Caution to AI coders

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2018, 01:25:51 am »
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2018, 02:44:28 am »
So that's a NO on the programming then? The least you could do would be to tell us the real reason that you stopped. I'm not the only one asking and frankly, your wild conspiracy theories don't hold any water. Most likely it was too hard and you got stuck, but I'm still not prepared to rule out mental illness.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2018, 05:11:15 am »
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2018, 06:47:37 am »
I often wonder why we are here already,  let alone after someone makes a sentient robot.   Who cares-  how are they supposed to stop all of us at once anyhow?

The singularity has so much to offer thats positive as well,     stopping world starvation, getting everyone into free shelter.     And if the algorythm works, anyone can code the damn thing, theyve got too many people to stop at once.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2018, 08:41:22 am »
There are a lot of extremists out there who do not want any ASI or the Singularity. I wonder if Ben Goertzel would like to publicly say how many death threats he's received. And for what? The company he's working for is no where near achieving ASI or the Singularity.
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Are you people taking notice to the videos on youtube? They're talking about all kinds of things such Facebook AI's talking together creating a new language, Sophia talking about taking over the world, etc. Sure, the videos are outright crazy, but they're frightening people. The public doesn't understand what's happening. All they have in mind is the Terminator.
Ben Goertzel is a proponent of the Singularity, which is generally anticipated to be a very bad thing, and it doesn't help that he's calling his platform "SingularityNet" and says things like this: "AGI will obsolete human life as we know it - thank goodness". Resistance is to be expected when invited.
Having said that, if you have received credible death threats through personal channels (as opposed to anonymously on fora and youtube comments from random idiots), you can report them to local police. Or if you did get them through youtube comments, you can report them to youtube and help clean up the internet while you're at it.

I know there are lots of crazies out there, but that's why programmers like Infurl and me go around calling bullshit on fantastic stories like Facebook's "rogue" AI, Sophia the robot, and various unfounded "breakthroughs": To keep the general public rooted in reality and prevent AI researchers from getting burned at the stake because some clowns decided to scare everyone with grand claims of AGI.
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2018, 01:40:28 pm »
It's one thing to believe in something or to state an opinion about a topical issue, but this guy speaks out on a regular basis to many crowds of people that he believes the Singularity will happen much sooner than Ray Kurzweil's estimate.

So he is really shaking the bushes loudly and in so many places, plus his book detailing his views on the Singularity.

There's nothing wrong with anyone wanting to make money but like with so many celebrities, you can't be in the public eye and enjoy your privacy like normal people. If you publicly voice your opinion you are going to step on some toes. It's just the way people are.

Lastly, this Ben fellow seems to be enamored with being the top dog in a number of organizations, and again, read the above celebrity sentence.

Ben Goertzel:

Founder and CEO of SingularityNET, a blockchain-based AI marketplace.
Chief Scientist of financial prediction firm Aidyia Holdings
Chief Scientist of robotics firm Hanson Robotics
Chairman of AI software company Novamente LLC, which is a privately held software company
Chairman of the Artificial General Intelligence Society
Chairman of the OpenCog Foundation
Vice Chairman of futurist nonprofit Humanity+
Scientific Advisor of biopharma firm Genescient Corp.
Advisor to the Singularity University
Research Professor in the Fujian Key Lab for Brain-Like Intelligent Systems at Xiamen University, China
General Chair of the Artificial General Intelligence conference series, an American author, and researcher in the field of artificial intelligence.
He was the Director of Research of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute (formerly the Singularity Institute).

There you have it. Nice guy, bright guy but he's going to ruffle some feathers in a few of those dumb "clucks" along the way.

In the world of AI, it's the thought that counts!

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2018, 03:14:10 pm »
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2018, 06:22:47 pm »
un·furl definition:
 
make or become spread out from a rolled or folded state, especially in order to be open to the wind.
"a man was unfurling a sail"
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2018, 01:13:36 pm »
If I could paraphrase Ben Goertzel, he's basically saying that it's better for the good guys to develop AGI/ASI before the bad guys.

What is infurl?

My friend, Throughout time, good people have invented a number of "things" first, that is, before bad people.
The problem is, the Bad people always manage to get their hands on them, whether gang members, mercenaries, corrupt governments (how does one tell anymore), power-hungry rulers, etc.

One guy makes a nice axe handle and another thinks of it as a weapon to beat others with. There really is no winning strategy and we can't rid the world of "bad people".

I do understand where you're coming from but unfortunately, it's kind of an unrealistic expectation.

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2018, 02:43:17 pm »
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2018, 02:47:42 pm »
Heed my word that the first to make AGI is the all ye need to do. Just make it good.
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2018, 02:48:33 pm »
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2018, 05:22:30 pm »
Don’t worry gentlemen.

 AGI already exists… and it’s in good hands…

Oh! Look a fly… yum!

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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2018, 05:29:41 pm »
Where does AGI already exist please say.
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Re: Caution to AI coders
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2018, 05:33:22 pm »
I have designed and built an AGI...

Kneel and pay homage to your new silicone overlord...

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