Secret to AGI & ASI

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Secret to AGI & ASI
« on: March 27, 2018, 10:38:54 pm »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2018, 10:58:07 pm »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2018, 11:26:42 pm »
From the beginning, pattern recognition and learning plays important role in intelligence development. But after a while, to show a real intelligence, an individual has to be able to make her own decision, more or less based on learnt facts, but still a kind of original decisions. Am I wrong about this, and is there such a thing as an original decision?

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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2018, 11:40:58 pm »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2018, 12:17:31 am »
There are at least two ways to bring up a true judgement :
  • pure random judgement that needs to be checked after bringing it up. The drawback is that It succeeds rarely, but it is as original as it can be.
  • combining parts of existing true judgements (maybe by genetic programming). It succeeds more often, but is less original.
If these are only two options, and we have to start with an empty database, very first judgements in our knowledge have to be completely random guesses. With Earth life forms, probably some instinct knowledge plays important role, as an instinct could be pre-entered in the database, from where the combining could take off. If it is all about combining then an instinct should be some pretty clever combination, otherwise we would be out of knowledge that can't be described by the instinct upwards.

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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 12:29:24 am »
Sentient life is thinking, which requires learning through tree searching & pattern recognition, both of which require a db.

I think you talk about data typing. A type is a restriction of fully chaotic data down to available forms. Only then we have an ability to enumerate some or all of the available forms (possibly infinite set in a case of recursive reference) one by one, and to check which of those hold in reality.

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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2018, 01:04:21 am »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2018, 01:12:11 am »
If you design the AI as described in the first 2 posts it shouldn't take the AI much time to learn and become AGI.

So what are you waiting for?

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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2018, 01:17:27 am »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2018, 03:20:43 am »
If I may take a position to interject a thought, perhaps your statement provided the logical conclusion to what can be construed as a rather easy-to-accomplish IF/THEN scenario. At least that's the manner in which I viewed it.

Have you attempted such experiments or projects in this vein?

No hostilities directed nor implied, merely looking at it for what it's worth, or how it was worded.



In the world of AI, it's the thought that counts!

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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2018, 04:18:14 am »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2018, 04:28:17 am »
almost a 100% guarantee success for someone I’d call a good thinker so long as they follow the method I’ve outlined.

So what are you waiting for? Why not follow your own method? Oh I get it. You're not a good thinker, by your own admission. That doesn't bode well for your method does it. <ad_hominem_attack>You're an idiot.</ad_hominem_attack>

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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2018, 04:32:30 am »
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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2018, 05:14:09 am »
Another non-NN AGI project worth noting is OpenNARS. They have some interesting demo videos on YouTube.

ivan.moony: What do you mean by "original decisions" and "true judgments"? I think I know, but I want to be sure we're on the same page.


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Re: Secret to AGI & ASI
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