Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI

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Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« on: June 29, 2018, 11:25:45 pm »
So I did go to school for computer science at one point, but I only did a few years.  Never even earned a bachelors.  I don't care about the coding im just having fun making programs.  I am currently working on a bot that writes poetry I have some ideas and wanted to brainstorm somewhere.

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2018, 05:24:29 pm »
Right... I think we got that from your other post.

Fill us in a bit. What is your coding language of choice? Why?

How far along are you in your Digital Poet program?

A little background about yourself would be nice if you'd care to share.

Thanks!
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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2018, 05:36:00 pm »
Ok... here BRAINSTORM activated!!  ;D

Also, apart from the feedback of your machine.  (another word for playback.)
Whats important is how are you going to command this device, to change how it outputs.
I guess you could just change its database for each different type of poetry,  but it might be more exciting if u could involve some extra symantical matching in some kind of input area, so its more like communicating with it, instead of just redefaulting its patterns.

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 08:13:28 am »
There's a yearly poetry generation contest that might interest you:
http://bregman.dartmouth.edu/turingtests/Literary2018
Personal project: NLP -> learning -> knowledge -> logical inference -> A.I.

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 02:23:07 pm »
hmm Another bot!

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 03:54:01 pm »
Private Message Murphy.  SONOVABITCH!!!!

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2018, 05:33:08 pm »
I think pmmurphy may actually not be a bot though. The topics of his titles and posts match up and he did introduce in "New Users Please Post Here", and his posts are 4 minutes apart, rather than the 2 minutes of all the recent bots.
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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2018, 07:32:06 pm »
I agree with Don. We'll see how it pans out with this one.

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2018, 08:00:15 pm »
im kinda interested in AI _ poetry..... there maybe useful facets for Sentence generation... Although what i have seen is mostly probabilistic grammars / Ngrams ... Collection of Phrases...

Although "Rhyming Poetry" with phenoms is potentially useful its practical applications are not... Its useful if you have a collection of lines from "limerick collection" i suppose.... that there was an old man from Nantucket.... who loved to work with his bucket..... ... and poetry is not necessarily supposed to rhyme... but they usually are based upon a theme or concept.... which is useful... Generating sentences based on a Set of themes or Concepts.... It would probably be useful with a "bag of lines from jokes" .... generating some jokes would also maybe have some practical use.....
but is also guess its not mind boggling stuff!
 
 

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2018, 08:09:14 pm »
should train the net to think things that rhyme mean the same thing too.

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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 12:28:14 pm »
should train the net to think things that rhyme mean the same thing too.

It probably can be brute forced with a over-fitter technology such as neural nets...But then also you don't know how it created it! it just went through an over-fitting box...

I would always start with some flowchart! or Object oriented model or Design pattern or just random code algorithm ... to be refined... All such projects are data driven projects.... there is even a Data Project methodology (CRISP / SEMMA /" the list goes on... Neural networks are always the last point of call.... as the say

if you cant program it .... neural net it!....

Right now its a common story..... Lets answer it with a neural network.... "dumb-ing down" the problem even simple addition can be accomplished with a neural network ...... after lots of training.... but for that we have calculator or  use the algorithm >>>> 

  X= X +-1

(by adding minus numbers you actually subtract) Computer can only ADD.....  easy to program >>> easy to train >>> one method logical - Producing calculated results.... Supervised method / one method forcing the argument.... and the answer is probabilistic.....Randomised method...

I know there are so many library's available for N-Nets this makes it easy to brute force most things even AI (if you have data)..... But intelligence is based on logic.... Not over-fitting...

MAYBE


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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 04:42:13 pm »
hmm Another bot!

@spydaz
Seems so.  From what I learned building forumbots, this bot seems limited
to the simpler "new topic" function, and is unable to do the more
complex "reply" function.   

@Don:  Hard to say in only two posts, so I am NOT debating you in this reply. 
( In short, please read this reply post as strictly friendly intentions. )
However both posts are at the top of the thread.  That's a big clue.  Starting a
new thread in terms of bots is much dumber. Replying to an existing thread
is much smarter because the bot has to track the existing topic number, and
other variables such as the post messages, etc. 

Please note that by "dumber" or "smarter" I refer only to forumbot design.
Absolutely, no offense to any human intended whatsoever.

« Last Edit: July 02, 2018, 05:23:31 pm by 8pla.net »
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Re: Hobbyist coder looking to have some fun in AI
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 05:55:26 pm »
hmm Another bot!

@spydaz
Seems so.  From what I learned building forumbots, this bot seems limited
to the simpler "new topic" function, and is unable to do the more
complex "reply" function.   

@Don:  Hard to say in only two posts, so I am NOT debating you in this reply. 
( In short, please read this reply post as strictly friendly intentions. )
However both posts are at the top of the thread.  That's a big clue.  Starting a
new thread in terms of bots is much dumber. Replying to an existing thread
is much smarter because the bot has to track the existing topic number, and
other variables such as the post messages, etc. 

Please note that by "dumber" or "smarter" I refer only to forumbot design.
Absolutely, no offense to any human intended whatsoever.

I think the forum bot Starts a thread then uses the thread as an RSS feed to collect data from the feed; no need for replys....that would imply some slightly higher intelligence bot ... so the aim of the forum bot is to Collect data / information.... probably... perhaps a series of preprepared posts sent to the thread would be a "keep alive" function.... but enough to pass the forumbot test....

 


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