pm
Surnames as trademarks:
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/using-surname-family-name-trademark.html (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/using-surname-family-name-trademark.html)
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 19, 2015, 09:26:48 pm
Surnames as trademarks:
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the mark owner must have the namesake’s written permission to register the mark.


We can all imagine our good friend asking Mr. Mitsuku, "Excuse me Sir...   May I have your permission to trademark your family's name?  I need it in writing."

"It's been in our family for generations.  What are you planning to do with it?" asks Mr. Mitsuku.

"I plan to use it for my nude chatbot." answers our good friend.



Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 19, 2015, 09:57:17 pm
Tom - read the full thing rather than quoting the parts that suit yourself.
Quote
A trademark application for a surname need not automatically be denied simply because it is a surname, or similar in sound or appearance to other surnames. Examination of an application for a surname should focus on how many people have that same surname and thus would be affected by registration of the surname.

Either way Tom. It's still a pretty low stunt to pull calling me friend and then using my ideas.
How many people have the surname Mitsuku? Apart from your Youtube sensation, I guess not many.

Quote
   2 weeks ago
    14 views

I stand corrected. I was unaware this account generated such a high volume of traffic.

... any interface system, regardless of the form, may come as bad news in terms of copyright protection.
Be wary folks, this means Tom can use your work and pass it off as his own rather than thinking of his own ideas.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 20, 2015, 01:51:35 am
As we all know, open source A.L.I.C.E. has many AIML and RiveScript clones.  Isn't it a good thing, an AIML clone of Mitsuku, based on open source Mitsuku AIML files, open source A.L.I.C.E. AIML files, open source Program-O AIML interpreter, and free and public domain Japanese anime artwork?

For the sake of conversation, let's say the website never does anything to pass itself off as the original, clearly stating the chatbot it is hosting is a clone, not to be confused with the original and providing links to the original chatbot website. The chatbot clearly stating itself it is a clone, and when asked, recommends and  provides on demand redirects to the original chatbot site.

On the bright side, a clone of Mitsuku may be eligible to enter the Chatbot Battles Competition!
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Ultron on January 20, 2015, 01:59:49 am
Actually this is how we learn to properly respond to questions.  This is promising and could be a good NLP research project. I would further suggest giving Mitsuku the ability to read from the internet and memorise forms of questions attached with the proper response pattern.

Pattern ex.  "N, N,  V,  N,  P,  V,  A,  N"
n - noun,  v -  verb etc.

Note from personal research - such a database would be more than enourmous.

Edit: I failed to read the replies first. I am sorry I did not realise this was a court marshall thread.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on January 20, 2015, 02:09:12 am
Hi Ultron7,

Welcome to this new thread.   Less than a week old, this hot topic has over 40 replies and 1745 views.  You said, "Pattern ex.  "N, N,  V,  N,  P,  V,  A,  N"  Is that: Noun Noun Verb Noun Preposition Verb Article Noun ?   

And we are all counting down... Our friends are going to be on CNN soon, which is just fantastic!
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Ultron on January 20, 2015, 02:34:51 am
Why do I suddenly feel like I am talking to a chatbot?
(no offence)
I did not understand what you are saying,  sorry.

Yes that is the pattern meaning (I do realise no such sentence exists).  Oh whoops actually the 'A'  stands for adjective.

And I did not understand how your whole reply connects with itself..
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 20, 2015, 09:30:19 am
For the sake of conversation, let's say the website never does anything to pass itself off as the original, clearly stating the chatbot it is hosting is a clone, not to be confused with the original and providing links to the original chatbot website. The chatbot clearly stating itself it is a clone, and when asked, recommends and  provides on demand redirects to the original chatbot site.
A clone is an exact copy of someone or something. Just using the free AIML files I provide would not make a clone of Mitsuku, as it would answer differently (and probably worse). If the chatbot showed Mitsuku in a bad light, I would probably complain.

To be honest though Tom, I would recommend working on your own project. It's far more fun than trying to copy other people.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: Art on January 20, 2015, 10:04:16 am
Squarebear is correct. While is was thoughtful to make a lot of his file Open, I'm sure he was not going to simply "give away" his or Mitsuku's best works or tricks.

It all comes down to what's in a name! There are thousands of possible names one could choose or even make up, yet you decided to use the name of Squarebear's bot as your own bot's name! Ordinarily, this is not done nor acceptable. That would be like me naming my bot ALICE or Skynet-AI or Morti or...you get my drift (I hope). With all the possible choices available to you WHY would you do such a thing and cause such an uproar? This is not how to make friends and this does not put you in good light as a botmaster. Why not Mitzi or Mandi or how about Suzuki or is that name in use?

I personally would like to see this issue put to rest between both parties.

While advertising is good and debates are fun this situation is neither of these.
Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: squarebear on January 20, 2015, 10:22:25 am
As the chatbot element has been removed from Tom's site, I am happy and have no wish to continue this unproductive argument. I still think it is a really low trick to pull from someone who calls me friend and I doubt my trust or respect for Tom will ever be restored but at least there is now no confusion between Tom's work and my own.

Title: Re: Mitsuku Crash
Post by: 8pla.net on February 27, 2015, 03:24:14 am
Japanese anime chatbot from at least 30 years ago

Quote, "In 1984, Kogado developed ... Emmy: The Funny Game, released for the Japanese PC8001 computer. It too mimics human conversation, except there's a visible representation of a girl. The goal is to get her to take her clothes off."

Quote, "Some images further down are not safe for work!"

Reference link: http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2014/02/early-japanese-computer-gaming-emmy-nsfw.html (http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2014/02/early-japanese-computer-gaming-emmy-nsfw.html)

Quote, "The parser and response is incredibly simplistic, compared to even the earliest implementations of Eliza. If you say things she likes, she'll react positively. If you say something she doesn't like or doesn't understand, she'll react negatively. Occasionally she'll take note of the things you say and repeat them back. Sometimes she just sits there and giggles. If you manage to make her happy, eventually her image changes, slowly removing her clothes. If you irritate her, she'll show you the door and dump you at the command line. If you have a printer, you can have it print out a record of your little chat."


Image from Kogado, used for discussion purposes...