The will to act

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2019, 05:46:57 pm »
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WOM, I think I misunderstood your input about starving topics. You were not suggesting they should be deleted. You were suggesting they should get a chance to be evaluated by the community, right?

Yes, this is a more correct understanding of what I was trying to say, but still not quite there.  I wasn't just suggesting that they get a chance to be evaluated; my comment assumed a well-informed Hive membership who do read and evaluate all the topics.  I was saying that there is a good chance the community will deliberately decide to never act on minority needs/opinions, and that this is a bad thing.

Suppose you have a Hive in which 90% of the participants think that X is important but Y is not.  10% of the participants think that Y really needs to be worked on.  It seems to me that the ideal/fair solution is for the Hive to focus on X about 90% of the time and Y about 10% of the time.  But what is likely to actually happen is that X will get the focus 100% of the time and Y will get it 0% of the time.  If this happens too often, members of the minority faction will start to say "there is nothing in this for us" and leave the Hive.  (This is a general problem with winner-takes-all direct democracy as a way of making decisions; it isn't unique to your architecture.)

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2019, 06:03:23 pm »
So in essence, what can it do for me,

I give you a hint: it can do for you exactly what you're able to do for other people. Think about it.

For example, if you're able to help someone, it means the hive is able to help someone, and that someone could be you.

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2019, 06:06:54 pm »
Ok got it WOM, thanks.
I start working on this.

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2019, 02:58:07 pm »
Done. I found a solution.

Each user has "Push Points".
A user has as many Push Points as there are users in the community (if there are 90 members, each member has 90 Push Points).

For every day of the community's Calendar, a user can allocate Push Points to topics.
A user can choose one out of 2 modes of allocation:
- Daily Mode: all Push Points are allocated to the same topic, 1 point a day.
- Flash Mode: N Push Points are allocated during M days, to 1 topic. The user is then inhibited during N times M days. N times M cannot exceed the number of Push Points of the user.

Small scale test.
The team has 5 members. We're on monday.
4 members want topic A. They're on Daily Mode.
1 member wants topic B. She's on Flash Mode, 5 points on thursday only.
The resulting calendar is:
Tuesday:   A(4) B(0)
Wednesday: A(4) B(0)
Thursday:  A(4) B(5)
Friday:    A(4) B(0)
Saturday:  A(4) B(0)
Sunday:    A(0) B(0)


The community's focus is fairly dispatched: 4 days on topic A, 1 day on topic B.



About evaluating a situation: it would be natural for the Resource Tree to be shown as a Mind Map.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2019, 08:20:47 am by Zero »

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2019, 09:27:58 am »
Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Now I'm implementing it, so the next "done" will be the right one   ::)

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2019, 10:20:14 am »
Hi friends,

I wanted to mention that I'm suspending this implementation because I have other fish to fry. But if someone is interested don't hesitate: tell me and I'll finish the implementation.

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2019, 10:32:59 am »
I'm interested in seeing it, to see if it is useful. I'm always learning.

I suspect the others will try it along with me too. Which seems to be the point of it.
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Re: The will to act
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2019, 12:48:40 pm »
Ok, I'll finish it.
It feels like nobody's gonna use it anyway. Like all those things.

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2019, 04:04:37 pm »
Hi Zero… do the projects that you want to do, not what others want.  It’s meant to be fun… not a chore.

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2019, 04:18:11 pm »
Yes I agree - do what you enjoy. I only do ElfScript because I enjoy the puzzle.

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 05:15:44 pm »
Yes but I like ordering Zero to create new free code, it is very fun. It felt nice to see such responses for once. And although I didn't read into the thread hard, it seems the only way to figure out what the thread was describing - testing is seeing.

:P   Part of that is a joke.

@Zero, if you know its a trashy idea, then obviously don't do it. If it is unique or does something other apps don't do, that is a million dollars.
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Re: The will to act
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2019, 07:31:37 am »
thx

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2019, 08:02:05 am »
Wait a minute...There's hope.

Left to die as an idea, I took another read at version 3 description. Now I get it.

"By the way, how does the name "evoque" sound to an English ear? It's meant to be the name of the platform."
It sounds good. Makes sense with the description. To me it says act, think, evoke. An emerge. If you want to instantly explain the website, another name I can find should do better. Ex. 'Planning Hive".



So your idea is (with some amazing adjustments I believe are better) to have:

- EVERYONE in the said community of people make short "comment idea topics".
- EVERYONE push votes on them. The highest pushed is in focus (top of page).
- EVERYONE must also give a vote on all comments whether it is ready for act mode or think mode. Also let's add to push, act/think, the following:  clear, safe, pleaseUpgrade, ifConnectsToAotherComment(link the url)

I believe a critizing comments should be made by all users for the topics in focus, and have everyone rank those critic comments, so we can refine good but badly presented ideas lower in the stack and kick down good but actually bad comments.

Also, Good comments can have sub comments begin, to deepen the idea, and have their own vote thing going on.

Now I believe it would be interesting to create this website, if done correctly to get good hive plans then yeah.

Comments must be short, clear, with all filler waste removed. Summarize main ideas, refine/translate, repeat.

And most importantly, the website must have sections separated, so we have one stack only for how to build AGI, one stack for if trump should be president, one stack for....you get it.....we need to FOCUS! Personally, it is best to manage 1 stack -  how to make AGI, so we, well, focus!

A key to the stack is to have everyone give different kinds of diverse feedback, so we can push up good ideas, understand them why good or bad or how to refine them, etc.

Let's do it!!!! This is interesting to try!!
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Re: The will to act
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2019, 12:33:54 pm »
fork yourself

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Re: The will to act
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2019, 02:07:33 pm »
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

:3

Don't want to try to cooperate eh...
« Last Edit: July 12, 2019, 02:28:55 pm by LOCKSUIT »
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