AGI jobs? Kindred Systems Inc. => Sanctuary AI

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2019, 08:16:51 am »
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2019, 12:20:57 pm »
That dog :D

Image cave...
https://www.google.ca/search?q=sanctuary+artificial+intelligence&hl=en-CA&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9iMzn4e_jAhVTG80KHcwFD5AQ_AUIESgC&biw=1280&bih=923#imgrc=_

Uh, Google Images, not sure if I like that side box update

Art, wandering their halls? Isn't at least one of your images from the Google Images? Let me recheck.

NOPE...ALL of my posted images were taken while visiting their site in March of this year. The part about "Wandering the halls" was just a playful figure of speech.

Good thinking with the Google connection. Nice assortment of "creations".

I'd still have to wonder how much is real research and development of robots compared to a staged company seeking all sorts of adopters and funding? Sorry, but perhaps I'm just a bit skeptical.
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2019, 01:04:58 pm »
Just found a short interesting article about Suzanne Gildert and the D-Wave, Kindred, Sanctuary transitions. She looks forward to the day when humanoid robots will be like us, having Citizenship and rights. Right!

https://www.bcbusiness.ca/STEM-POWER-Suzanne-Gildert
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2019, 06:02:32 pm »
I didn't know so many ppl wanted to marry a fricken robot, ill stick to a real woman thanks with the beauty on the inside.

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2019, 06:34:02 pm »
My eyes never miss it, they were really trying to make cash.

Step 1, looks promising to naive rich people (this is the fund & fail phase, always works)
Step 2, if fail, hide yourself after presenting yourself to many people. Look yet more mysterious.

Have you seen AI-Da on Ian's thread on this forum? She is in a old fashioned mansion, draws ugly 2D print sketches like old fashioned, and has a old fashioned ugly face, with an old man creator in a uniform or so sitting with her with complex real painters next to her etc. This is to look mysterious to the viewer, and complex. It's all for show!!
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2019, 06:47:28 pm »
Whatever you do,  don't see this guy then start copying his behaviour, their ship is going under its only a matter of time...

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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2019, 12:20:34 am »
Great finds, guys! (Does Art always hold out on us like that?  :))

Below is a link to a list of open jobs at Kindred. If you click on a job you will be presented with a form to send Kindred a notice of your interest in their jobs:

https://www.kindred.ai/careers

I filled it out.

The four people Geordie Rose said in the video to contact regarding Sanctuary if you are a great programmer are:
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Suzanne Gildert, founded Sanctuary
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Paula, key person in Vancouver
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Olivia, key person in Vancouver
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Geordie Rose, speaker in the video

It looks like I was right about Kindred's (and therefore Sanctuary's) emphasis on very visible women:

https://www.kindred.ai/blog/mechanical-design-in-robotics-with-sara-wojciechowski
https://thewomenintechshow.com/

I like Geordie's comment that if nobody is doing what you want somebody to be doing, then do it yourself. I've heard that advice before, regarding choosing a charity that gives money to the people to whom you really want to give money. I suppose that is why many of us here are working on our own architectures.

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2019, 01:46:10 am »
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Great finds, guys! (Does Art always hold out on us like that?  :))

I once noticed this, Art was more than usually knowledgeable suddenly in one previous thread. It's like he gets out his back muscles and starts running 8)
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Re: AGI jobs? Kindred Systems Inc. => Sanctuary AI
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2019, 11:04:39 pm »
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Whatever you do,  don't see this guy then start copying his behaviour, their ship is going under its only a matter of time...

When the ship falls, another rises.
Fund n Fail works because goodness happens by lighting the flame with power. Then they earn energy and distrust and go hide with the created flame - cash, and hate. Then they make a new name and go again. Didn't Andey say kindred became Sanctuary?
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2019, 07:11:18 am »
seXXX bot show,  no shame in these lowly boys i wouldn't call men.

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Re: AGI jobs? Kindred Systems Inc. => Sanctuary AI
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2019, 01:06:50 pm »
Lock,

Suzanne and her some of her followers first came from D-Wave, then Kindred then Sanctuary.
(just for the record).

I'm sure there were reasons behind the various moves.

One of the biggest ripoffs was from Cynthia Breazeal former roboticist from MIT. She raised roughly $3.5 million in less than 2 years in Funding dollars for a stationary (non-mobile) semi-animated device less than 18" tall and billed as a Digital Assistant. They sold the wonders of what this thing could do and how it would enrich the lives of whoever owned it!
The really sad thing is: "Social robot company Jibo is sadly running on fumes after burning through nearly $73 million in funding."

I remember that originally, it was estimated to cost consumers around $500.00 USD.
Founded in 2012, the Funding campaign ended in 2014 and it didn't start consumer shipments until 2017. Oh yes, the price tag in September of 2017 was $899.00!! A nearly $400.00 increase!

They also changed their mind about offering International orders, limiting to only Canada and the USA.

Read the entire article here: https://www.therobotreport.com/jibo-social-robot-analyzing-what-went-wrong/
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2019, 01:42:37 pm »
There was a positive crowd of mildly dissatisfied robot purchasers there saying what was on their minds.    I don't think the time is quite now for the really good products to come out,  just a bit more time needed for ideas to spread amongst developers I think.    Video games aren't cutting it anymore, we need something more exciting.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2019, 11:00:27 pm »
Read the entire article here: https://www.therobotreport.com/jibo-social-robot-analyzing-what-went-wrong/

It's so sad for me to read an article like that, especially this excerpt:

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Unfortunately, the technology Jibo requires to be compelling at an affordable price isn’t ready. The company underestimated the its competition and what it would take to get the product off the ground.

I wonder what the *unaffordable* price would be, especially whether they could make the thing function as advertised at *any* price. The whole situation reminds me of the failure of self-driving cars, chatbots, or Windows' speech recognition system (WSR) (http://www.knowbrainer.com/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=4&STARTPAGE=1&threadid=33462):

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Windows Speech Recognition (WSR) is now considered to be a circa 2006 speech recognition failure. Microsoft gave up on WSR even before Windows Vista was released.

Come on, folks, let me say it again: The technology is not there yet. Such problems in vision, speech, and natural language understanding are called "AI-hard" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-complete) because nobody knows how to solve them. Such problems rely on fundamentals that we simply haven't discovered yet, or as the Wikipedia page says:

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In the field of artificial intelligence, the most difficult problems are informally known as AI-complete or AI-hard, implying that the difficulty of these computational problems, assuming intelligence is computational, is equivalent to that of solving the central artificial intelligence problem—making computers as intelligent as people, or strong AI.

There you have it: Either we figure out strong AI, or else we'll just be spinning our wheels, ripping off naive investors with new buzzwords every few years, for another 60 years. The field is mostly going nowhere nowadays; a fundamental breakthrough is badly needed. It's painful for me to see startup companies being born just to capitalize on some tiny tweak in software that some unenlightened employee dreamed up: people are so focused on money, or maybe just so lazy or so badly educated, that they won't seriously tackle the fundamental problem of AI. Does nobody have the creativity to solve the basic problem, which may equate to a single insight? I'm so dismayed by it all. I blame the situation mostly on people's personal values + a horrible educational system that promotes regurgitation of what has already been learned rather than questioning fundamental assumptions and being creative.

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Michio Kaku Warning on the Decline of Science in America and Western Civilization
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Published on Oct 11, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54GLw0rtZE

(p. 163)
   But again, perhaps the fear of boosting intelligence has been exagger-
ated. The average person has absolutely no interest in being able to solve the
complex tensor equations for a black hole. The average person sees noth-
ing to gain my mastering the mathematics of hyperspatial dimensions or the
physics of the quantum theory. On the contrary, the average person may
find such activities rather boring and useless. So most of us are not going to
become mathematical geniuses if given the opportunity, because it is not in
our character, and we see nothing to gain from it.
   Keep in mind that society already has a class of accomplished mathema-
ticians and physicists, and they are paid significantly less than ordinary busi-
nessmen and wield much less power than average politicians.
Being super
smart does not guarantee financial success in life. In fact, being super smart
may actually pigeonhole you in the lower rungs of a society that values ath-
letes, movie stars, comedians, and entertainers more.

   No one ever got rich doing relativity.

Kaku, Michio. 2014. The Future of the Mind: The Scientific Quest to Understand, Enhance, and Empower the Mind. New York: Doubleday.

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2019, 05:54:58 am »
Computer vision and Computer hearing is finished right tho right?

Theres plenty on the internet about it,  Hinton is probably positive about it too,   Its always the negatives about the technology that people seem to fixate apon instead of the fact that yeh,  the computer can respond with verbs and especially nouns with 99% accuracy, yes, its not ALWAYS trustworthy but most of the time it does work fine, and we should move on from it!

Next stop making decisions from it, and if it has a body, procedural animation.   Sorted, that might be good enough!   But... err..  am I sounding like a crazy scammer myself now?  :)


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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2019, 02:34:09 pm »
A couple of takeaways from the Jibo fiasco might be,

Don't make promises you can't keep.
Don't go blindly into a project armed with just enthusiasm.
DO your Research (developers, financing, materials, manufacturers, distributors, sales, etc.) before posting your potential product.
Don't procrastinate while the rest of the world is still developing technology that will likely pass and surpass your attempts.
(the Amazon Alexa and Google Now/Home could already do more than Jibo).
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