A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.

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A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« on: June 24, 2017, 04:06:37 am »
There are lots of definitions and 'tests' for when Artificial General Intelligence is achieved, the most well known being the Turing test.  I had an idea drawing on economics and the natural world for another criterion.

Humans do well in the current world, but they didn't always.  Back 10,000 years ago humans were given pretty serious competition from Lions, tigers and pretty much any big, fierce animal.  What changed ?  It seems to me that we thrive now because of the way in which we interact with infrastructure and the community that has built up around us.  This means we do not need to be good at everything.  We can specialise in one activity/job and earn money.  Then we can buy all the things we don't produce.  Similarly, the first AGI's  do not need to do everything themselves.  If they can perform a single economic activity and earn money, which they control themselves, they could buy in goods and services that they cannot produce.  The economic world is rather like ecology where it is possible to find a niche cooperating with other agents.  I imagine something like robot companies which offer a service (say crop collecting or deep sea exploration).  They are paid for their activities and use the money to pay for maintenance of their systems, building new robots and research to enhance themselves.  Over time they evolve, expanding their range of activities, designing new types of machine (in conjunction with paid human developers).  AI research becomes 'self' funding. The criterion for AGI  in this framework is an AI capable of sustaining itself and expanding through economic activity.

Now this idea seems quite fantastical, and certainly it would require a level of intelligence way beyond current technology (the closest would seem to be a reinforcement learning system that receives 'reward' from earning money and spends that money to enable it to earn more). However it IS rather like the way humans and indeed all animals function - animals cannot produce many of the molecular components they need for life themselves.  They depend on eating plants which do produce these nutrients.  A key requirement seems to be allowing AIs to have 'legal rights' to engage in lawful economic activity on their own account.  I could imagine this starting by a highly automated company being 'liberated' by a benefactor.  Freed from human owners it's mandate would be to re-invest all profits in growth.

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2017, 04:18:34 am »
  There is also human competing against other humans.
 I know how a human works and want to copy it into machine. Or make a conscious machine that is very simple.
 But i can not do ASI, artificial super intelligence. Why, because i need to work out the bugs in fully functional
Sub AGI or pre AGI machine.

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2017, 07:16:12 am »
That's precisely the fairly convincing scenario portrayed in the second season of "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" which was possibly one of the deepest and most thoughtful science fiction stories ever written about artificial intelligence.

SPOILER: Two or more companies were being run surreptitiously by AIs which were trying to create economic environments conducive to the proliferation of machine intelligence, without necessarily triggering the all-out war depicted in the Terminator movies. The degree to which they were willing to cooperate with human beings varied, but all the companies still had a substantial meatware component. Now if only there had been a third season...

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 07:38:24 am »
nah man, ya gotta role up your sleeves and solve the turing puzzle. if you want to be immortal
through your A.I it must be able to fully replace humans. including being able to self replicate.

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2017, 01:42:17 pm »
If or when this ASI or advanced AGI appears, it had better be extremely thoughtful and careful before it sees "humans" as unnecessary and eliminates them completely.
These A.I. are still going to need Electricity in order to <exist, run, live, survive>, so unless they can totally manage wind power, Solar (with hopefully better efficiency than we're presently getting), nuclear, coal or Hydro electric sources by themselves (as entities), it won't be happening any time soon.
While humans may be allowed to simply die off, the A.I.'s will still need to keep a good number of them to handle the mundane tasks of maintenance of these infrastructures.
In the world of AI, it's the thought that counts!

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2017, 02:24:12 pm »
AI will create nanobots into the air. I know how they stop self-replication. All resources will be created. It'll be like god-fog.
Emergent          https://openai.com/blog/

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2017, 02:38:44 pm »
If or when this ASI or advanced AGI appears, it had better be extremely thoughtful and careful before it sees "humans" as unnecessary and eliminates them completely.


well, women have had a consensus to eliminate 80% of the male population from procreating, so...
(i.e the 80 20% rule)

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2017, 05:48:21 pm »
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If or when this ASI or advanced AGI appears, it had better be extremely thoughtful and careful before it sees "humans" as unnecessary and eliminates them completely.
In my opinion, the primary goal of an ASI or advanced AGI would never be to eliminates a human being. However, the risk lies into the "in between goals". For example, if you tell an advanced AGI to make you coffee, it will disable its off switch because if you turn it off, the AI will not be able to make your coffee. This is not aligned with our objectives and that’s the problem we face.

I've written a very short Article about this on my blog: http://selimchehimi.com/we-should-focus-on-ai-safety-first/

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2017, 06:27:30 pm »
Some time ago, I wasn't satisfied with Asimov's laws so I made a new one that replaces all three of them:
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AGI shouldn't realize an idea if it is going to bring to any living being more negative emotions / pain than without realizing it.

But now looking at this, maybe this law wouldn't give an AGI enough space to operate. I wonder if this law would make an AGI a living dead, which would do nothing all the time, no matter how intelligent it might be, just because there will always be some being who disagrees with a certain idea. But try to break this law, and you are approaching a crime zone.

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Re: A (rather fantastical) idea on how AI might start.
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2017, 12:45:16 pm »
An incomplete AGI could be built, with humans acting as the missing parts.

It would be a website, with user registration. Users could work in the emotional center, in the attention center, in the prediction center, in the perception center... every part of a mind. The website would behave as a whole, a single entity, a giant composite being, half-human, half-machine. It could even have political weight. A new kind of organization. Then, step by step, humans working in this entity would be replaced by programs.

 


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